March 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Increase populatity of Pharo by doing some Killer-OpenSource-Tools

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 12, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Stefan Krecher wrote: > Hi, > > Am 11. MÃ¤rz 2012 12:08 schrieb StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >>> But let me dream: >>> If pharo was organized as a scrum-project and if i was the product >>> owner, i would suspend the current pharo development and instruct the >>> team to work the complete next sprint (e.g. 4 weeks) on an >>> OpenSource-Project for some general use. >> >> like the compiler, like integration server, like building VM, like creating the next generation UI. >> You see we are doing that. Now we only have one engineer and he is quite busy. >> All the rest of the team is not payed to develop Pharo but to teach, publish papers and ideas. > > the things you mentioned are very usefull - no doubt. > But are these projects arguments for trying out pharo or for using it > on the next project for a customer? for making sure that you can build your next cool system. And that we can write our next cool system too. on top of Pharo. > > regards, > Stefan >

March 12, 2012

[Pharo-project] Pharo 1.3 - Build # 22 - Still Unstable!

by jenkins-pharo.ci.inria.fr＠jenkins-server.lille.inria.fr

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Finally, jenkins were able to build win32 VM.

by Camillo Bruni

congrats! :) On 2012-03-12, at 19:42, Igor Stasenko wrote: > after fixing some compilation errors.. which is strange, but i didn't > have time to check how/why they were introduced.. > > Try it out: > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/Cog-Win32/21/ > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Smalltalk Dev + Runtime IDE..

by Usman Bhatti

It cannot be bad than mine... So, I dont care how dirty it is ... :-) On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:08 AM, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com > wrote: > * I do not have currently taskbar for open windows/ tasks for OS related > processes. One of the todo items for future..easy picking actually, for now > kind of live with the ubuntu sidebar to account for it.. > > * The code is ok in pieces, I have published two packages in SS: Dirty > Experiments relating the Tree Browser + Pharo MorphicView and will also > release the Tabbed Pane part > > * The PharoTablet code is not clean to be shared, it needs a good sweep > over to make it free from hacks, just in time fixes I have done over many > places, when I was just rudimentary in my understanding of Morphic.. > > But can, if others feel they are ok about dirty code..! :) Else I rather > wait till I know I can somewhat defend what I release.. and the benefit > thereof is a clean base others can contribute to/ use as is.. rather than > struggle with not so good a base. > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Very impressive! Thanx for sharing. >> >> Some questions: >> - You do not have a customized taskbar to show the open windows/tasks, >> you only use pharo taskbar (displayed when IDE is invoked). Am I right? >> - Can we have a look at the code? Is some part of the UI reusable? >> >> tx >> usman >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:10 AM, S Krish < >> krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Pharo Media player is a one hour quick fix, simple morphic UI that >>> invokes mplayer / mpg123 via CommandShell. >>> >>> Little cleaner, fancier you can mimic a Windows Media Player with >>> graphics et al.. certainly make it better than Banshee.. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM, S Krish < >>> krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Everything is Pharo end to end... all panels, icons included >>>> >>>> Just that for several programs it invokes the CommandShell to the >>>> application in OS. >>>> >>>> The intent is drive it on top of say Tiny Core Linux or a stripped >>>> Ubuntu and let Pharo be the IDE.. >>>> >>>> I am sure my kid enjoys this more than the standard Windows / Linux >>>> IDE. For beginners it is a way of saying development is fun and fusion of >>>> runtime and development >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for sharing that with us. >>>>> I like the way of displaying methods :). >>>>> This is good to see other experiences, now are the large icons also in >>>>> pharo. >>>>> I mean do I understand correctly that you have a pharo media player :). >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:37 PM, S Krish wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > album >>>>> > >>>>> > https://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE >>>>> > >>>>> > Raw Preview of Pharo as a Dev and Runtime IDE: perhaps for the OS >>>>> too..! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

March 12, 2012

[Pharo-project] Finally, jenkins were able to build win32 VM.

by Igor Stasenko

after fixing some compilation errors.. which is strange, but i didn't have time to check how/why they were introduced.. Try it out: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/Cog-Win32/21/ -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph

by Gary Chambers

Sorry guys, bogged down with client work hopefully next week... I'll see if I can at least have my colleagues get some videos published in the meantime. Regards, Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Cc: "benjamin Van Ryseghem" <benjamin.vanryseghem(a)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:14 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph > Just a heads up. > > I'll be making some time next week for reintegrating various fixes and > improvements to mostly Polymorph related things. Excellent > > Whilst based on 1.4, it has been some time since I've updated my happily > stable image and the changes have accumulated to be fairly extensive, all > driven by business needs of course ;-) (no reason that nice stuff can be > done in that remit!). Excellent! > > The changes will hopefully not break anyone's parallel efforts, likely, > though is going to be painful to resynchronise as the community has been > doing plentiful excellent work in improvement. > > I humbly ask that fixes/changes to Morphic/Polymorph could be put on hold > in terms of submissions whilst I integrate as a stable baseline will be > necessary. sure You take priority. :) > I'll post again on the list next week as to when I start on the > reintegration so I can hopefully get a clear few days of stability, along > with letting you all know preliminary details of the effects of changes > (won't know full repurcussions until analyzed). You tell us and we can integrate as you want. > In addition to fixes etc. I can make available a couple of UI themes > suitable for touchscreen devices (Android Gingerbread style basically, in > HDPI and MDPI) and a few other goodies. I want them :) > Hopefully all for the better as discovered through using things to produce > business applications. > > Videos to come based on the products we are developing with Pharo. That too :) > > Regards, Gary > > Sent from my iPad

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Can we change diff-generator to ignore white-space diffs?

by Igor Stasenko

On 12 March 2012 15:33, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> Because it makes things unreadable. >> Here, i replaced spaces with tabs.. and see what happens. >> >> > > Similiarly... I am finding that as I am digging into it the system to learn > it by scattering 'self halts' through the code and later deleting them, > Â often the whitespace it not identical to the original and when reviewing > <changes> in the Monticello Browser these these are annoying to have listed > as changes. Â What do you think of the Monticello <changes> button ignoring > whitespace? > i think yes. :) > cheers, -ben > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Store your source code in the cloud using Amazon S3

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 11 Mar 2012, at 12:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > marcus will love that. I know ;-) > Do you have an idea of the price? Currently, I am beta testing this, if there is interest I might take this further. Please contact me, off list. Pricing would be either free for public accessible, fully open source licensed repositories with reasonable resource consumption (let's say < 100Mb storage, normal traffic), or some acceptable yearly amount for closed or commercial licensed repositories (total size < 1Gb, normal traffic) with basic support. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Can we change diff-generator to ignore white-space diffs?

by Ben Coman

Igor Stasenko wrote: > Because it makes things unreadable. > Here, i replaced spaces with tabs.. and see what happens. > > Similiarly... I am finding that as I am digging into it the system to learn it by scattering 'self halts' through the code and later deleting them, often the whitespace it not identical to the original and when reviewing <changes> in the Monticello Browser these these are annoying to have listed as changes. What do you think of the Monticello <changes> button ignoring whitespace? cheers, -ben

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] No red on Jenkins!

by Igor Stasenko

On 12 March 2012 12:03, Martin Sandiford <ms(a)mcdev.com.au> wrote: > Looks good --- I'm not sure the Cog-Win32 build is packaging its > artifacts correctly. > > In Cog.zip from https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/Cog-Win32/18/ I > get the following: > > Archive: Â Cog.zip > Â Length Â Method Â Â Size Â Ratio Â Date Â Time Â CRC-32 Â Â Name > -------- Â ------ Â ------- ----- Â ---- Â ---- Â ------ Â Â ---- > Â 51270 Â Defl:N Â Â 4038 Â 92% Â 03-09-12 01:07 Â e8206345 Â libCogVM.dll.a > -------- Â Â Â Â Â ------- Â --- Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â ------- > Â 51270 Â Â Â Â Â Â 4038 Â 92% Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 1 file > the win32 builds are broken.. there is a compilation errors. but jenkins cannot detect that and shows it as green.. > Cheers, > Martin > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> All green and yellow! >> >> Â Â Â Â https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/ >> >> Now the next goal is to make the yellow ones green. This is especially important for the VM related tests. >> ("is this vm good?") >> >> e.g. >> >> Â Â Â Â https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM-dev/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa%20Tests/ >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >> >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 12, 2012