March 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Smalltalk Dev + Runtime IDE..

by Olivier Auverlot

No problemo :-) Le 12/03/12 21:28, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > excellent! > I would love to have a Pharo IDE on some tablet. > Olivier I would love to try on your tablet :) > > Stef > > On Mar 12, 2012, at 5:10 AM, S Krish wrote: > >> Pharo Media player is a one hour quick fix, simple morphic UI that invokes mplayer / mpg123 via CommandShell. >> >> Little cleaner, fancier you can mimic a Windows Media Player with graphics et al.. certainly make it better than Banshee.. >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM, S Krish<krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Everything is Pharo end to end... all panels, icons included >> >> Just that for several programs it invokes the CommandShell to the application in OS. >> >> The intent is drive it on top of say Tiny Core Linux or a stripped Ubuntu and let Pharo be the IDE.. >> >> I am sure my kid enjoys this more than the standard Windows / Linux IDE. For beginners it is a way of saying development is fun and fusion of runtime and development >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse<stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Thanks for sharing that with us. >> I like the way of displaying methods :). >> This is good to see other experiences, now are the large icons also in pharo. >> I mean do I understand correctly that you have a pharo media player :). >> >> Stef >> >> On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:37 PM, S Krish wrote: >> >>> album >>> >>> https://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE >>> >>> Raw Preview of Pharo as a Dev and Runtime IDE: perhaps for the OS too..! >> >> >> >

March 13, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Mouse move and button down events

by Ricardo Moran

Alternatively, you can suscribe your Parent morph to listen all the mouse events and then do something if the event is #mouseMove. Find an example attached. I hope it helps. Cheers, Richo On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Hilaire Fernandes < hilaire.fernandes(a)edu.ge.ch> wrote: > I did this ugly hack > > Child>>handleMouseMove: evt > self owner owner owner mouseMove: evt > > I would like a cleaner way to handle it. > > > > Le 07/03/2012 11:16, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : > > Hello, > > > > I have two embedded morphs: a parent and a child. > > > > On the child I want to handle mouse down event, > > > > Child>>handlesMouseDown: event > > ^true > > > > On parent I want to handle mouse down+move event: > > > > There are not distinct handlesMouseMove, only > > Parent>>handlesMouseDown: event > > ^true > > > > Now, events received by child handlesMouseDown are always > > MouseButtonEvent, never MouveMoveEvent, so no chance to answer true or > > false accordingly. I guess MouseButtonEvent is catched first, then other > > mouseMove event discarded > > > > What I want is the child to received clic events, but the parent move > > events. It does not seem possible, am I wrong? > > > > > > > -- > Dr. Geo -- http://www.drgeo.eu > > >

March 13, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Smalltalk Dev + Runtime IDE..

by S Krish

ok done. this weekend i will package what I have and put it out.. as there is some more typing in of usable code still to go in + put a Configuration script around this too.. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:22 AM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>wrote: > It cannot be bad than mine... > So, I dont care how dirty it is ... :-) > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:08 AM, S Krish < > krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> * I do not have currently taskbar for open windows/ tasks for OS related >> processes. One of the todo items for future..easy picking actually, for now >> kind of live with the ubuntu sidebar to account for it.. >> >> * The code is ok in pieces, I have published two packages in SS: Dirty >> Experiments relating the Tree Browser + Pharo MorphicView and will also >> release the Tabbed Pane part >> >> * The PharoTablet code is not clean to be shared, it needs a good sweep >> over to make it free from hacks, just in time fixes I have done over many >> places, when I was just rudimentary in my understanding of Morphic.. >> >> But can, if others feel they are ok about dirty code..! :) Else I rather >> wait till I know I can somewhat defend what I release.. and the benefit >> thereof is a clean base others can contribute to/ use as is.. rather than >> struggle with not so good a base. >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Usman Bhatti <usman.bhatti(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Very impressive! Thanx for sharing. >>> >>> Some questions: >>> - You do not have a customized taskbar to show the open windows/tasks, >>> you only use pharo taskbar (displayed when IDE is invoked). Am I right? >>> - Can we have a look at the code? Is some part of the UI reusable? >>> >>> tx >>> usman >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 5:10 AM, S Krish < >>> krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Pharo Media player is a one hour quick fix, simple morphic UI that >>>> invokes mplayer / mpg123 via CommandShell. >>>> >>>> Little cleaner, fancier you can mimic a Windows Media Player with >>>> graphics et al.. certainly make it better than Banshee.. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:38 AM, S Krish < >>>> krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Everything is Pharo end to end... all panels, icons included >>>>> >>>>> Just that for several programs it invokes the CommandShell to the >>>>> application in OS. >>>>> >>>>> The intent is drive it on top of say Tiny Core Linux or a stripped >>>>> Ubuntu and let Pharo be the IDE.. >>>>> >>>>> I am sure my kid enjoys this more than the standard Windows / Linux >>>>> IDE. For beginners it is a way of saying development is fun and fusion of >>>>> runtime and development >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:18 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for sharing that with us. >>>>>> I like the way of displaying methods :). >>>>>> This is good to see other experiences, now are the large icons also >>>>>> in pharo. >>>>>> I mean do I understand correctly that you have a pharo media player >>>>>> :). >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 11, 2012, at 8:37 PM, S Krish wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > album >>>>>> > >>>>>> > https://picasaweb.google.com/skrishnamachari/PharoTabletIDE >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Raw Preview of Pharo as a Dev and Runtime IDE: perhaps for the OS >>>>>> too..! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

March 13, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Polymorph

by GermÃ¡n Arduino

+1 to all (customers and videos)! 2012/3/12, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > On Mar 12, 2012, at 4:55 PM, Gary Chambers wrote: > >> Sorry guys, bogged down with client work hopefully next week... >> I'll see if I can at least have my colleagues get some videos published in >> the meantime. > > Clients are more important :) > Now we love videos of cool pharo projects! > > Stef > > > -- Enviado desde mi dispositivo mÃ³vil ============================================ GermÃ¡n S. Arduino <gsa @ arsol.net> Twitter: garduino Arduino Software http://www.arduinosoftware.com PasswordsPro http://www.passwordspro.com greensecure.blogspot.com germanarduino.blogpost.com ============================================

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] interesting source code inconsistency

by Pavel Krivanek

Isn't Smalltalk With Style source of the right formating? ;-) -- Pavel On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:31 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Pavel, you're quite right. Â I've committed code to Squeak trunk. > Â Forgive the reformat ;) > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I followed content of testUndeclared so side effect of ReleaseTest was >> already there. And because we filter out Undeclared, I wanted to have >> in Undeclared the valid content. >> BTW looking at the code again, maybe we should not test >> includesAssociation: but directly identity of associations. >> >> -- Pavel >> >> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Hi Pavel, >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Pavel Krivanek >> > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Thank you, Eliot. I updated the issue report. >> > >> > >> > I'm grabbing the changes for Squeak trunk. Â But I don't see why one >> > should >> > do cleanOutUndeclared inÂ testMethodsWithUnboundGlobals. Â It doesn't >> > affect >> > the result of the test (since methodsWittUnboundGlobals filters-out >> > Undeclared) and introduces a side-effect of running tests. >> > >> >> >> >> -- Pavel >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Eliot Miranda >> >> <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Eliot Miranda >> >> > <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Hi Pavel, >> >> >> >> >> >> Â Â I presume they are found by the following: >> >> >> >> >> >> SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: >> >> >> [:m| >> >> >> m literals anySatisfy: >> >> >> [:l| >> >> >> l isVariableBinding >> >> >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> >> >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] >> >> >> >> >> >> This could be a "browse unbound", and could be included in release >> >> >> tests >> >> >> via e.g. >> >> >> >> >> >> SystemNavigation>methodsWithUnboundGlobals >> >> >> ^self allSelect: >> >> >> [:m| >> >> >> m literals anySatisfy: >> >> >> [:l| >> >> >> l isVariableBinding >> >> >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> >> >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] >> >> >> >> >> >> (or whereever Pharo puts browsing queries these days) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > and I suppose it should exclude Undeclared variables, so this is >> >> > better: >> >> > >> >> > SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: >> >> > [:m| >> >> > m literals anySatisfy: >> >> > [:l| >> >> > l isVariableBinding >> >> > and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> >> > and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil >> >> > and: [(Undeclared includesAssociation: l) not]]]]] >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Pavel Krivanek >> >> >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Hi, >> >> >>> >> >> >>> the method DefaultSettingStyle>>#load includes several obsolete >> >> >>> classes (RBProgramNode, RBConfigurableFormatter, >> >> >>> RefactoryChangeManager). It is interesting that this inconsistency >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> not reported by Undeclared nor obsoleteClasses (so release tests >> >> >>> are >> >> >>> green). The literals array contains associations to nil pointed >> >> >>> only >> >> >>> from the literal array of this method. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5463 >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Cheers, >> >> >>> -- Pavel >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> best, >> >> >> Eliot >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > best, >> >> > Eliot >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > best, >> > Eliot >> > >> > > > > -- > best, > Eliot >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Dedicated to days of wasted time in your life, formatting source code for replacing spaces with tabs

by Camillo Bruni

I say add it with a setting... everybody should be happy with this :) though you know that I would prefer stefs proposal more :P On 2012-03-12, at 22:02, Igor Stasenko wrote: > actually, originally i was looking for a bit different thing: i wanted > that if user double-clicks on white space, > it should select all whitespace characters between two non-space characters. > but when i found the code responsible for that, i > understood that it will be not so easy to do and most probably will > break a current behavior. > > Btw, Firefox behavior on double-clicking between two words is also not > satisfying: > try double click between this word and this , and see. > > Neither Chrome: it just selects single space.. > > But TextEdit (on Macs) does exactly what i would expect from > well-behaving text editor. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] interesting source code inconsistency

by Eliot Miranda

Thanks, Pavel, you're quite right. I've committed code to Squeak trunk. Forgive the reformat ;) On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > > I followed content of testUndeclared so side effect of ReleaseTest was > already there. And because we filter out Undeclared, I wanted to have > in Undeclared the valid content. > BTW looking at the code again, maybe we should not test > includesAssociation: but directly identity of associations. > > -- Pavel > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Pavel, > > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Pavel Krivanek < > pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> Thank you, Eliot. I updated the issue report. > > > > > > I'm grabbing the changes for Squeak trunk. But I don't see why one > should > > do cleanOutUndeclared in testMethodsWithUnboundGlobals. It doesn't > affect > > the result of the test (since methodsWittUnboundGlobals filters-out > > Undeclared) and introduces a side-effect of running tests. > > > >> > >> -- Pavel > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Eliot Miranda < > eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Eliot Miranda < > eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Hi Pavel, > >> >> > >> >> I presume they are found by the following: > >> >> > >> >> SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: > >> >> [:m| > >> >> m literals anySatisfy: > >> >> [:l| > >> >> l isVariableBinding > >> >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" > >> >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] > >> >> > >> >> This could be a "browse unbound", and could be included in release > >> >> tests > >> >> via e.g. > >> >> > >> >> SystemNavigation>methodsWithUnboundGlobals > >> >> ^self allSelect: > >> >> [:m| > >> >> m literals anySatisfy: > >> >> [:l| > >> >> l isVariableBinding > >> >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" > >> >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] > >> >> > >> >> (or whereever Pharo puts browsing queries these days) > >> > > >> > > >> > and I suppose it should exclude Undeclared variables, so this is > better: > >> > > >> > SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: > >> > [:m| > >> > m literals anySatisfy: > >> > [:l| > >> > l isVariableBinding > >> > and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" > >> > and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil > >> > and: [(Undeclared includesAssociation: l) not]]]]] > >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Pavel Krivanek > >> >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Hi, > >> >>> > >> >>> the method DefaultSettingStyle>>#load includes several obsolete > >> >>> classes (RBProgramNode, RBConfigurableFormatter, > >> >>> RefactoryChangeManager). It is interesting that this inconsistency > is > >> >>> not reported by Undeclared nor obsoleteClasses (so release tests are > >> >>> green). The literals array contains associations to nil pointed only > >> >>> from the literal array of this method. > >> >>> > >> >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5463 > >> >>> > >> >>> Cheers, > >> >>> -- Pavel > >> >>> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -- > >> >> best, > >> >> Eliot > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > best, > >> > Eliot > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > best, > > Eliot > > > > -- best, Eliot

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Store your source code in the cloud using Amazon S3

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 12 Mar 2012, at 22:08, Francois Stephany wrote: > I (wapict) am interested :) > > The only problem I see is the availability of the dependencies. > > If my code is reachable but I can't build an image because squeaksource/ss3 is down, it becomes less sexy ;) I understand (BTW, I have the same 'problem'), but this is another issue that no single repository can solve. I know that some teams use Metacello/Monticello so that they only ever deploy known and accessible fixed versions that were collected during development/deploy time. But I haven't done that myself. Sven

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] interesting source code inconsistency

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, I followed content of testUndeclared so side effect of ReleaseTest was already there. And because we filter out Undeclared, I wanted to have in Undeclared the valid content. BTW looking at the code again, maybe we should not test includesAssociation: but directly identity of associations. -- Pavel On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:47 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Pavel, > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:40 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Thank you, Eliot. I updated the issue report. > > > I'm grabbing the changes for Squeak trunk. Â But I don't see why one should > do cleanOutUndeclared inÂ testMethodsWithUnboundGlobals. Â It doesn't affect > the result of the test (since methodsWittUnboundGlobals filters-out > Undeclared) and introduces a side-effect of running tests. > >> >> -- Pavel >> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Pavel, >> >> >> >> Â Â I presume they are found by the following: >> >> >> >> SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: >> >> [:m| >> >> m literals anySatisfy: >> >> [:l| >> >> l isVariableBinding >> >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] >> >> >> >> This could be a "browse unbound", and could be included in release >> >> tests >> >> via e.g. >> >> >> >> SystemNavigation>methodsWithUnboundGlobals >> >> ^self allSelect: >> >> [:m| >> >> m literals anySatisfy: >> >> [:l| >> >> l isVariableBinding >> >> and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> >> and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil]]]] >> >> >> >> (or whereever Pharo puts browsing queries these days) >> > >> > >> > and I suppose it should exclude Undeclared variables, so this is better: >> > >> > SystemNavigation new browseAllSelect: >> > [:m| >> > m literals anySatisfy: >> > [:l| >> > l isVariableBinding >> > and: [l key isSymbol "avoid class-side methodClass literals" >> > and: [(m methodClass bindingOf: l key) isNil >> > and: [(Undeclared includesAssociation: l) not]]]]] >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Pavel Krivanek >> >> <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi, >> >>> >> >>> the method DefaultSettingStyle>>#load includes several obsolete >> >>> classes (RBProgramNode, RBConfigurableFormatter, >> >>> RefactoryChangeManager). It is interesting that this inconsistency is >> >>> not reported by Undeclared nor obsoleteClasses (so release tests are >> >>> green). The literals array contains associations to nil pointed only >> >>> from the literal array of this method. >> >>> >> >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5463 >> >>> >> >>> Cheers, >> >>> -- Pavel >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> best, >> >> Eliot >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > best, >> > Eliot >> > >> > > > > -- > best, > Eliot >

March 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Store your source code in the cloud using Amazon S3

by Francois Stephany

I (wapict) am interested :) The only problem I see is the availability of the dependencies. If my code is reachable but I can't build an image because squeaksource/ss3 is down, it becomes less sexy ;) On 12/03/12 13:25, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote > > >> >> On 11 Mar 2012, at 12:04, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> marcus will love that. >> >> I know ;-) >> >>> Do you have an idea of the price? >> >> Currently, I am beta testing this, if there is interest I might take this further. Please contact me, off list. >> >> Pricing would be either free for public accessible, fully open source licensed repositories with reasonable resource consumption (let's say< 100Mb storage, normal traffic), or some acceptable yearly amount for closed or commercial licensed repositories (total size< 1Gb, normal traffic) with basic support. > > I like the idea to see if there is a commercial interest for such service. > > >> Sven >> >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> http://stfx.eu >> Smalltalk is the Red Pill >> >> >> >> > > -- http://tulipemoutarde.be CA: +1 778 558 3225 BE: +32 65 709 131

March 12, 2012