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Re: [Pharo-project] Enjoyed the reading..

by Igor Stasenko

On 10 March 2012 00:33, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> According to this guy, we're using 3rd most powful programming >> language (or, well one of 4.. to not insult anyone ;). >> >> http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html >> >> So, we're not that bad, eh? :) > > > I like what he says about patterns: > > "If you try to solve a hard problem, the question is not whether you will > use a powerful enough language, but whether you will (a) use a powerful > language, (b) write a de facto interpreter for one, or (c) yourself become a > human compiler for one. We see this already begining to happen in the Python > example, where we are in effect simulating the code that a compiler would > generate to implement a lexical variable. > > This practice is not only common, but institutionalized. For example, in the > OO world you hear a good deal about "patterns". I wonder if these patterns > are not sometimes evidence of case (c), the human compiler, at work. When I > see patterns in my programs, I consider it a sign of trouble. The shape of a > program should reflect only the problem it needs to solve. Any other > regularity in the code is a sign, to me at least, that I'm using > abstractions that aren't powerful enough-- often that I'm generating by hand > the expansions of some macro that I need to write." > Yeah.. in re: he says: I was actually surprised at how badly Python did. I had never realized, for example, that a Python lambda-expression couldn't contain the same things as a named function, or that variables from enclosing scopes are visible but not modifiable. Neither Lisp nor Perl nor Smalltalk nor Javascript impose either restriction. I can't see what advantage either restriction brings you. I can see how Python's gradual, ongoing (= incomplete) evolution would have produced them. So Occam's Razor implies that the latter is the reason Python is this way. I.e. these restrictions are bugs, not features. >> >> >> A very good explanation to 'pointy-haired' why 'mainstream' language >> are not best choice.. >> as well as good illustration that in order to compete and stay >> popular, all mainstream languages >> will slowly converge to lisp. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > > > > -- > best, > Eliot > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] GSoC application submitted, 22 ideas collected

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Hi Lawson, I know from an experienced Java programmer, trying to make a binding to R, which is difficult to deal with particularities of connecting with R efficently (I could ask him for details if a student is interested in the project). I think R isn't comparable to what iGraph could provide, every day more studies results are presented in R and they are not necessarily described in network format. A front-end to R could be another interesting project idea though. Cheers, HernÃ¡n 2012/3/9 Lawson English <lenglish5(a)cox.net> > A binding to R would be relatively trivial, I think. A binding to iGraph > would be a bit more challenging and would allow for things like using > Connectors to directly create/define iGraph data structures and use > iGraph's API to modify their behavior. > > Lawson > > > On 3/9/12 6:07 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > > Name: A binding to R > Level: Advanced > Possible mentor: ? > Possible second mentor: ? > > Description > > With the increased popularity of high-level statistical programming > language and environments for data analysis like R, a way to interface this > package is becoming a must have for Smalltalk, since it implements complex > and unrivalled statistical techniques for data manipulation and > presentation, like Analysis of Variance, Covariance, Time Series, > Generalized Linear Models, Additive Models, Non-linear Regressions, Tree > Models, Multivariate Statistics, etc. besides the many mathematical > functions, which are used in fields from economics to medicine and > engineering. It is estimated that R posseses about 2 million of users > worldwide and more than 2000 add-ons and increasing everyday through > repositories like CRAN and Crantastic.org > > Technical Details > > The student should know or be motivated to learn statistics with the R > environment and language, and its fundamental workflow: importing and > preparing the data, and finally running the analysis, and presenting the > results. Dealing with R sessions and presentation of results (like vectors > and plots) will be challenging too. > > Benefits to the Student > > The student will gain invaluable experience from two complementary > environments, and his experience with the interface technology choosed will > be useful for the many projects where Smalltalk needs help from external > systems. > > Benefits to the Community > > The goal of this project is to build a wrapper to interface R, an open > source statistical programming language, providing a whole range of missing > functionality to Smalltalk. This binding could complement the R environment > where a general programming environment is needed, attracting many > statisticians, and will open Smalltalk to domain-specific areas as diverse > as Clinical Trials, Finance and Machine Learning. > > 2012/3/9 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > >> Dear Smalltalkers, >> >> We just submitted the application to this year GSoC, now let we wait >> with fingers crossed for Google until next Friday to decide. I think we >> have quite some chance, specially because we collected and very well >> described 22 project ideas: >> >> http://gsoc2012.esug.org/ideas >> >> There is still a time for ideas, so if someone has still half finished >> one, please finish and publish it. Also authors of ideas please check if >> your idea is put correctly on above page. >> >> Best regards >> Janko and Carla >> >> -- >> Carla F. Griggio, Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> http://gsoc2012.esug.org >> >> > > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Information Technology Manager, > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > > >

March 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] GSoC application submitted, 22 ideas collected

by Lawson English

I guess using Connectors to provide a GUI on top of an R binding would be more impressive to most R users, but its nowhere near as difficult as doing it in Python or Ruby (been contemplating how to do it for about a 6 months now -just haven't actually coded anything). http://web.kuicr.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~alexg/rsruby/manual.pdf L. On 3/9/12 7:09 PM, Lawson English wrote: > A binding to R would be relatively trivial, I think. A binding to > iGraph would be a bit more challenging and would allow for things like > using Connectors to directly create/define iGraph data structures and > use iGraph's API to modify their behavior. > > Lawson > > On 3/9/12 6:07 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: >> Name: A binding to R >> Level: Advanced >> Possible mentor: ? >> Possible second mentor: ? >> >> Description >> >> With the increased popularity of high-level statistical programming >> language and environments for data analysis like R, a way to >> interface this package is becoming a must have for Smalltalk, since >> it implements complex and unrivalled statistical techniques for data >> manipulation and presentation, like Analysis of Variance, Covariance, >> Time Series, Generalized Linear Models, Additive Models, Non-linear >> Regressions, Tree Models, Multivariate Statistics, etc. besides the >> many mathematical functions, which are used in fields from economics >> to medicine and engineering. It is estimated that R posseses about 2 >> million of users worldwide and more than 2000 add-ons and increasing >> everyday through repositories like CRAN and Crantastic.org >> >> Technical Details >> >> The student should know or be motivated to learn statistics with the >> R environment and language, and its fundamental workflow: importing >> and preparing the data, and finally running the analysis, and >> presenting the results. Dealing with R sessions and presentation of >> results (like vectors and plots) will be challenging too. >> >> Benefits to the Student >> >> The student will gain invaluable experience from two complementary >> environments, and his experience with the interface technology >> choosed will be useful for the many projects where Smalltalk needs >> help from external systems. >> >> Benefits to the Community >> >> The goal of this project is to build a wrapper to interface R, an >> open source statistical programming language, providing a whole range >> of missing functionality to Smalltalk. This binding could complement >> the R environment where a general programming environment is needed, >> attracting many statisticians, and will open Smalltalk to >> domain-specific areas as diverse as Clinical Trials, Finance and >> Machine Learning. >> >> 2012/3/9 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si >> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> >> >> Dear Smalltalkers, >> >> We just submitted the application to this year GSoC, now let we wait >> with fingers crossed for Google until next Friday to decide. I >> think we >> have quite some chance, specially because we collected and very well >> described 22 project ideas: >> >> http://gsoc2012.esug.org/ideas >> >> There is still a time for ideas, so if someone has still half >> finished >> one, please finish and publish it. Also authors of ideas please >> check if >> your idea is put correctly on above page. >> >> Best regards >> Janko and Carla >> >> -- >> Carla F. Griggio, Janko MivÅ¡ek >> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >> http://gsoc2012.esug.org >> >> >> >> >> -- >> HernÃ¡n Morales >> Information Technology Manager, >> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. >> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). >> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. >> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. >> Internal: 422 >> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >> >

March 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] GSoC application submitted, 22 ideas collected

by Lawson English

A binding to R would be relatively trivial, I think. A binding to iGraph would be a bit more challenging and would allow for things like using Connectors to directly create/define iGraph data structures and use iGraph's API to modify their behavior. Lawson On 3/9/12 6:07 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand wrote: > Name: A binding to R > Level: Advanced > Possible mentor: ? > Possible second mentor: ? > > Description > > With the increased popularity of high-level statistical programming > language and environments for data analysis like R, a way to interface > this package is becoming a must have for Smalltalk, since it > implements complex and unrivalled statistical techniques for data > manipulation and presentation, like Analysis of Variance, Covariance, > Time Series, Generalized Linear Models, Additive Models, Non-linear > Regressions, Tree Models, Multivariate Statistics, etc. besides the > many mathematical functions, which are used in fields from economics > to medicine and engineering. It is estimated that R posseses about 2 > million of users worldwide and more than 2000 add-ons and increasing > everyday through repositories like CRAN and Crantastic.org > > Technical Details > > The student should know or be motivated to learn statistics with the R > environment and language, and its fundamental workflow: importing and > preparing the data, and finally running the analysis, and presenting > the results. Dealing with R sessions and presentation of results (like > vectors and plots) will be challenging too. > > Benefits to the Student > > The student will gain invaluable experience from two complementary > environments, and his experience with the interface technology choosed > will be useful for the many projects where Smalltalk needs help from > external systems. > > Benefits to the Community > > The goal of this project is to build a wrapper to interface R, an open > source statistical programming language, providing a whole range of > missing functionality to Smalltalk. This binding could complement the > R environment where a general programming environment is needed, > attracting many statisticians, and will open Smalltalk to > domain-specific areas as diverse as Clinical Trials, Finance and > Machine Learning. > > 2012/3/9 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> > > Dear Smalltalkers, > > We just submitted the application to this year GSoC, now let we wait > with fingers crossed for Google until next Friday to decide. I > think we > have quite some chance, specially because we collected and very well > described 22 project ideas: > > http://gsoc2012.esug.org/ideas > > There is still a time for ideas, so if someone has still half finished > one, please finish and publish it. Also authors of ideas please > check if > your idea is put correctly on above page. > > Best regards > Janko and Carla > > -- > Carla F. Griggio, Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > http://gsoc2012.esug.org > > > > > -- > HernÃ¡n Morales > Information Technology Manager, > Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > Internal: 422 > Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. >

March 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] GSoC application submitted, 22 ideas collected

by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand

Name: A binding to R Level: Advanced Possible mentor: ? Possible second mentor: ? Description With the increased popularity of high-level statistical programming language and environments for data analysis like R, a way to interface this package is becoming a must have for Smalltalk, since it implements complex and unrivalled statistical techniques for data manipulation and presentation, like Analysis of Variance, Covariance, Time Series, Generalized Linear Models, Additive Models, Non-linear Regressions, Tree Models, Multivariate Statistics, etc. besides the many mathematical functions, which are used in fields from economics to medicine and engineering. It is estimated that R posseses about 2 million of users worldwide and more than 2000 add-ons and increasing everyday through repositories like CRAN and Crantastic.org Technical Details The student should know or be motivated to learn statistics with the R environment and language, and its fundamental workflow: importing and preparing the data, and finally running the analysis, and presenting the results. Dealing with R sessions and presentation of results (like vectors and plots) will be challenging too. Benefits to the Student The student will gain invaluable experience from two complementary environments, and his experience with the interface technology choosed will be useful for the many projects where Smalltalk needs help from external systems. Benefits to the Community The goal of this project is to build a wrapper to interface R, an open source statistical programming language, providing a whole range of missing functionality to Smalltalk. This binding could complement the R environment where a general programming environment is needed, attracting many statisticians, and will open Smalltalk to domain-specific areas as diverse as Clinical Trials, Finance and Machine Learning. 2012/3/9 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > Dear Smalltalkers, > > We just submitted the application to this year GSoC, now let we wait > with fingers crossed for Google until next Friday to decide. I think we > have quite some chance, specially because we collected and very well > described 22 project ideas: > > http://gsoc2012.esug.org/ideas > > There is still a time for ideas, so if someone has still half finished > one, please finish and publish it. Also authors of ideas please check if > your idea is put correctly on above page. > > Best regards > Janko and Carla > > -- > Carla F. Griggio, Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > http://gsoc2012.esug.org > > -- HernÃ¡n Morales Information Technology Manager, Institute of Veterinary Genetics. National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. Internal: 422 Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799.

March 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Enjoyed the reading..

by Eliot Miranda

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > According to this guy, we're using 3rd most powful programming > language (or, well one of 4.. to not insult anyone ;). > > http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html > > So, we're not that bad, eh? :) > I like what he says about patterns: "If you try to solve a hard problem, the question is not whether you will use a powerful enough language, but whether you will (a) use a powerful language, (b) write a de facto interpreter for one, or (c) yourself become a human compiler for one. We see this already begining to happen in the Python example, where we are in effect simulating the code that a compiler would generate to implement a lexical variable. This practice is not only common, but institutionalized. For example, in the OO world you hear a good deal about "patterns". I wonder if these patterns are not sometimes evidence of case (c), the human compiler, at work. When I see patterns in my programs, I consider it a sign of trouble. The shape of a program should reflect only the problem it needs to solve. Any other regularity in the code is a sign, to me at least, that I'm using abstractions that aren't powerful enough-- often that I'm generating by hand the expansions of some macro that I need to write." > > A very good explanation to 'pointy-haired' why 'mainstream' language > are not best choice.. > as well as good illustration that in order to compete and stay > popular, all mainstream languages > will slowly converge to lisp. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > -- best, Eliot

March 9, 2012

[Pharo-project] GSoC application submitted, 22 ideas collected

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Dear Smalltalkers, We just submitted the application to this year GSoC, now let we wait with fingers crossed for Google until next Friday to decide. I think we have quite some chance, specially because we collected and very well described 22 project ideas: http://gsoc2012.esug.org/ideas There is still a time for ideas, so if someone has still half finished one, please finish and publish it. Also authors of ideas please check if your idea is put correctly on above page. Best regards Janko and Carla -- Carla F. Griggio, Janko MivÅ¡ek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team http://gsoc2012.esug.org

March 9, 2012

[Pharo-project] Enjoyed the reading..

by Igor Stasenko

According to this guy, we're using 3rd most powful programming language (or, well one of 4.. to not insult anyone ;). http://www.paulgraham.com/icad.html So, we're not that bad, eh? :) A very good explanation to 'pointy-haired' why 'mainstream' language are not best choice.. as well as good illustration that in order to compete and stay popular, all mainstream languages will slowly converge to lisp. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 9, 2012

[Pharo-project] uMorphic job

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, I created a Jenkins job for uMorphic too (together with a little update. https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo-Kernel/job/Pharo%20Kernel%20uMor… Cheers, -- Pavel

March 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] more Nautilus feed back

by Benjamin

On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 9 March 2012 13:27, Helene Bilbo <thereluctantprogrammer(a)fastmail.fm> wrote: >> >> Igor Stasenko wrote >>> >>> so then go finish arts and design schools (min 5 years each). and only >>> then you may get back and continue working on nautilus! Hurry up. :) >>> >>> I can also easily tell what i don't like in Nautilus. Much harder is >>> to propose alternative. >>> >> So after finishing art school i propose a better UI in the attached drawing. >> It gets rid of all Toggle-Buttons except one for the comments: >> >> http://forum.world.st/file/n4459175/nautilusui.jpg >> > > Breadcrumbs!, I want breadcrumbsss!! Something like that: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24369478/Breadcrumbs.mov :) Took 20 minutes ;) Ben > And search bar. And back/forward buttons. > And other custom stuff which others can put at toolbar via plugin mechanism. > >> Good Luck with the exams, Helene. >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/more-Nautilus-feed-back-tp4457416p4459175.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 9, 2012