April 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Tomi Neste

Right, got it loading just fine with the 1.4. The TTRendering demo is having some problems with initializing the GL context but that's probably a driver issue, I'll have to try something simpler. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 16 April 2012 17:58, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: >> I thought I read it was 1.4 only?? >> >> > > yes, the NativeBoost version past 1.0.9 (IIRC) are no longer supports Pharo 1.3. > This is because of fixes/improvements to primitive simulation code done in 1.4. > > actually you can ignore this error and continue loading the package, > but you won't be able to debug the methods with nativeboost primitive, > because it requires special treatment. > as for the rest it should work fine even on 1.3. > > >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Tomi Neste [tomi.neste(a)gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:54 AM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk >> >> Is it supposed to work with the 1.3 one click package? >> >> I tried it with 1.3 on Ubuntu 10.04, copied over the Unix CogNB files, >> and while loading NativeBoost-Core-IgorStasenko.56 I get a >> "ContextPart doesNotUnderstand: #simulatePrimitive:module:with:". >> >> >> -- >> tomppa >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- tomppa

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Domain pharo.org

by Mark Smith

:) much nicer! Good work. On 16 Apr 2012, at 16:20, Marcus Denker wrote: > ... we do have the domain pharo.org now (configured to forward to pharo-project.org) > > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Mark Smith

I'd second (or third ;)) making this a system-level preference. On 16 Apr 2012, at 12:12, Edgar J. De Cleene wrote: > > > > On 4/16/12 7:45 AM, "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> You can get the halos but not all the time in your face. >> Click + shift + option on mac bring the halos. >> We do value direct manipulation but only when we want it, not all the time >> Stef > > > Mmmm. > > Yes, you select some submorph, not the root one. > And a preference could do the trick... > > In others forks you click middle button morph and manipulate Debug, Browser, > Workspace. > One click and duplicate and you have two Debug windows and could go several > steps back in one and see where you start in the other. > > Show this to game developers !!! > > > Very thanks !! > > Edgar > > >

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Domain pharo.org

by Esteban Lorenzano

finally! great! On Apr 16, 2012, at 5:20 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > ... we do have the domain pharo.org now (configured to forward to pharo-project.org) > > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Igor Stasenko

On 16 April 2012 17:58, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > I thought I read it was 1.4 only?? > > yes, the NativeBoost version past 1.0.9 (IIRC) are no longer supports Pharo 1.3. This is because of fixes/improvements to primitive simulation code done in 1.4. actually you can ignore this error and continue loading the package, but you won't be able to debug the methods with nativeboost primitive, because it requires special treatment. as for the rest it should work fine even on 1.3. > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Tomi Neste [tomi.neste(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:54 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk > > Is it supposed to work with the 1.3 one click package? > > I tried it with 1.3 on Ubuntu 10.04, copied over the Unix CogNB files, > and while loading NativeBoost-Core-IgorStasenko.56 I get a > "ContextPart doesNotUnderstand: #simulatePrimitive:module:with:". > > > -- > tomppa > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I thought I read it was 1.4 only?? ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Tomi Neste [tomi.neste(a)gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 11:54 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk Is it supposed to work with the 1.3 one click package? I tried it with 1.3 on Ubuntu 10.04, copied over the Unix CogNB files, and while loading NativeBoost-Core-IgorStasenko.56 I get a "ContextPart doesNotUnderstand: #simulatePrimitive:module:with:". -- tomppa

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Tomi Neste

Is it supposed to work with the 1.3 one click package? I tried it with 1.3 on Ubuntu 10.04, copied over the Unix CogNB files, and while loading NativeBoost-Core-IgorStasenko.56 I get a "ContextPart doesNotUnderstand: #simulatePrimitive:module:with:". -- tomppa

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Trello board for 1.4 items...

by Mark Smith

Very cool :). That makes it easier to see what's going on. On 16 Apr 2012, at 13:32, Marcus Denker wrote: > ... we are experimenting using Trello for coordinating the last stuff needed > to be done for 1.4: > > https://trello.com/board/pharo-1-4/4f8561e7aba027145b7f8ed0 > > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

On Ubuntu Lucid, it blows up in #forCurrentPlatform - can't find a suitable implementation. ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Javier PimÃ¡s [elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 10:29 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net post asking about Smalltalk Thank's to igor's debugging help it works in linux too. Gofer new squeaksource: 'NBOpenGL'; package: 'ConfigurationOfNBOpenGL'; load. (ConfigurationOfNBOpenGL project version: '1.0.3') load. (notice the 1.0.3 instead of 1.0.2) Please test that it works. There may be some random crashes, be careful and save your image before testing. You can test doing GLTTRenderingDemo new openInWorld. just be sure to have Tahoma and save your image. There's room for improvement in context creation waiting for anybody with some free time. cheers! On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com<mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>> wrote: On 15 April 2012 16:50, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: > Sig, > > Not intending to give you a hard time, but I went to the page, saw a -X package, and started to wonder if that might be linux support. But FWIW, I can't load any of it. The instructions failed, so I tried #load, and each variant gives some kine of DNU error. Maybe I have an inconsistent set of code loaded?? this is for X server. which usually runs on linux(es). Javier is working on that. There are couple bugs left, but we already have an updated configuration, but its not yet on public repository. @Javier, can you upload a new config of NBOpenGL to the squeaksource? > > In the grander view, Metacello continues to be (IMHO) a bottomless well of ever-changing load instructions. Either we need a reliable on-line grid (for Pharo x.x.x load this way...), or perhaps the configurations should carry (and automatically use) this type of information. I know it's not easy, but if we are trying to attract new users, this type of complexity is not going to help our cause. > yes, we need to invent some conventions. Because different developers using different names and different labels for configuration versions. for instance, i avoid labeling versions as #stable , most of them are #development.. for this reason, #lastVersion, #latestVersion loads either outdated stuff, or even worse, a baseline.. > Bill > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of Igor Stasenko [siguctua(a)gmail.com<mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>] > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 10:12 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] gamedev.net<http://gamedev.net> post asking about Smalltalk > > On 15 April 2012 14:46, askoh <askoh(a)askoh.com<mailto:askoh@askoh.com>> wrote: >> Some is interested in using Smalltalk for prototyping of games. >> http://www.gamedev.net/topic/623380-game-programming-in-smalltalk/ >> >> I think we should respond very constructively on gamedev.net<http://gamedev.net> to entice >> gamers to try Smalltalk. Programmers are coming to appreciate dynamic >> languages and we can capitalize on that. >> > > can you respond (i'm not registered there), that we have NBOpenGL > :) > http://www.squeaksource.com/NBOpenGL.html > > as guy want, a low-level binding. > > there's even some videos made by Lawson English running the demo. > >> Go Smalltalk, >> Aik-Siong Koh >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/gamedev-net-post-asking-about-Smalltalk-tp4559039p455… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko. -- Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s Ciudad de Buenos Aires

April 16, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Stupid question about Fuel

by Ben Coman

Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > Edgar J. De Cleene-3 wrote > >> Yes, you select some submorph, not the root one. >> And a preference could do the trick... >> >> > > A hack to bring back Squeak halo behavior can be found here: > http://forum.world.st/How-turn-on-Halo-s-td2227309.html#a4196786 > > I too prefer the original Squeak behavior. As you indicate, it is not just > the shortcut that changed, but a feature was removed. There used to be a way > to cycle through submorphs in either direction, but now only (in my > experience) the less useful direction is available. > > I would be happy to turn the above mentioned hack into a setting so we can > all get what we want. I didn't do it earlier because it seemed like a > slightly contentious issue and I didn't know if it would be integrated. > > Steph, would you be happy integrating such a feature? If so, I can have it > ready quickly and bring back needed (at least for Edgar and I) > functionality, turned off by default, so there would be no difference felt > for those that don't want it... > > Cheers, > Sean > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Stupid-question-about-Fuel-tp4558930p4561467.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > The additional longer term answer might be to have PharoGames as a customised distribution based on Pharo. As I understand it from observing discussion here, being a base platform for numerous "distributions" is a vision of Pharo. I think Moose qualifies as the first such distribution. cheers -ben

April 16, 2012