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Re: [Pharo-project] Speech / KlattVoice

by S Krish

on linux there is a decent set of alternatives to simply plugin to and use.. Festival , espeak.. to begin with.. for the speech to text.. Sphinx..: pocketSphinx or Sphinx4.. Klatt definetely does not measure up to these.. nothing wrong to either use OSProcess, or FFI as reqd or even .. XMLRPC to Java.. for Sphinx4.. On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 10:12 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be>wrote: > Well, I'll do some Klatt on my own then. This will be educative and I am > stuck here for weeks, so .. > > In fact, I have got a pet project here that requires a number of features > to work. > > One of them is the iOS VM being under control for targeting the iPad. > > Klatt may come in handy for having some of my test characters to talk > (until the dialog feels right and I can use actual real voice talent). I've > been using AT&T's natural voices for some things but this gives > downloadable Wavs that aren't usable commercially. > http://www2.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php > > SDK is here: > https://wizzardsoftware.com/shopcart/shopcartgroup.php?Group=V52&qstrID= > but I want the tooling to be usable as a free thing. > > Of course, AT&T's is way better than Klatt... Awesome in fact. > > Phil > > > 2012/3/29 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > >> On 29 March 2012 17:19, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: >> > Ok. Smalltalk is old as well... >> > >> > No problem binding but OSX isn't Windows nor Linux. >> > >> > You are pushing me back to Squeak here! >> > >> And in your turn, you pushing us to maintain this plugin. >> But i cannot even answer the original question in this topic.. because >> nobody knows.. >> Now, do you really think, it is good practice of taking responsibility >> on something, which you have no any clue about? >> I think not. >> So, if you want to use Klatt, you can always stick with years old VMs, >> years old images, years old operating systems, years old >> documentation(s) (if you can find it) where it is working >> and made for. >> But we have to move forward, and often it means leaving things behind. >> And of course, if there's a guy who can raise a hand and say: hey, i >> can do it, i can improve it, i can maintain it, we would be just >> happy. >> >> > >> > 2012/3/29 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:36 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: >> >> >> >> > Don't. It is useful when working with kids! >> >> > >> >> >> >> I think we should focus and clean up loose ends. Klatt is *old*. If you >> >> want voice output, write binding for >> >> the OS'es voice output. >> >> >> >> Marcus' >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Philippe Back >> > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" >> > >> > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: >> phil(a)highoctane.be | >> > Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: >> > http://philippeback.be >> > >> > High Octane SPRL >> > rue cour Boisacq 101 >> > 1301 Bierges >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: > http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges > >

March 29, 2012

[Pharo-project] do we condense changes and declare 1.4 alpha -> 1.4 release ?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi do we condense changes and declare 1.4 alpha -> 1.4 release ? Stef

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] direct object manipulation

by Alexandre Bergel

>> AthensCairoSurfaceExamples example1. complains that the function is not available. The error has been raised by NBFFICallout. >> Is there something obvious I am missing? >> > did you installed cairo library (32bit)? > it is separate step. > > sudo port install cairo +universal I didn't, but wait. What does this intall? Why not to simply package the libraries with the VM? I tried once to use port/fink and I broke the internal of OSX, after having downloaded 500 Mb. Alexandre >> >> On 22 Mar 2012, at 14:01, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> On 23 March 2012 18:42, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: >>>> This is really cool. We have planned to make Roassal (code name for Mondrian2) work with Cairo. >>>> >>> >>> yes.. we adding last bells and whistles to Athens, with Fernando. >>> There's some parts missing, but you already can try it out. >>> >>> Gofer it 'SqS/Athens' >>> load: 'ConfigurationOfAthens' >>> >>> ConfigurationOfAthens project version: '0.1.3' load >>> >>> To run with cairo, you will need NB-enabled VM which is here: >>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ >>> >>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Le 22 mars 2012 Ã 08:55, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> Gaucho is under active development, so sadly i cant release it yet. >>>>> >>>>> The good news is that i'm using Athens[1], with a Cairo backend. so >>>>> the visual appearance is greatly improved from the previous version, >>>>> amongst other goodies such as a zoomable user interface. >>>>> >>>>> I'm almost ready for a release... >>>>> >>>>> Up to my knowledge, there's no other work related to Self and Morphic >>>>> Wrappers for Pharo. >>>>> >>>>> Fernando >>>>> >>>>> [1]http://computeradventures.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/athens-a-first-babyste… >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Francisco Garau >>>>> <francisco.garau(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> Hi - what packages can be used in latest Pharo to manipulate objects directly? >>>>>> >>>>>> I am thinking something like MorphicWrappers, NakedObjects or Gaucho. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Francisco >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko. >>> >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Simula? ;-) :) no smalltalk of course :) Stef

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] direct object manipulation

by phil＠highoctane.be

Just remove /opt/local from your default $PATH (Macports location) and add them when you open a terminal for sudo port install X Then you can't have port mess with OSX internals. That's the whole point of Macports: they have their own libraries to avoid such interference. Fink's another matter but I've moved to Macports. (Fink is in /sw so you can do the same to an extent). Phil 2012/3/29 Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > >> AthensCairoSurfaceExamples example1. complains that the function is not > available. The error has been raised by NBFFICallout. > >> Is there something obvious I am missing? > >> > > did you installed cairo library (32bit)? > > it is separate step. > > > > sudo port install cairo +universal > > I didn't, but wait. What does this intall? Why not to simply package the > libraries with the VM? > I tried once to use port/fink and I broke the internal of OSX, after > having downloaded 500 Mb. > > Alexandre > > > > >> > >> On 22 Mar 2012, at 14:01, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> > >>> On 23 March 2012 18:42, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> > wrote: > >>>> This is really cool. We have planned to make Roassal (code name for > Mondrian2) work with Cairo. > >>>> > >>> > >>> yes.. we adding last bells and whistles to Athens, with Fernando. > >>> There's some parts missing, but you already can try it out. > >>> > >>> Gofer it 'SqS/Athens' > >>> load: 'ConfigurationOfAthens' > >>> > >>> ConfigurationOfAthens project version: '0.1.3' load > >>> > >>> To run with cairo, you will need NB-enabled VM which is here: > >>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/NativeBoost/job/NB-Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> Alexandre > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Le 22 mars 2012 Ã 08:55, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> > a Ã©crit : > >>>> > >>>>> Gaucho is under active development, so sadly i cant release it yet. > >>>>> > >>>>> The good news is that i'm using Athens[1], with a Cairo backend. so > >>>>> the visual appearance is greatly improved from the previous version, > >>>>> amongst other goodies such as a zoomable user interface. > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm almost ready for a release... > >>>>> > >>>>> Up to my knowledge, there's no other work related to Self and Morphic > >>>>> Wrappers for Pharo. > >>>>> > >>>>> Fernando > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] > http://computeradventures.wordpress.com/2012/03/07/athens-a-first-babysteps/ > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Francisco Garau > >>>>> <francisco.garau(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>> Hi - what packages can be used in latest Pharo to manipulate > objects directly? > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am thinking something like MorphicWrappers, NakedObjects or > Gaucho. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Cheers, > >>>>>> Francisco > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best regards, > >>> Igor Stasenko. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

by phil＠highoctane.be

Simula? ;-) 2012/3/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > SciTalk > Mathalk > MathTalk > SmallMath > > :) > > On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > > > Yes sure. > > Anyone has a better name than SciSmalltalk ;-) ? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> serge > >> > >> could you start a wiki page with all the current resources? > >> Like that we get a first impression. > >> It would be good to think about package names too (I do not really like > DHB for example in the package name). > >> > >> Stef > >> > >> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Francisco Garau > >>> <francisco.garau(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> There is a GSoC project to have R-bindings in Smalltalk. > >>>> > >>>> That would be just amazing! > >>>> > >>>> Very useful for a lot of applications (including finance) > >>> > >>> Yes sure, this is great, but usually this kind of project (binding > >>> with another language) are quite difficult for student. > >>> The student need to know 2 different languages, and also how to use > >>> FFI to connect them. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> -- > >>> Serge Stinckwich > >>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > >>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Serge Stinckwich > > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > > > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Speech / KlattVoice

by phil＠highoctane.be

Well, I'll do some Klatt on my own then. This will be educative and I am stuck here for weeks, so .. In fact, I have got a pet project here that requires a number of features to work. One of them is the iOS VM being under control for targeting the iPad. Klatt may come in handy for having some of my test characters to talk (until the dialog feels right and I can use actual real voice talent). I've been using AT&T's natural voices for some things but this gives downloadable Wavs that aren't usable commercially. http://www2.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php SDK is here: https://wizzardsoftware.com/shopcart/shopcartgroup.php?Group=V52&qstrID= but I want the tooling to be usable as a free thing. Of course, AT&T's is way better than Klatt... Awesome in fact. Phil 2012/3/29 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > On 29 March 2012 17:19, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > > Ok. Smalltalk is old as well... > > > > No problem binding but OSX isn't Windows nor Linux. > > > > You are pushing me back to Squeak here! > > > And in your turn, you pushing us to maintain this plugin. > But i cannot even answer the original question in this topic.. because > nobody knows.. > Now, do you really think, it is good practice of taking responsibility > on something, which you have no any clue about? > I think not. > So, if you want to use Klatt, you can always stick with years old VMs, > years old images, years old operating systems, years old > documentation(s) (if you can find it) where it is working > and made for. > But we have to move forward, and often it means leaving things behind. > And of course, if there's a guy who can raise a hand and say: hey, i > can do it, i can improve it, i can maintain it, we would be just > happy. > > > > > 2012/3/29 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > >> > >> > >> On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:36 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > >> > >> > Don't. It is useful when working with kids! > >> > > >> > >> I think we should focus and clean up loose ends. Klatt is *old*. If you > >> want voice output, write binding for > >> the OS'es voice output. > >> > >> Marcus' > >> > >> -- > >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Philippe Back > > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: > phil(a)highoctane.be | > > Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > > http://philippeback.be > > > > High Octane SPRL > > rue cour Boisacq 101 > > 1301 Bierges > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

by phil＠highoctane.be

The R language works with large agregates and makes me think of APL at times. Things like rbind, merge, or factor coupled with graphical plots are really nice to have. This is different from collections. More like OOPAL and F-Script actually. Maybe the A part is mandatory to get the R part to work smoothly. Phil 2012/3/29 Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> > It would indeed. Bringing R "inside the image" would be very helpful, > and would lead to all kinds of abstractions, making life easier. I > recently bought "The Art of R Programming" and have had time to only skim > it. I will admit that the author's enthusiasm is a bit infectious. The R > language might not be *quite* as bad as I think, though I still see it as > syntax over substance run amok. > > At one point, I *really* tried to like Visual Basic - this was a long time > ago. But every question got answered with "the SYNTAX for that is ..." - > R seems much the same way. Very few users think in terms of objects, > behavior and re-use. With bindings, we could change that (for us at least). > > Bill > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Francisco Garau > [francisco.garau(a)gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 29, 2012 5:19 AM > *To:* Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > *Subject:* Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk > > There is a GSoC project to have R-bindings in Smalltalk. > > That would be just amazing! > > Very useful for a lot of applications (including finance) > > On 28 March 2012 15:21, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > >> It would be great to stab the R beast through the heart. But it will be >> tough go given the richness of analyses that R can do. I have been >> tinkering with PLplot for a while, but there are some graphs for R is >> simply more capable, and the modeling and tests are undeniably powerful. >> >> Bill >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ >> pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Alexandre >> Bergel [alexandre.bergel(a)me.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:44 AM >> To: Moose-related development >> Cc: Pharo Development >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk >> >> Hi Serge! >> >> I welcome very much this initiative. >> Something that I believe is important, is an pdf graph exporter (maybe >> based on EyeSee) and the various test distribution (e.g., CHI). The fact >> that these two are missing is exactly the reason why I use R and Numbers >> instead of Pharo. >> >> I sincerely believe that Pharo can be an alternative to R and Maple. A >> bit more is needed from our side however. >> >> Alexandre >> >> >> On 27 Mar 2012, at 21:38, Serge Stinckwich wrote: >> >> > Dear all, >> > >> > we already discuss about that in the moose and pharo mailing-list. >> > Maybe this is too late, but please find a small proposal for gsoc 2012 >> below. >> > >> > ================================================================ >> > >> > Name: SciSmalltalk >> > Level: Intermediate >> > Possible mentor: Serge Stinckwich >> > Possible second mentor: ? >> > >> > Description >> > Smalltalk has at that time no equivalent to mathematical libraries >> > like NumPy, SciPy (Python) or SciRuby (Ruby). >> > The goal of the SciSmalltalk project is to develop an open-source >> > library of mathematical for the Smalltalk programming language (MIT >> > Licence). >> > >> > Technical Details >> > The development of this project is to be done in Pharo Smalltalk, but >> > the code should be portable to other Smalltalk flavors. >> > Numerous Smalltalk projects provide already some basic functionalities >> > (complex and quaternions extensions, random number generator, fuzzy >> > algorithms, LAPACK linear algebra package, Didier Besset's numerical >> > methods, ...). A first task will be to do an audit of all the existing >> > projects that provide some mathematical stuff and build a Pharo >> > Configuration to load them in a fresh Pharo Smalltalk image. After >> > that, the student help by his/her mentors will decide what are the >> > numeric algorithms to develop in priority. >> > >> > The student will need to know some basic numeric algorithms usually >> > found in such libraries. >> > Units tests should also be provided. >> > >> > Benefits to the Student >> > The student will help the Smalltalk community in a very concrete way. >> > The student will learn to design well-designed code with tests. >> > >> > Benefits to the Community >> > Having a package providing more elaborate numeric libraries is really >> > important to develop the use Smalltalk in new domains (robotics, high >> > performance computing, computer vision, bio-computing, ...). The lack >> > of numeric librairies hamper the use of the Smalltalk in a scientific >> > context at the moment. An another goal of this project is to develop a >> > community of people interested by these topic. >> > >> > Regards, >> > -- >> > Serge Stinckwich >> > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >> > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Moose-dev mailing list >> > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev >> >> -- >> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- Philippe Back "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be| Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: http://philippeback.be High Octane SPRL rue cour Boisacq 101 1301 Bierges

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] SciSmalltalk

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

SciTalk Mathalk MathTalk SmallMath :) On Mar 29, 2012, at 3:12 PM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: > Yes sure. > Anyone has a better name than SciSmalltalk ;-) ? > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 5:57 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> serge >> >> could you start a wiki page with all the current resources? >> Like that we get a first impression. >> It would be good to think about package names too (I do not really like DHB for example in the package name). >> >> Stef >> >> On Mar 29, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Serge Stinckwich wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Francisco Garau >>> <francisco.garau(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> There is a GSoC project to have R-bindings in Smalltalk. >>>> >>>> That would be just amazing! >>>> >>>> Very useful for a lot of applications (including finance) >>> >>> Yes sure, this is great, but usually this kind of project (binding >>> with another language) are quite difficult for student. >>> The student need to know 2 different languages, and also how to use >>> FFI to connect them. >>> >>> Regards, >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >

March 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Speech / KlattVoice

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

my kids are speaking french and klatt does not support it either. in 2005 we bridge together a tagger and voice on linux. Stef On Mar 29, 2012, at 5:19 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > Ok. Smalltalk is old as well... > > No problem binding but OSX isn't Windows nor Linux. > > You are pushing me back to Squeak here! > > 2012/3/29 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> > > On Mar 29, 2012, at 4:36 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be wrote: > > > Don't. It is useful when working with kids! > > > > I think we should focus and clean up loose ends. Klatt is *old*. If you want voice output, write binding for > the OS'es voice output. > > Marcus' > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > > > > -- > Philippe Back > "Helping you hit the top 3 outcomes you really want to achieve" > > Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail: phil(a)highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu | Blog: > http://philippeback.be > > High Octane SPRL > rue cour Boisacq 101 > 1301 Bierges >

March 29, 2012