March 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] MVP

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

At least in the 1.4 seaside image, I do not get color highlighting the browser - debugger and workspaces do show coloring. I just grabbed the latest seaside image to verify. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 12:47 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP Shout works in 1.4 ... Ben On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > I can use 1.4 to look at the code. Once shout works in the browsers, I might make the switch anyway. > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:46 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP > > The problem is that we improved a lot he morphic layout in 1.4, and Spec is based on that. So most probably it doesn't work in 1.3 (and I didn't put effort in this direction, and will probably not) > > > Try Nautilus instead of OB ^^ > Again, we improved the system, but we are not maintaining OB, so it could be not up to date. > > > Have fun with Spec, > > Ben > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:41 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> spec is not made to work on 1.3 >> >> Stef >> >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> >>> Stef, >>> >>> Thanks for the code! #stable does some things on 1.4, but I still got nowhere with 1.3. The big thing keeping me off of 1.4 is shout in the browsers - I *really* like syntax highlighting. In fairness, I have not looked at 1.4 in a week or so, so maybe that's been fixed. However, I can certainly run it to play around with spec. >>> >>> Even on 1.4, I got a DNU over groups; this time I had to add the noop to OB, which is apparently the default in 1.4?? >>> >>> More fiddling to come. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:26 AM >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>> >>> bill >>> >>> thanks for the catch. I updated the document. >>> >>> >>> Gofer new >>> url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpec'; >>> load >>> >>> ConfigurationOfSpec project load: #stable >>> >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> >>>> Ben, >>>> >>>> Great, but I'm still getting nipped by a DNU of #addGroupForPackage:. I found that no-oped in 1.4 so added it to 1.3 and was able to loadFull. It looks like great work, but I can't get anything to run in 1.3 or 1.4. Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:53 PM >>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>> >>>> Everything has been moved in ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ben, >>>>> >>>>> Ok, but I don't see it in either dirty experiments or the mc repository. Am I missing a ConfigurationOfSpec? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:38 PM >>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>> >>>>> I am kind of a middle of something right now, so my advice is really to use the configuration (moreover I have added a lot of packages) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Keep me in touch, >>>>> >>>>> Ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stef, >>>>>> >>>>>> I skimmed the documentation and attempted to load Spec-BenjaminVanRyseghem.34.mcz into 1.3, but got an error and backed off. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:56 AM >>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>> >>>>>> if you want to have a look at what we are doing with benjamin you can have a look at >>>>>> Spec >>>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday benjamin added inputField support and rewrote the changeSorter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> More: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> proportional layouts need to let each view have a proportion (zero makes it fixed size) and splitters should be just another view that is added to a composite, following the horizontal/vertical nature of the layout manager. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:25 PM >>>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm still a little overwhelmed, but I see attention to layout; this has been a BIG stumbling block for me in my efforts to bring MVP to Pharo. I recommend using nested composite view/presenter pairs for most layout. First, it lends itself well to an eventual view editor, and second, can be surprisingly easy to code directly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Each composite view has a layout manager. Layouts include constrained table-like elements, but the real workhorses are proportional layouts, which can be set either horizontal or vertical. By nesting them, very complicate behavior can be achieved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There, said "nesting," and that has been where I have fallen into trouble. Pharo/morphic layout works great for children of the top level, but after that, I can't get reliable results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sleep calls... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:36 PM >>>>>>> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been to busy to read today, but I like seeing any discussion of MVP. I am **slowly** working on a framework for it, but would be glad to be beaten to it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Default models are key; they must be replaceable, but (sub)triads should work "out of the box." Models can include value holders, value adapters, converters, and contexts, depending on how they are wired. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have something of a start on the adapters and converters, which I can try to package and make available. If nothing else, they will have value in seeding discussion if not be directly usable. More to come. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC ideas, 5 days to go!

by Carla F. Griggio

Hi everybody! Please remember that project ideas don't have to be projects to do from scratch. They could be new features or improvements for projects that are already being used or developed. Cheers! Carla. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>wrote: > Hi guys, > > Friday is approaching fast and we have so far only 4 complete ideas on > this year ideas page: > > http://gsoc2012.esug.org/ideas > > Please think harder, two years ago we had 36 ideas and all evolved later > to projects, with mentor, second mentor, student etc. So, are we without > ideas two years later? :) > > Best regards > Janko > > > Dne 02. 03. 2012 15:05, piÅ¡e Janko MivÅ¡ek: > > Hi everyone, > > > > 7 days to deadline for ideas of this year GSoC! Please think about what > > would be a nice project for students to work and that way join our > > community. And yes, students are welcome to propose projects too! > > > > Let we "recycle" past project ideas too! Please review them and propose > > those still valuable. Or change the proposal to suit better. Here they > > are: http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas . > > > > Let me and Carla post GSoC related stuff only on Pharo, Squeak and VWNC > > mailing lists while for other let someone forward those mails there > > please. It is just too hard to post on 10+ mailing lists, you know... > > > > Past GSoC mentors please join the debate on special Smalltalk GSoC > > mentors list: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors. If > > you want to be mentor this year you are welcome to join that list too. > > > > Best regards > > Janko > > > > S, Janko MivÅ¡ek piÅ¡e: > >> Dear Smalltalkers, > >> > >> Let we apply this year again for the Google Summer of Code, which as you > >> know is a Google's stipendium program for students to encourage them > >> working on open-source projects [1]. > >> > >> Ok, our first step as community is to collect ideas for possible > >> projects and to apply to the GSoC as an organization. Deadline is next > >> Friday, so please hurry on with ideas. Just put them as reply to this > >> email or to admins directly and we will put them on our website [2]. > >> > >> Your project idea should be written as answers to these questions: > >> > >> Name > >> Level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced) > >> Possible mentor > >> Possible second mentor > >> > >> Description > >> Technical Details > >> Benefits to the Student > >> Benefits to the Community > >> > >> > >> See how such ideas look like in past: http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas. > >> > >> Waiting for your ideas > >> Carla and Janko, your GSoC Admin team > >> > >> [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 > >> [2] http://gsoc2012.esug.org > >> > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: Project ideas for GSoC, 7 days left!

by Carla F. Griggio

HernÃ¡n, With CSS template system you mean, for example, describing the style of morphic objects with CSS syntax? Cheers, Carla. On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>wrote: > HernÃ¡n and Karl, can you or someone else develop your ideas a bit > furher, by answering the questions: > > description > technical details > benefif for student > benefit for community > > while potential mentor can be choosen later > > Thanks! > Janko > > Dne 02. 03. 2012 21:38, piÅ¡e karl ramberg: > > Make web browser plugin of Squeak work better on all platforms. > > Get Etoys image to run on CogVM. > > > > Karl > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM, karl ramberg <karlramberg(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Port OpenQwaq video to Etoys > >> > >> Karl > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:17 PM, HernÃ¡n Morales Durand > >> <hernan.morales(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> To dream is easy: > >>> > >>> -HDF5 (http://www.hdfgroup.org/HDF5/) support like PyTables or h5py > for > >>> Python > >>> -Information Retrieval/Full Text Search package like Lucene > >>> (http://lucene.apache.org/) > >>> -A binding to R or SAS or SPSS > >>> -Better or more semantic web support (see > >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Services_Resource_Framework#Implementations > ) > >>> -An omnibrowser for OWL ontologies > >>> -CSS template system > >>> -Support of a Distributed Hash Table protocol like Pastry > >>> (http://www.freepastry.org/) > >>> -Workflow system with designer and plug-in architecture (see > >>> http://www.taverna.org.uk/) > >>> -Big data CSV parser plugin > >>> -Plugin for fast approximate search in strings > >>> > >>> cheers, > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> 2012/3/2 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > >>>> > >>>> Hi everyone, > >>>> > >>>> 7 days to deadline for ideas of this year GSoC! Please think about > what > >>>> would be a nice project for students to work and that way join our > >>>> community. And yes, students are welcome to propose projects too! > >>>> > >>>> Let we "recycle" past project ideas too! Please review them and > propose > >>>> those still valuable. Or change the proposal to suit better. Here they > >>>> are: http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas . > >>>> > >>>> Let me and Carla post GSoC related stuff only on Pharo, Squeak and > VWNC > >>>> mailing lists while for other let someone forward those mails there > >>>> please. It is just too hard to post on 10+ mailing lists, you know... > >>>> > >>>> Past GSoC mentors please join the debate on special Smalltalk GSoC > >>>> mentors list: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors. > If > >>>> you want to be mentor this year you are welcome to join that list too. > >>>> > >>>> Best regards > >>>> Janko > >>>> > >>>> S, Janko MivÅ¡ek piÅ¡e: > >>>>> Dear Smalltalkers, > >>>>> > >>>>> Let we apply this year again for the Google Summer of Code, which as > you > >>>>> know is a Google's stipendium program for students to encourage them > >>>>> working on open-source projects [1]. > >>>>> > >>>>> Ok, our first step as community is to collect ideas for possible > >>>>> projects and to apply to the GSoC as an organization. Deadline is > next > >>>>> Friday, so please hurry on with ideas. Just put them as reply to this > >>>>> email or to admins directly and we will put them on our website [2]. > >>>>> > >>>>> Your project idea should be written as answers to these questions: > >>>>> > >>>>> Name > >>>>> Level (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced) > >>>>> Possible mentor > >>>>> Possible second mentor > >>>>> > >>>>> Description > >>>>> Technical Details > >>>>> Benefits to the Student > >>>>> Benefits to the Community > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> See how such ideas look like in past: http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas > . > >>>>> > >>>>> Waiting for your ideas > >>>>> Carla and Janko, your GSoC Admin team > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2012 > >>>>> [2] http://gsoc2012.esug.org > >>>>> > >>> -- > >>> HernÃ¡n Morales > >>> Information Technology Manager, > >>> Institute of Veterinary Genetics. > >>> National Scientific and Technical Research Council (CONICET). > >>> La Plata (1900), Buenos Aires, Argentina. > >>> Telephone: +54 (0221) 421-1799. > >>> Internal: 422 > >>> Fax: 425-7980 or 421-1799. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > http://gsoc2012.esug.org > >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] MVP

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:45 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > I can use 1.4 to look at the code. Once shout works in the browsers, I might make the switch anyway. > In Pharo 1.4 as downloaded here: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo%201.4/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifac… Shout is working in the Browsers. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] MVP

by Benjamin

Shout works in 1.4 ... Ben On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > I can use 1.4 to look at the code. Once shout works in the browsers, I might make the switch anyway. > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:46 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP > > The problem is that we improved a lot he morphic layout in 1.4, and Spec is based on that. So most probably it doesn't work in 1.3 (and I didn't put effort in this direction, and will probably not) > > > Try Nautilus instead of OB ^^ > Again, we improved the system, but we are not maintaining OB, so it could be not up to date. > > > Have fun with Spec, > > Ben > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:41 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> spec is not made to work on 1.3 >> >> Stef >> >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> >>> Stef, >>> >>> Thanks for the code! #stable does some things on 1.4, but I still got nowhere with 1.3. The big thing keeping me off of 1.4 is shout in the browsers - I *really* like syntax highlighting. In fairness, I have not looked at 1.4 in a week or so, so maybe that's been fixed. However, I can certainly run it to play around with spec. >>> >>> Even on 1.4, I got a DNU over groups; this time I had to add the noop to OB, which is apparently the default in 1.4?? >>> >>> More fiddling to come. >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:26 AM >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>> >>> bill >>> >>> thanks for the catch. I updated the document. >>> >>> >>> Gofer new >>> url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpec'; >>> load >>> >>> ConfigurationOfSpec project load: #stable >>> >>> >>> Stef >>> >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> >>>> Ben, >>>> >>>> Great, but I'm still getting nipped by a DNU of #addGroupForPackage:. I found that no-oped in 1.4 so added it to 1.3 and was able to loadFull. It looks like great work, but I can't get anything to run in 1.3 or 1.4. Any ideas? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:53 PM >>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>> >>>> Everything has been moved in ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ben, >>>>> >>>>> Ok, but I don't see it in either dirty experiments or the mc repository. Am I missing a ConfigurationOfSpec? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:38 PM >>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>> >>>>> I am kind of a middle of something right now, so my advice is really to use the configuration (moreover I have added a lot of packages) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Keep me in touch, >>>>> >>>>> Ben >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Stef, >>>>>> >>>>>> I skimmed the documentation and attempted to load Spec-BenjaminVanRyseghem.34.mcz into 1.3, but got an error and backed off. >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:56 AM >>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>> >>>>>> if you want to have a look at what we are doing with benjamin you can have a look at >>>>>> Spec >>>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday benjamin added inputField support and rewrote the changeSorter. >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> More: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> proportional layouts need to let each view have a proportion (zero makes it fixed size) and splitters should be just another view that is added to a composite, following the horizontal/vertical nature of the layout manager. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:25 PM >>>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm still a little overwhelmed, but I see attention to layout; this has been a BIG stumbling block for me in my efforts to bring MVP to Pharo. I recommend using nested composite view/presenter pairs for most layout. First, it lends itself well to an eventual view editor, and second, can be surprisingly easy to code directly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Each composite view has a layout manager. Layouts include constrained table-like elements, but the real workhorses are proportional layouts, which can be set either horizontal or vertical. By nesting them, very complicate behavior can be achieved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There, said "nesting," and that has been where I have fallen into trouble. Pharo/morphic layout works great for children of the top level, but after that, I can't get reliable results. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sleep calls... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:36 PM >>>>>>> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have been to busy to read today, but I like seeing any discussion of MVP. I am **slowly** working on a framework for it, but would be glad to be beaten to it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Default models are key; they must be replaceable, but (sub)triads should work "out of the box." Models can include value holders, value adapters, converters, and contexts, depending on how they are wired. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have something of a start on the adapters and converters, which I can try to package and make available. If nothing else, they will have value in seeding discussion if not be directly usable. More to come. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] MVP

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

I can use 1.4 to look at the code. Once shout works in the browsers, I might make the switch anyway. ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 11:46 AM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP The problem is that we improved a lot he morphic layout in 1.4, and Spec is based on that. So most probably it doesn't work in 1.3 (and I didn't put effort in this direction, and will probably not) Try Nautilus instead of OB ^^ Again, we improved the system, but we are not maintaining OB, so it could be not up to date. Have fun with Spec, Ben On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:41 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > spec is not made to work on 1.3 > > Stef > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Stef, >> >> Thanks for the code! #stable does some things on 1.4, but I still got nowhere with 1.3. The big thing keeping me off of 1.4 is shout in the browsers - I *really* like syntax highlighting. In fairness, I have not looked at 1.4 in a week or so, so maybe that's been fixed. However, I can certainly run it to play around with spec. >> >> Even on 1.4, I got a DNU over groups; this time I had to add the noop to OB, which is apparently the default in 1.4?? >> >> More fiddling to come. >> >> Bill >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 3:26 AM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >> >> bill >> >> thanks for the catch. I updated the document. >> >> >> Gofer new >> url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfSpec'; >> load >> >> ConfigurationOfSpec project load: #stable >> >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >> >>> Ben, >>> >>> Great, but I'm still getting nipped by a DNU of #addGroupForPackage:. I found that no-oped in 1.4 so added it to 1.3 and was able to loadFull. It looks like great work, but I can't get anything to run in 1.3 or 1.4. Any ideas? >>> >>> Bill >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:53 PM >>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>> >>> Everything has been moved in ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Spec :) >>> >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:47 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>> >>>> Ben, >>>> >>>> Ok, but I don't see it in either dirty experiments or the mc repository. Am I missing a ConfigurationOfSpec? >>>> >>>> Bill >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Benjamin [benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 6:38 PM >>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>> >>>> I am kind of a middle of something right now, so my advice is really to use the configuration (moreover I have added a lot of packages) >>>> >>>> >>>> Keep me in touch, >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:34 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>> >>>>> Stef, >>>>> >>>>> I skimmed the documentation and attempted to load Spec-BenjaminVanRyseghem.34.mcz into 1.3, but got an error and backed off. >>>>> >>>>> Any ideas? >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 2:56 AM >>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>> >>>>> if you want to have a look at what we are doing with benjamin you can have a look at >>>>> Spec >>>>> >>>>> Yesterday benjamin added inputField support and rewrote the changeSorter. >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 5, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> More: >>>>>> >>>>>> proportional layouts need to let each view have a proportion (zero makes it fixed size) and splitters should be just another view that is added to a composite, following the horizontal/vertical nature of the layout manager. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 9:25 PM >>>>>> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm still a little overwhelmed, but I see attention to layout; this has been a BIG stumbling block for me in my efforts to bring MVP to Pharo. I recommend using nested composite view/presenter pairs for most layout. First, it lends itself well to an eventual view editor, and second, can be surprisingly easy to code directly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each composite view has a layout manager. Layouts include constrained table-like elements, but the real workhorses are proportional layouts, which can be set either horizontal or vertical. By nesting them, very complicate behavior can be achieved. >>>>>> >>>>>> There, said "nesting," and that has been where I have fallen into trouble. Pharo/morphic layout works great for children of the top level, but after that, I can't get reliable results. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sleep calls... >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Schwab,Wilhelm K [bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu] >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:36 PM >>>>>> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>>>>> Subject: [Pharo-project] MVP >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have been to busy to read today, but I like seeing any discussion of MVP. I am **slowly** working on a framework for it, but would be glad to be beaten to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Default models are key; they must be replaceable, but (sub)triads should work "out of the box." Models can include value holders, value adapters, converters, and contexts, depending on how they are wired. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have something of a start on the adapters and converters, which I can try to package and make available. If nothing else, they will have value in seeding discussion if not be directly usable. More to come. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill >> >> >> > >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] small thoughts... system browser to show super methods & wide debugger

by Igor Stasenko

i'd love to have it too! On 5 March 2012 17:50, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > >> >> Just sharing some small thoughts as they cross my mind on the chance the are of any interest. Not necessarily looking for any response or action. >> >> 1. In the System Browser when viewing a method, this might include an expandable list of overridden methods. Â Beneath the code of the current method being viewed each 'super' method would be listed with an expandable '+' symbol. Â I have attached a mock up [1] showing all expanded but the default might be the collapsed state. >> >> 2. The debugger lists instance and temporary variables to be inspected, but not every object that 'passes through' the method being executed is held in a variable. Â More often messages are chained together such that to inspect the object returned from the middle of this chain you need to select that bit of the code and choose to inspect it again. Â However there may be side-effects of executing that a second time so you are not guaranteed to end up looking at the object actually encountered by the execution of the method. >> What would be interesting would be if in certain circumstances every object returned by every message in a method was held to be inspected. Â This might take the form of hovering or right-clicking on any message an choosing something like 'inspect context'. Â The circumstances this might be turned on for could be: >> a. globally >> b. ongoing execution from within debugger >> c. certain methods / classes / categories. >> >> 3. With screens getting much bigger, perhaps the debugger could have an option to show code from previous calls back to a certain level. Â I have attached a mock up [2]. Â Even though this image shows using a lot of vertical space, this would be scrolled. Â Ultimately it would be horizontal space required as the code steps in, but todays wide screens match this even better than those a few years ago. Note the yellow highlighted line in the top pane which can position how far back you look. >> > > I like the debugger idea! Especially combined with mouse-over infos (show the value if var in a pop-up when the mouse it over it), this should allow for a > very quick way to understand code... > > Â Â Â Â Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Showing the setUp method in Nautilus

by Benjamin

Right, I forgot. Done now :) Thanks, Ben On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You are using a really old version of Nautilus. > > You load the configuration from the old repo. Now everything is on Gemstone. > > Ben, can you update not only the "Wiki" in ss but also the "Overview" (first tab) ? > > :) > > > > I still can't understand why you do not use a plugin for that. > Or an external class. > > Since menu items and shortcuts are pragma based, you can define them anywhere in the system. And you can also retrieve data from the NautilusUI instance. > > Ben > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > Voila, I produced version 4.1 > > Please check. > > I did not use a plugin since the commands are directly implemented on NautilusUI, I therefore guess that a plugin is not the way to define commands. > > > > Also, something that I would find very useful, is to open a new Nautilus directly on the Group tab. I often see myself switching to the Group tab. Am I the only one? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 5 Mar 2012, at 13:40, Benjamin wrote: > > > >> > >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I worked on a new method item action to easily show the setUp method of a testCase. This helps reduce the amount of clicks and context switching when one wants to know what the setUp method is about while writing a test method. > >> > >> Cool > >> > >>> I think it is a good candidate for being included in Nautilus. > >>> Ben, if you agree with this, I can to commit in the Nautilus rep and produce a new version of the configuration. How does that sound? > >> > >> Commit, and I will have a look ;) > >> I though you started also a NautilusPlugin related to that, am I wrong ? > >> > >>> > >>> Question: how to associate a shortcut to an action? > >> > >> Anywhere on class side something like: > >> > >> buildRefactoringMethodShortcutsOn: aBuilder > >> <keymap> > >> > >> (aBuilder shortcut: #rename) > >> category: #NautilusMethodShortcuts > >> default: $r command > >> do: [:target || scroll | > >> scroll := target methodWidget vScrollValue. > >> target refactor renameMethodFor: target selectedMethod. > >> target methodWidget vScrollValue: scroll] > >> > >> The categories are: > >> #NautilusMethodShortcuts > >> #NautilusProtocolShortcuts > >> #NautilusClassShortcuts > >> #NautilusPackageShortcuts > >> > >> and here target is the NautilusUi instance which get the keyStroke. > >> > >>> > >>> Side comment: it would be a good move to adopt a class hierarchy a la OB to define commands. Defining all the commands in NautilusUI does not scale and simply does not work for non trivial command. > >> > >> For me, it generates to much classes. And now that Guillermo did a great work for KeyMappings, I prefer to use it :) > >> > >> > >> Ben > >> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Alexandre > >>> -- > >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <ShowSetupInNautilus.1.cs> > >> > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Showing the setUp method in Nautilus

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:20 PM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > You are using a really old version of Nautilus. > > You load the configuration from the old repo. Now everything is on > Gemstone. > Ben, can you update not only the "Wiki" in ss but also the "Overview" (first tab) ? :) > > I still can't understand why you do not use a plugin for that. > Or an external class. > > Since menu items and shortcuts are pragma based, you can define them > anywhere in the system. And you can also retrieve data from the NautilusUI > instance. > > Ben > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > Voila, I produced version 4.1 > > Please check. > > I did not use a plugin since the commands are directly implemented on > NautilusUI, I therefore guess that a plugin is not the way to define > commands. > > > > Also, something that I would find very useful, is to open a new Nautilus > directly on the Group tab. I often see myself switching to the Group tab. > Am I the only one? > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > > > > > On 5 Mar 2012, at 13:40, Benjamin wrote: > > > >> > >> On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> > >>> Hi! > >>> > >>> I worked on a new method item action to easily show the setUp method > of a testCase. This helps reduce the amount of clicks and context switching > when one wants to know what the setUp method is about while writing a test > method. > >> > >> Cool > >> > >>> I think it is a good candidate for being included in Nautilus. > >>> Ben, if you agree with this, I can to commit in the Nautilus rep and > produce a new version of the configuration. How does that sound? > >> > >> Commit, and I will have a look ;) > >> I though you started also a NautilusPlugin related to that, am I wrong ? > >> > >>> > >>> Question: how to associate a shortcut to an action? > >> > >> Anywhere on class side something like: > >> > >> buildRefactoringMethodShortcutsOn: aBuilder > >> <keymap> > >> > >> (aBuilder shortcut: #rename) > >> category: #NautilusMethodShortcuts > >> default: $r command > >> do: [:target || scroll | > >> scroll := target methodWidget vScrollValue. > >> target refactor renameMethodFor: target > selectedMethod. > >> target methodWidget vScrollValue: scroll] > >> > >> The categories are: > >> #NautilusMethodShortcuts > >> #NautilusProtocolShortcuts > >> #NautilusClassShortcuts > >> #NautilusPackageShortcuts > >> > >> and here target is the NautilusUi instance which get the keyStroke. > >> > >>> > >>> Side comment: it would be a good move to adopt a class hierarchy a la > OB to define commands. Defining all the commands in NautilusUI does not > scale and simply does not work for non trivial command. > >> > >> For me, it generates to much classes. And now that Guillermo did a > great work for KeyMappings, I prefer to use it :) > >> > >> > >> Ben > >> > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Alexandre > >>> -- > >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> <ShowSetupInNautilus.1.cs> > >> > > > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

March 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Showing the setUp method in Nautilus

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com>wrote: > Voila, I produced version 4.1 > Please check. > I did not use a plugin since the commands are directly implemented on > NautilusUI, I therefore guess that a plugin is not the way to define > commands. > > Also, something that I would find very useful, is to open a new Nautilus > directly on the Group tab. I often see myself switching to the Group tab. > Am I the only one? > > There is a setting for that. > Cheers, > Alexandre > > > On 5 Mar 2012, at 13:40, Benjamin wrote: > > > > > On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:52 PM, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > > >> Hi! > >> > >> I worked on a new method item action to easily show the setUp method of > a testCase. This helps reduce the amount of clicks and context switching > when one wants to know what the setUp method is about while writing a test > method. > > > > Cool > > > >> I think it is a good candidate for being included in Nautilus. > >> Ben, if you agree with this, I can to commit in the Nautilus rep and > produce a new version of the configuration. How does that sound? > > > > Commit, and I will have a look ;) > > I though you started also a NautilusPlugin related to that, am I wrong ? > > > >> > >> Question: how to associate a shortcut to an action? > > > > Anywhere on class side something like: > > > > buildRefactoringMethodShortcutsOn: aBuilder > > <keymap> > > > > (aBuilder shortcut: #rename) > > category: #NautilusMethodShortcuts > > default: $r command > > do: [:target || scroll | > > scroll := target methodWidget vScrollValue. > > target refactor renameMethodFor: target > selectedMethod. > > target methodWidget vScrollValue: scroll] > > > > The categories are: > > #NautilusMethodShortcuts > > #NautilusProtocolShortcuts > > #NautilusClassShortcuts > > #NautilusPackageShortcuts > > > > and here target is the NautilusUi instance which get the keyStroke. > > > >> > >> Side comment: it would be a good move to adopt a class hierarchy a la > OB to define commands. Defining all the commands in NautilusUI does not > scale and simply does not work for non trivial command. > > > > For me, it generates to much classes. And now that Guillermo did a great > work for KeyMappings, I prefer to use it :) > > > > > > Ben > > > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Alexandre > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> <ShowSetupInNautilus.1.cs> > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

March 5, 2012