March 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] No red on Jenkins!

by Martin Sandiford

Looks good --- I'm not sure the Cog-Win32 build is packaging its artifacts correctly. In Cog.zip from https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/Cog-Win32/18/ I get the following: Archive: Cog.zip Length Method Size Ratio Date Time CRC-32 Name -------- ------ ------- ----- ---- ---- ------ ---- 51270 Defl:N 4038 92% 03-09-12 01:07 e8206345 libCogVM.dll.a -------- ------- --- ------- 51270 4038 92% 1 file Cheers, Martin On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > All green and yellow! > > Â Â Â Â https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/ > > Now the next goal is to make the yellow ones green. This is especially important for the VM related tests. > ("is this vm good?") > > e.g. > > Â Â Â Â https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM-dev/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa%20Tests/ > > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

March 12, 2012

[Pharo-project] No red on Jenkins!

by Marcus Denker

All green and yellow! https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/ Now the next goal is to make the yellow ones green. This is especially important for the VM related tests. ("is this vm good?") e.g. https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM-dev/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa%20Tests/ -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Smalltalk Dev + Runtime IDE..

by S Krish

* I do not have currently taskbar for open windows/ tasks for OS related processes. One of the todo items for future..easy picking actually, for now kind of live with the ubuntu sidebar to account for it.. * The code is ok in pieces, I have published two packages in SS: Dirty Experiments relating the Tree Browser + Pharo MorphicView and will also release the Tabbed Pane part * The PharoTablet code is not clean to be shared, it needs a good sweep over to make it free from hacks, just in time fixes I have done over many places, when I was just rudimentary in my understanding of Morphic.. But can, if others feel they are ok about dirty code..! :) Else I rather wait till I know I can somewhat defend what I release.. and the benefit thereof is a clean base others can contribute to/ use as is.. rather than struggle with not so good a base. On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Very impressive! Thanx for sharing. > > Some questions: > - You do not have a customized taskbar to show the open windows/tasks, you > only use pharo taskbar (displayed when IDE is invoked). Am I right? > - Can we have a look at the code? Is some part of the UI reusable? > > tx > usman > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:10 AM, S Krish < > krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Pharo Media player is a one hour quick fix, simple morphic UI that >> invokes mplayer / mpg123 via CommandShell. >> >> Little cleaner, fancier you can mimic a Windows Media Player with >> graphics et al.. certainly make it better than Banshee.. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM, S Krish < >> krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Everything is Pharo end to end... all panels, icons included >>> >>> Just that for several programs it invokes the CommandShell to the >>> application in OS. >>> >>> The intent is drive it on top of say Tiny Core Linux or a stripped >>> Ubuntu and let Pharo be the IDE.. >>> >>> I am sure my kid enjoys this more than the standard Windows / Linux IDE. >>> For beginners it is a way of saying development is fun and fusion of >>> runtime and development >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks for sharing that with us. >>>> I like the way of displaying methods :). >>>> This is good to see other experiences, now are the large icons also in >>>> pharo. >>>> I mean do I understand correctly that you have a pharo media player :). >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:37 PM, S Krish wrote: >>>> >>>> > album >>>> > >>>> > https://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE >>>> > >>>> > Raw Preview of Pharo as a Dev and Runtime IDE: perhaps for the OS >>>> too..! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Increase populatity of Pharo by doing some Killer-OpenSource-Tools

by S Krish

I would say publish an environment like iPad/ Android totally out of Pharo and let there be a marketplace for all apps any developer in Pharo can create in 3 days - 90 days and publish it in a Pharo Marketplace that has a commercial interest attached or make it open source/ free thereof. See: http://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE Once you can grow a profit center out of this environment, all this popularity et als will flow On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:15 PM, Stefan Krecher < stefan.krecher(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Am 11. MÃ¤rz 2012 12:08 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > >: > >> But let me dream: > >> If pharo was organized as a scrum-project and if i was the product > >> owner, i would suspend the current pharo development and instruct the > >> team to work the complete next sprint (e.g. 4 weeks) on an > >> OpenSource-Project for some general use. > > > > like the compiler, like integration server, like building VM, like > creating the next generation UI. > > You see we are doing that. Now we only have one engineer and he is quite > busy. > > All the rest of the team is not payed to develop Pharo but to teach, > publish papers and ideas. > > the things you mentioned are very usefull - no doubt. > But are these projects arguments for trying out pharo or for using it > on the next project for a customer? > > regards, > Stefan > >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Smalltalk Dev + Runtime IDE..

by Usman Bhatti

Very impressive! Thanx for sharing. Some questions: - You do not have a customized taskbar to show the open windows/tasks, you only use pharo taskbar (displayed when IDE is invoked). Am I right? - Can we have a look at the code? Is some part of the UI reusable? tx usman On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:10 AM, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Pharo Media player is a one hour quick fix, simple morphic UI that invokes > mplayer / mpg123 via CommandShell. > > Little cleaner, fancier you can mimic a Windows Media Player with graphics > et al.. certainly make it better than Banshee.. > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM, S Krish < > krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Everything is Pharo end to end... all panels, icons included >> >> Just that for several programs it invokes the CommandShell to the >> application in OS. >> >> The intent is drive it on top of say Tiny Core Linux or a stripped Ubuntu >> and let Pharo be the IDE.. >> >> I am sure my kid enjoys this more than the standard Windows / Linux IDE. >> For beginners it is a way of saying development is fun and fusion of >> runtime and development >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> Thanks for sharing that with us. >>> I like the way of displaying methods :). >>> This is good to see other experiences, now are the large icons also in >>> pharo. >>> I mean do I understand correctly that you have a pharo media player :). >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:37 PM, S Krish wrote: >>> >>> > album >>> > >>> > https://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE >>> > >>> > Raw Preview of Pharo as a Dev and Runtime IDE: perhaps for the OS >>> too..! >>> >>> >>> >> >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Increase populatity of Pharo by doing some Killer-OpenSource-Tools

by Stefan Krecher

Hi, Am 11. MÃ¤rz 2012 12:08 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> But let me dream: >> If pharo was organized as a scrum-project and if i was the product >> owner, i would suspend the current pharo development and instruct the >> team to work the complete next sprint (e.g. 4 weeks) on an >> OpenSource-Project for some general use. > > like the compiler, like integration server, like building VM, like creating the next generation UI. > You see we are doing that. Now we only have one engineer and he is quite busy. > All the rest of the team is not payed to develop Pharo but to teach, publish papers and ideas. the things you mentioned are very usefull - no doubt. But are these projects arguments for trying out pharo or for using it on the next project for a customer? regards, Stefan

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Increase populatity of Pharo by doing some Killer-OpenSource-Tools

by Stefan Krecher

Hi, Am 9. MÃ¤rz 2012 21:46 schrieb Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: > Well, IMO, popularity is wrong objective. > Look at the real world: we have pop stars like Britney Spears. So, > does it makes me my life better? I really doubt it. Things don't get worse "per se" just because they get popular. And if pharo would be more popular it would make my life better, because maybe i could use it in my dayjob. regards, Stefan

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] interesting source code inconsistency

by Pavel Krivanek

Thank you, Eliot. I updated the issue report. -- Pavel On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi Pavel, >> >> Â Â I presume they are found by the following: >> >> SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: >> [:m| >> m literals anySatisfy: >> [:l| >> l isVariableBinding >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] >> >> This could be a "browse unbound", and could be included in release tests >> via e.g. >> >> SystemNavigation>methodsWithUnboundGlobals >> ^self allSelect: >> [:m| >> m literals anySatisfy: >> [:l| >> l isVariableBinding >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] >> >> (or whereever Pharo puts browsing queries these days) > > > and I suppose it should exclude Undeclared variables, so this is better: > > SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: > [:m| > m literals anySatisfy: > [:l| > l isVariableBinding > and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" > and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil > and: [(Undeclared includesAssociation: l) not]]]]] > >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Pavel Krivanek >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>> the method DefaultSettingStyle>>#load includes several obsolete >>> classes (RBProgramNode, RBConfigurableFormatter, >>> RefactoryChangeManager). It is interesting that this inconsistency is >>> not reported by Undeclared nor obsoleteClasses (so release tests are >>> green). The literals array contains associations to nil pointed only >>> from the literal array of this method. >>> >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5463 >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -- Pavel >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> best, >> Eliot >> > > > > -- > best, > Eliot >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Dedicated to days of wasted time in your life, formatting source code for replacing spaces with tabs

by Alain Plantec

Le 12/03/2012 06:16, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > Ok, I took a look. > > Please do not integrate this as it is. +1. Cheers Alain > Here are my reasons: > - TextMorphs are supposed to be used for other things than source code, and for non-experienced-smalltalk-programmers, this would be quite alien. > - You already have a reasonably similar functionality with Ctrl pressed. This functionality is the same as in other editors on your machine, which brings familiarity. It would be better to have your functionality added to the Ctrl one. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 12 Mar 2012, at 03:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> On 12 March 2012 03:50, Igor Stasenko<siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> sorry for not explaining the feature properly.. >>> >>> I just wanna ask, what do you think, it we're going to integrate that: >>> a) should it be optional or we can use it by default? >>> b) if it is optional, what is default setting on/off? >>> >>> I vote for (a).. Because: >> ^^^ >> a) as not-optional :) >> >>> What i finding hard is imagining situation, where old behavior will be >>> less time consuming/more appropriate. >>> Can anyone can come up with cons arguments? >>> >>> While is important to fully control each whitespace character(s) >>> separately, when you editing/typing text (as in languages like Python >>> they even make it part of syntax... (what a stupid idea.. can't resist >>> sorry)), for navigating the text an importance of stepping over every >>> whitespace character seems to be leaning to zero.. (well, at least in >>> my eyes). >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Quality cannot be an afterthought." > >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Dedicated to days of wasted time in your life, formatting source code for replacing spaces with tabs

by Tudor Girba

Hi, Ok, I took a look. Please do not integrate this as it is. Here are my reasons: - TextMorphs are supposed to be used for other things than source code, and for non-experienced-smalltalk-programmers, this would be quite alien. - You already have a reasonably similar functionality with Ctrl pressed. This functionality is the same as in other editors on your machine, which brings familiarity. It would be better to have your functionality added to the Ctrl one. Cheers, Doru On 12 Mar 2012, at 03:58, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 12 March 2012 03:50, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> sorry for not explaining the feature properly.. >> >> I just wanna ask, what do you think, it we're going to integrate that: >> a) should it be optional or we can use it by default? >> b) if it is optional, what is default setting on/off? >> >> I vote for (a).. Because: > ^^^ > a) as not-optional :) > >> What i finding hard is imagining situation, where old behavior will be >> less time consuming/more appropriate. >> Can anyone can come up with cons arguments? >> >> While is important to fully control each whitespace character(s) >> separately, when you editing/typing text (as in languages like Python >> they even make it part of syntax... (what a stupid idea.. can't resist >> sorry)), for navigating the text an importance of stepping over every >> whitespace character seems to be leaning to zero.. (well, at least in >> my eyes). >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Quality cannot be an afterthought."

March 12, 2012