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Re: [Pharo-project] Morpheas , bringing Morphic to Opengl (3d GUIs)

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

+1 :) On to the more serious topic: are we bringing morphic to OpenGL (true 3D gui ala Croquet, and a BAD idea IMHO), or are we bringing OpenGL-powered 3D morphs/windows/views/whatever to embed in a 2D environment (a VERY GOOD idea IMHO). Not meaning to rain on anyone's parade, but Croquet was arguably a huge missed opportunity. Their code for manipulating 3D objects was a thing of beauty, as far as I got with evaluating it, but they pointedly (for a while) refused to let go of the 3D immersion. AFAIK, the mesh loading and object manipulation features are now available separately on Squeak Source as CroquetGL. What I am really wanting for 3D is to have one or more views on a scene, and to embed them in a traditional 2D user interface. I hope that will not get lost while any other visions advance. Options are good. Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras [vonbecmann(a)gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 10:22 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Morpheas , bringing Morphic to Opengl (3d GUIs) +1 On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com<mailto:alexandre.bergel@me.com>> wrote: I think that moat of us appreciate screenshots sent on the mailing list :-) Cheers, Alexandre Le 19 mars 2012 Ã 10:50, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com<mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>> a Ã©crit : > great! > > On 19 March 2012 16:11, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com<mailto:elpochodelagente@gmail.com>> wrote: >> I got some time and finished commiting it. >> >> Steps to load it (I tested with pharo 1.3): >> >> 1. load NBOpenGL with its configuration. >> 2. load NBXLib package from monticello >> 3. load NBOpengl-X package from monticello >> >> Then you can run the example (you'll need tahoma font): >> >> 4. add the patch I attach. >> 5. Do this: >> >> GLTTRenderingDemo new openInWorld. >> >> tell if something doesn't work. >> >> Cheers, >> Javier. >> >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com<mailto:elpochodelagente@gmail.com>> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi! IIRC: Two months ago the code was working on windows but needed some >>> modifications to create the contexts on the other platforms. Probably Igor >>> did that for mac now, and maybe even linux, but I have to test. I remember I >>> was working on the NBXLib wrapper so that context creation can be done with >>> st code on linux. I will continue with all this this week, I just have to >>> download everything and catch up with recent changes and then I'll come >>> back. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Javier. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com<mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 31 January 2012 10:29, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote: >>>>> I wanted to ask if NB and COG will support windows as well, I see no >>>>> windows >>>>> build. >>>> there is windows build, just check downloads page of NB project site. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> and here we go with first problem. I am in linux mint 12 32 bit with a >>>>> graphic card NVIDIA GEFORCE 6200 . >>>>> >>>>> I got Cog VM with the Nativeboost plugin + Pharo 1.4 image + >>>>> Nativeboost + >>>>> NBOpenGL >>>>> >>>>> This is my workspace >>>>> >>>>> ---- >>>>> Gofer it >>>>> squeaksource: 'NativeBoost'; >>>>> package: 'NativeBoost-Installer'; >>>>> load. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> NBInstaller install. >>>>> >>>>> Gofer it >>>>> squeaksource: 'NBOpenGL'; >>>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfNBOpenGL'; >>>>> load. >>>>> >>>>> ConfigurationOfNBOpenGL project lastVersion load. >>>>> >>>>> test := (GLTTRenderingDemo new) openInWorld; yourself. >>>>> --- >>>>> >>>>> the problem appears in the last line with an error "No suitable >>>>> implementation found for initlising OpenGL context" . Should I assume >>>>> it can >>>>> find OpenGL libraries or is it a problem with the graphic card drivers. >>>>> CC >>>>> has been given me problem, but Blender works okish considering it >>>>> completely >>>>> reliant on OpenGL >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yes, because for linux we don't have an opengl initialization yet. >>>> Javier were working on that.. >>>> @Javier, what is the status? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s >>> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Morpheas , bringing Morphic to Opengl (3d GUIs)

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

+1 On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > I think that moat of us appreciate screenshots sent on the mailing list :-) > > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > Le 19 mars 2012 Ã 10:50, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > > > great! > > > > On 19 March 2012 16:11, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I got some time and finished commiting it. > >> > >> Steps to load it (I tested with pharo 1.3): > >> > >> 1. load NBOpenGL with its configuration. > >> 2. load NBXLib package from monticello > >> 3. load NBOpengl-X package from monticello > >> > >> Then you can run the example (you'll need tahoma font): > >> > >> 4. add the patch I attach. > >> 5. Do this: > >> > >> GLTTRenderingDemo new openInWorld. > >> > >> tell if something doesn't work. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Javier. > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Javier PimÃ¡s < > elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi! IIRC: Two months ago the code was working on windows but needed > some > >>> modifications to create the contexts on the other platforms. Probably > Igor > >>> did that for mac now, and maybe even linux, but I have to test. I > remember I > >>> was working on the NBXLib wrapper so that context creation can be done > with > >>> st code on linux. I will continue with all this this week, I just have > to > >>> download everything and catch up with recent changes and then I'll come > >>> back. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Javier. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 10:38 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 31 January 2012 10:29, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > >>>>> I wanted to ask if NB and COG will support windows as well, I see no > >>>>> windows > >>>>> build. > >>>> there is windows build, just check downloads page of NB project site. > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> and here we go with first problem. I am in linux mint 12 32 bit with > a > >>>>> graphic card NVIDIA GEFORCE 6200 . > >>>>> > >>>>> I got Cog VM with the Nativeboost plugin + Pharo 1.4 image + > >>>>> Nativeboost + > >>>>> NBOpenGL > >>>>> > >>>>> This is my workspace > >>>>> > >>>>> ---- > >>>>> Gofer it > >>>>> squeaksource: 'NativeBoost'; > >>>>> package: 'NativeBoost-Installer'; > >>>>> load. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> NBInstaller install. > >>>>> > >>>>> Gofer it > >>>>> squeaksource: 'NBOpenGL'; > >>>>> package: 'ConfigurationOfNBOpenGL'; > >>>>> load. > >>>>> > >>>>> ConfigurationOfNBOpenGL project lastVersion load. > >>>>> > >>>>> test := (GLTTRenderingDemo new) openInWorld; yourself. > >>>>> --- > >>>>> > >>>>> the problem appears in the last line with an error "No suitable > >>>>> implementation found for initlising OpenGL context" . Should I assume > >>>>> it can > >>>>> find OpenGL libraries or is it a problem with the graphic card > drivers. > >>>>> CC > >>>>> has been given me problem, but Blender works okish considering it > >>>>> completely > >>>>> reliant on OpenGL > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Yes, because for linux we don't have an opengl initialization yet. > >>>> Javier were working on that.. > >>>> @Javier, what is the status? > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Best regards, > >>>> Igor Stasenko. > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s > >>> Ciudad de Buenos Aires > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s > >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > >

March 20, 2012

[Pharo-project] Pharo Kernel Reload Tests-Unix - Build # 24 - Still unstable!

by jenkins-pharo.ci.inria.fr＠jenkins-server.lille.inria.fr

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Any theme or settings that will speed up a Pharo 1.3 image?

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-03-20, at 14:49, Stefan Marr wrote: > > On 20 Mar 2012, at 14:03, Camillo Bruni wrote: > >> >> On 2012-03-19, at 20:54, Marcus Denker wrote: >>>> You used your own images for Pinocchio, or was Pinocchio just fast enough for the standard images? >>>> >>> Pinnocio can't run the image... it's ("just ;-)") a compiler from smalltalk to binary code... the .exe then boostraps an image, >>> but there is no support to persist that (nor support for all the primitives.. and no GC other than Boehm). >> >> indeed ;) we tricked around the image :D >> >> stefan, do you rely on a visual interface? (rhetorical question) ;) > > Well, I have a small class that does the startup handling for me and immediately runs the code I need. > I did not want to spend the time to port your changes that I saw for 1.4. > And I didnt want to look into Coral... if you talk about the fixes for startup.. they have recently been ported to 1.3. which gives you some more stable/usable image for scripting. > A simple 'diable transparence' or so, to get a 10x speed up would have been nice. > But I guess that would really mean 'disable morphic' instead...

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Any theme or settings that will speed up a Pharo 1.3 image?

by Stefan Marr

On 20 Mar 2012, at 14:03, Camillo Bruni wrote: > > On 2012-03-19, at 20:54, Marcus Denker wrote: >>> You used your own images for Pinocchio, or was Pinocchio just fast enough for the standard images? >>> >> Pinnocio can't run the image... it's ("just ;-)") a compiler from smalltalk to binary code... the .exe then boostraps an image, >> but there is no support to persist that (nor support for all the primitives.. and no GC other than Boehm). > > indeed ;) we tricked around the image :D > > stefan, do you rely on a visual interface? (rhetorical question) ;) Well, I have a small class that does the startup handling for me and immediately runs the code I need. I did not want to spend the time to port your changes that I saw for 1.4. And I didnt want to look into Coral... A simple 'diable transparence' or so, to get a 10x speed up would have been nice. But I guess that would really mean 'disable morphic' instead... Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium Important Documents and Request for Feedback

by S Krish

Sure.. If this weekend is fine a deadline on that.. On 3/20/12, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Can you annotate the doc > because I do not talk corporate :) > > Stef > > On Mar 20, 2012, at 2:35 PM, S Krish wrote: > >> +1 >> >> The language / content needs to be aligned in that direction. If its >> appropriate, I can take a edit through the doc to make it little more >> corporate. >> >> On 3/20/12, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >>> A good document, Stef. >>> >>> The current focus of the documents is on developers. >>> It might make sense to add something for the (corporate) >>> users of Pharo-based software. >>> >>> Stephan >>> >>> >> > > >

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium Important Documents and Request for Feedback

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Can you annotate the doc because I do not talk corporate :) Stef On Mar 20, 2012, at 2:35 PM, S Krish wrote: > +1 > > The language / content needs to be aligned in that direction. If its > appropriate, I can take a edit through the doc to make it little more > corporate. > > On 3/20/12, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >> A good document, Stef. >> >> The current focus of the documents is on developers. >> It might make sense to add something for the (corporate) >> users of Pharo-based software. >> >> Stephan >> >> >

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium Important Documents and Request for Feedback

by S Krish

+1 The language / content needs to be aligned in that direction. If its appropriate, I can take a edit through the doc to make it little more corporate. On 3/20/12, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > A good document, Stef. > > The current focus of the documents is on developers. > It might make sense to add something for the (corporate) > users of Pharo-based software. > > Stephan > >

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo Consortium Important Documents and Request for Feedback

by Stephan Eggermont

A good document, Stef. The current focus of the documents is on developers. It might make sense to add something for the (corporate) users of Pharo-based software. Stephan

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] Re: can't load VMMaker into 1.3 as suggested by collaboractive book

by Bert Freudenberg

On 20.03.2012, at 13:15, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > On 20.03.2012 08:55, Max Leske wrote: >> I tried to load VMMaker into Pharo 1.3 (http://book.pharo-project.org/book/Virtual-Machine/Building/VMMakerTool) However, there's a dependency on Balloon3D-Plugins-bf.5 that contains underscore assignments which leads to syntax errors during load. Even the "fix" #pharoUndescoreAssignment run manually doesn't help. >> >> Maybe I'm doing this all wrongâ¦ All I want is to write a CRC pluginâ¦ >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> Cheers, >> Max > I went through a while back and removed all underscore assignments, but I don't have write access to the repository. > You can find the .mcz / .cs at: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6751081/BalloonPluginNoUnderscores.zip Thanks! It's now fixed in the repository. - Bert -

March 20, 2012