March 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Where should debug file name be?

by Guillermo Polito

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 21 March 2012 03:19, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Because this: > > > > SmalltakImage>>openLog > > "This is a _private_ method, > > Because it really belongs to logging facility, > > we should delegate to it at some point " > > > > ^ ( FileStream fileNamed: Smalltalk tools debugger logFileName ) > > wantsLineEndConversion: true; > > setToEnd; > > yourself > > > > > > Is ugly :) > > yes. > now compare this with older code where 'PharoDebug.log' string were > directly used in multiple places. > > I think it should be something like: > > ^ self tools log open > > then we just register a tool - #log.. which responsible for logging.. > anywhere it wants (to file/syslog whatever). > > ok, but not debugger :D. Transcript? Then maybe we can start a Mud fight: *Transcript global var* vs *Smalltalk tools log* ... but It will surely not be as fun, he > > > > > Guille > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

March 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Where should debug file name be?

by Igor Stasenko

On 21 March 2012 03:19, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Because this: > > SmalltakImage>>openLog > Â Â Â "This is a _private_ method, > Â Â Â Because it really belongs to logging facility, > Â Â Â we should delegate to it at some point " > > Â Â Â ^ ( FileStream fileNamed: Smalltalk tools debugger logFileName ) > Â Â Â Â Â Â wantsLineEndConversion: true; > Â Â Â Â Â Â setToEnd; > Â Â Â Â Â Â yourself > > > Is ugly :) yes. now compare this with older code where 'PharoDebug.log' string were directly used in multiple places. I think it should be something like: ^ self tools log open then we just register a tool - #log.. which responsible for logging.. anywhere it wants (to file/syslog whatever). > > Guille -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Make arduino work on linux with cog vm

by Igor Stasenko

On 21 March 2012 00:23, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 20 March 2012 22:32, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Try VM from here: http://squeakvm.org/unix/ >>> ...but you cannot use the latest Pharo image from CI server (because >>> it is saved in CogVM). But you can try official 1.3. >>> >> I think a better alternative would be to fix VM and make it work. >> >> I assuming there's something wrong with SerialPlugin , which used by >> SerialPort, no? >> I can't remember if this plugin is included into VM by default or not.. > > It is an internal plugin in CogVM > ok, so we should fix it. :) > -- Pavel > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Understanding RunArray>>scanFrom:

by Igor Stasenko

On 20 March 2012 14:39, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Mar 19, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:17 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Mar 19, 2012, at 12:27 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: >> >> > This method parses a stream from a fileout with styling and generates the text style specific objects. >> > >> > Now, >> > 1) are we writing that style section in our fileouts? >> >> No, not anymore. >> >> Are you sure it's not used for class comments? Â Given pretty-printing there's no need for method text style. Â But in a class comment (if people knew it was available) it can be quite nice. >> > In Pharo right now all source is just a string... class comments, too. > i would also prefer disabling any styling in class comments because often, when you copy/paste styled text into class comment, it remains styled.. > Â Â Â Â Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Is there a package for running bash shells in a Smalltalk workspace?

by David T. Lewis

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:47:38AM +0000, Frank Church wrote: > On 20 March 2012 10:47, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > CommandShell package..? > > > > On 3/20/12, St?phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > With OSProcess you can invoke shell. > > > > > > Now so far we do not have an interpreter for bash > > > > > > Stef > > > > > > On Mar 20, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Frank Church wrote: > > > > > >> Is there a package for running bash shells in a Smalltalk workspace? > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Frank Church > > > I am thinking more along the lines of an embedded shell window, like an > ActiveX control that runs a terminal window in the workspace, and can have > commands sent to it. See CommandShell. The shell is written in Smalltalk, but you it also provides a PipeableOSProcess if you prefer to send commands to an actual bash program. Dave

March 21, 2012

[Pharo-project] Where should debug file name be?

by Guillermo Polito

Because this: SmalltakImage>>openLog "This is a _private_ method, Because it really belongs to logging facility, we should delegate to it at some point " ^ ( FileStream fileNamed: *Smalltalk tools debugger logFileName* ) wantsLineEndConversion: true; setToEnd; yourself Is ugly :) Guille

March 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Any theme or settings that will speed up a Pharo 1.3 image?

by Igor Stasenko

On 21 March 2012 00:31, Stefan Marr <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de> wrote: > > On 20 Mar 2012, at 22:52, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> what you can try is to use lower color depth for the display. >> try switching to 1-bit mode.. which is black/white :) > > It feels faster, yes, but still far from usable :-/ > > And it is kind of hard to find a compatible VM... > Recent CogVMs on Mac (with Pharo branding and before) do not seem to like it. > A StackVM 4.0 was able to open it. > As Marcus says, everything we're not using/testing all the times rots quite quickly. So, there's no surprise that such feature left unattended when most people use 32bpp nowadays. > Thanks > Stefan > > > -- > Stefan Marr > Software Languages Lab > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 > Fax: Â +32 2 629 3525 > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Any theme or settings that will speed up a Pharo 1.3 image?

by Stefan Marr

On 20 Mar 2012, at 22:52, Igor Stasenko wrote: > what you can try is to use lower color depth for the display. > try switching to 1-bit mode.. which is black/white :) It feels faster, yes, but still far from usable :-/ And it is kind of hard to find a compatible VM... Recent CogVMs on Mac (with Pharo branding and before) do not seem to like it. A StackVM 4.0 was able to open it. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Make arduino work on linux with cog vm

by Pavel Krivanek

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:46 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 20 March 2012 22:32, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Try VM from here: http://squeakvm.org/unix/ >> ...but you cannot use the latest Pharo image from CI server (because >> it is saved in CogVM). But you can try official 1.3. >> > I think a better alternative would be to fix VM and make it work. > > I assuming there's something wrong with SerialPlugin , which used by > SerialPort, no? > I can't remember if this plugin is included into VM by default or not.. It is an internal plugin in CogVM -- Pavel > >> -- Pavel >> >> >> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Mariano Vicente <m.vicent(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Could you send me a link with a old vm version? >>> >>> Sorry but I'm a newie with Pharo :P >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Mariano >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Yes, that seems to be a CogVM problem. I tried it now and Cog cannot >>>> open the port but an old Squeak4.1 of 17 April 2010 [latest update: >>>> #9957] can. >>>> >>>> -- Pavel >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Mariano Vicente <m.vicent(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> > Hi Everybody. >>>> > >>>> > I'm just started with Pharo, and Arduino. And i like to comunicate both. >>>> > Â I >>>> > instaled the package sent by Ricardo Moran in a Pharo 1.4 with the Cogvm >>>> > from the Jenkins server, but i can't make the serials port works. The >>>> > Arduino board, i have, is connected to usb, wich ubuntu detects as >>>> > /dev/ttyACM0. >>>> > >>>> > I tried opening serial ports, like this: >>>> > >>>> > sp:=SerialPort new. >>>> > sp openPort: '/dev/ttyACM0'. >>>> > >>>> > sp openPort: 'ttyACM0'. >>>> > >>>> > sp openPort: 'ACM0'. >>>> > >>>> > sp openPort: '/ttyACM0'. >>>> > >>>> > But all they fail with a error saying ""Cannot Â open..." >>>> > After that, i have also, tried this: >>>> > >>>> > (1 to: 10000) select:[:port | [SerialPort new openPort:port;close. true] >>>> > on:Error do: [false]] >>>> > >>>> > and had a empty collection. >>>> > >>>> > And also tried giving full permissions to the port andÂ executedÂ the vm >>>> > sudoed... >>>> > >>>> > Are serial ports working on ubuntu?. Do i have to download a special >>>> > vm?. (I >>>> > would like to do a demo of arduino on monday, at work, and i would like >>>> > to >>>> > do in Pharo.) >>>> > >>>> > Cheers, >>>> > Mariano >>>> >>> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 20, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Make arduino work on linux with cog vm

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Mar 20, 2012, at 11:03 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 21 March 2012 00:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> excellent! > > what is so excellent in finding that something not works? :) yes because did you know it? No. So making sure that we are not ridiculous because we use the wrong env for a demo is important for me. > >> Thanks for the information. >> >> On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> >>> Yes, that seems to be a CogVM problem. I tried it now and Cog cannot >>> open the port but an old Squeak4.1 of 17 April 2010 [latest update: >>> #9957] can. >>> >>> -- Pavel >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Mariano Vicente <m.vicent(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi Everybody. >>>> >>>> I'm just started with Pharo, and Arduino. And i like to comunicate both. I >>>> instaled the package sent by Ricardo Moran in a Pharo 1.4 with the Cogvm >>>> from the Jenkins server, but i can't make the serials port works. The >>>> Arduino board, i have, is connected to usb, wich ubuntu detects as >>>> /dev/ttyACM0. >>>> >>>> I tried opening serial ports, like this: >>>> >>>> sp:=SerialPort new. >>>> sp openPort: '/dev/ttyACM0'. >>>> >>>> sp openPort: 'ttyACM0'. >>>> >>>> sp openPort: 'ACM0'. >>>> >>>> sp openPort: '/ttyACM0'. >>>> >>>> But all they fail with a error saying ""Cannot open..." >>>> After that, i have also, tried this: >>>> >>>> (1 to: 10000) select:[:port | [SerialPort new openPort:port;close. true] >>>> on:Error do: [false]] >>>> >>>> and had a empty collection. >>>> >>>> And also tried giving full permissions to the port and executed the vm >>>> sudoed... >>>> >>>> Are serial ports working on ubuntu?. Do i have to download a special vm?. (I >>>> would like to do a demo of arduino on monday, at work, and i would like to >>>> do in Pharo.) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Mariano >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

March 20, 2012