March 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Windows Installer (was: direct object manipulation)

by Torsten Bergmann

>Yes, and for consistency. Either we go "installer for all three platforms", >or not. Having a one-click for all but windows in addition ist just >confusing. People often provide ZIP or TARs in open source projects for non-Windows and special windows installers for M$ users. Its not uncommmon. So the user can choose which one he wants to use. It will only be confusing if an image in a x.y one click version of Pharo is different than in a Win32 setup with the same version. But this should be solved when all is based on the same Jenkins-built image as common source. There are good installers for all major platforms - but only commercial. Dont know about free installer projects for non-Windows platforms. Why not provide an installer depend on the environment and which one the user expects: For Linux I think an "apt-get pharo" would be suited similar to Squeak and for Windows a wizard guided installer. >Does it make sense to have a download of 1.2 on the download page? Maybe I'm blind - but on the download page for the 1.2 version - YES: http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/release-1-2 Bye T. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

March 31, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Windows Installer (was: direct object manipulation)

by Marcus Denker

On Mar 31, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>> I want a good installer for each platform :) >>> >> For newspeak there is a native installer for Mac OS and Windows. > > We already have/had a native Installer for Pharo on Windows. > > I already posted the script and resources for the free NSIS installer > already on the list and also gave it to Igor. > > I've built them manually in the past. The idea was that the Jenkins > Windows Slave should automatically build the setup. Looks like this > is not yet done - maybe for time reasons. Yes, and for consistency. Either we go "installer for all three platforms", or not. Having a one-click for all but windows in addition ist just confusing. > I wonder why they are > removed from the homepages download section? > Does it make sense to have a download of 1.2 on the download page? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

March 31, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Windows Installer (was: direct object manipulation)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

This is simple. The windows slave was a hell to make run. We got a lot of problems because of specific networks structure of our local INRIA setup. Now this is somehow solved and by october we will move the a real jenkins service (we were beta testers for inria). I imagine that soon we will do one installer per platform. Stef On Mar 31, 2012, at 10:42 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >>> I want a good installer for each platform :) >>> >> For newspeak there is a native installer for Mac OS and Windows. > > We already have/had a native Installer for Pharo on Windows. > > I already posted the script and resources for the free NSIS installer > already on the list and also gave it to Igor. > > I've built them manually in the past. The idea was that the Jenkins > Windows Slave should automatically build the setup. Looks like this > is not yet done - maybe for time reasons. I wonder why they are > removed from the homepages download section? > > However - one can still access the setup exe files at the inria files > section [2] under "Pharo Win32 Setup". > > I still think that such an installer (which is standard on windows) > is helpful for better adoption. > > Bye > T. > > > [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr/msg09522.ht… > > [2] https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299&release_id=5962#pharo-win32-setu… > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >

March 31, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Voice reader support for Pharo

by S Krish

Will try the MBrola/Tagger brill.. But here is something I have been trying in a set of pics..! The Photo-Book or better called Drawing-book ( an amateurish ebook with pics) with read aloud capability is funky.. and quite attractive for my six yr old daughter, converts her quick drgs into a read aloud book... and also to a bunch of interns. Took a few hours to hook up these. But has serious use too for better user guide/ presentations than pdf docs et als.. if products like to use this presentation... now in 2D and probably later in 3D with openGL.. PS: I think one could go for a packaged Pharo named: "Fundoos (Pharo) Smalltalk" , fundoos - a local slang in colleges for something fun.. Give the teenagers something packaged to play with .. eventually like the Toy Story of iPad... interactive fun.. that motivates them to try more out of the platform base.. later. On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 1:43 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > in 2005 we bound together MBrola and tagger brill (see the doc I sent you) > because klatt does not work for french. > > Now we did not tried since. But we are interested in supporting you in > your attempt. > So let us know us any problems you may get. > Stef > > On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I'm one of the newcomers registering recently on the mailing list. I'm > trying to see if a colleague of mine, blind, could use Pharo and for that > it would be necessary to be able to read aloud the contents of the Pharo > morphs to a screen reader such as Orca (and a brltty output). Has anybody > worked on that ? > > > > Thierry > > -- > > Thierry Goubier > > CEA list > > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > > France > > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 > > > > >

March 31, 2012

[Pharo-project] Windows Installer (was: direct object manipulation)

by Torsten Bergmann

>> I want a good installer for each platform :) >> >For newspeak there is a native installer for Mac OS and Windows. We already have/had a native Installer for Pharo on Windows. I already posted the script and resources for the free NSIS installer already on the list and also gave it to Igor. I've built them manually in the past. The idea was that the Jenkins Windows Slave should automatically build the setup. Looks like this is not yet done - maybe for time reasons. I wonder why they are removed from the homepages download section? However - one can still access the setup exe files at the inria files section [2] under "Pharo Win32 Setup". I still think that such an installer (which is standard on windows) is helpful for better adoption. Bye T. [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr/msg09522.ht… [2] https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299&release_id=5962#pharo-win32-setu… -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

March 31, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo1.4a#14407 one-click tests failing

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

submitted ! http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5572 On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 3:57 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On Mar 31, 2012, at 6:56 AM, Martin Sandiford wrote: > > > There was a bug in timestamp handling for .changes that looks like it > > was integrated in #14410. > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5461 > > > > Without digging further, it looks like this might be the issue with > > the two items below. I'd try a newer image. > > > > Yes, this has been fixed and what is shows is that the one-click build is > not > using the latest image.... I guess because it's build is not triggered > automatically. > > Will be fixed. > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > >

March 31, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] type-inference: it works!

by Francisco Garau

Will come to you after my holiday break ... On Saturday, 31 March 2012, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 30 March 2012 23:56, Francisco Garau <francisco.garau(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Another interesting read, is from Peter Ahe who applied the same sort of >> analysis to the Resilient Smalltalk. >> >> http://tinyurl.com/cz9kslu >> >> I have some slides explaining my work. I can email them to you, if you >> wish. > > That would be great! > > One thing I've not taken the time to figure out is the relationship > (if any) between the approach in Concrete Type Inference and Olin > Shivers et al's k-CFA approach. k-CFA is also an abstract interpreter, > but I don't know if it's just same in the name, or how the two > approaches differ. > > Shivers also uses variants of CFA for things like tracking garbage > collection. A recent paper by Matt Might titled "Abstracting Abstract > Machines (http://matt.might.net/papers/vanhorn2010abstract.pdf) covers > the various uses to which CFA can be put. > > frank > >> Cheers, >> Francisco >> >> >> >> On 30 March 2012 22:19, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> In case anyone's interested in the paper behind Francisco's work >>> (thanks Francisco!), you can find "Concrete Type Inference: Delivering >>> Object Oriented Applications" here: >>> https://labs.oracle.com/technical-reports/1996/smli_tr-96-52.pdf >>> >>> Interestingly, typing 'Display boundBox' fails in Squeak trunk because >>> "UndefinedObject won't understand #origin:corner:". Odd, since >>> evaluating same will happily return a Rectangle. I'll look into it and >>> see what I can find. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> frank >>> >>> On 30 March 2012 14:33, Francisco Garau <francisco.garau(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > No unit tests, sorry... >>> > >>> > Is not profiling, it's abstract intrepretation using types instead of >>> > objects. >>> > >>> > - Francisco >>> > >>> > >>> > On 30 Mar 2012, at 15:15, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Francisco, >>> > >>> > I've tried your implementation. It seems to work in Pharo 1.4. Do you >>> > have >>> > unit test somewhere? >>> > How does your profiler work? From what you have said in your email, it >>> > seems >>> > you are profiling the execution. Is that true? >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Alexandre >>> > >>> > >>> > On 29 Mar 2012, at 18:47, Francisco Garau wrote: >>> > >>> > Load the attached ChangeSets: first Ti-Engine and then Ti-Support. >>> > >>> > You could then evaluate the below expressions -- watch the Transcript to >>> > see >>> > which methods are being analysed. >>> > >>> > TiSystem current reset. >>> > string := '3 + 4'. >>> > Compiler new analyze: string in: nil to: nil notifying: nil ifFail: [1]. >>> > "=> return {<SmallInteger>} " >>> > >>> > TiSystem current reset. >>> > string := 'Display boundingBox'. >>> > Compiler new analyze: string in: nil to: nil notifying: nil ifFail: [1]. >>> > "=> return {<Rectangle origin: <Point x: <SmallInteger> y: >>> > <SmallInteger>> >>> > corner: <Point x: <SmallInteger> y: <SmallInteger>>>}" >>> > >>> > TiSystem current explore. >>> > >>> > >>> > Analysing 'Display boundingBox' shows a couple of surprises: >>> > >>> > The code never goes through the #new method (it creates objects using >>> > #basicNew and #@) >>> > Object code goes through Object>>value but knowing that the >>> > implementation >>> > just answers self, it could be easily optimised. >>> > >>> > >>> > I will try to package it more nicely under Monticello -- there are still >>> > a >>> > few rough edges that need to be polished before getting it to the same >>> > state >>> > it was in 2001... >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Francisco >>> > <Ti-Engine.2.cs><Ti-Support.2.cs> >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >> > >

March 31, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Shootout benchmarking copied to ss3

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

excellent Jean-baptiste where did you publish the benchmarks you rescued? Stef On Mar 31, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > These benchmarks are good, so I took the port of Eliot from Cog VMMaker and made a package of its own. > Since I cannot create a new project on squeaksource, I decided to try SS3. > > See > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Shootout.html/ > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Shootout.html/Wiki > http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php > > Nicolas

March 31, 2012

[Pharo-project] [ANN] Shootout benchmarking copied to ss3

by Nicolas Cellier

These benchmarks are good, so I took the port of Eliot from Cog VMMaker and made a package of its own. Since I cannot create a new project on squeaksource, I decided to try SS3. See http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Shootout.html/ http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Shootout.html/Wiki http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php Nicolas

March 31, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Collection new printString make the image hanging

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> > 13315 is very old. The current version is 13327... and your problem sounds like something we fixed a long time ago. +1 > > >> By evaluating some tests again the emergency evaluator pop up (Pharo doesn't like me lately :) ). >> This time at least I figure that some elements i use in the tests do not print properly: >> >> <error in printString: evaluate "collection printString" to debug> >> so if you do >> >> Collection new printString. >> >> the image seems to hang the only was to stop it is to do command period. >> >> In 1.4 at least the debugger pops up telling that "do:" should be implemented in a subclass. To make the image hang you should do >> > Collection is an abstract class and should not be instantiated. +1 > >> SequenceableCollection new printString. >> >> I don't know if those are suppose to be bugs or my inappropriate use of Collection and SequenceableCollection. I just reported. > > > SequencableCollection is an abstract class and should not be instantiated. + 1 > But that it freezes is strange, it should report an error as soon as a subclassresponsibility is encounterd (like Collection) Marcus we fixed that in 1.4. I'm not sure it was back ported to 1.3. Stef

March 31, 2012