February 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with OpenGL visual creation on linux

by Igor Stasenko

On 18 February 2012 04:15, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> wrote: > After one day of very low level debugging I found part of the problem. I'll > explain because maybe I'm doing something wrong. > > There seem to be a duplicated load of the opengl library, one for statically > linked calls and other dynamically loaded. > > I tried in gdb > > $> p listVisuals() > which calls directly to XGetVisualInfo and worked (found ~84 visuals). > > then I tried something more interesting, by manually calling > display_ioGLcreateContext from gdb, which calls glXChooseVisual. And it > worked again. > > After much debugging, I found that loading glXGetProcAddress dynamically > with dlsym from /usr/lib/libGL.so gave an address different to the one gdb > gives if directly doing > > $> p glXGetProcAddress("glXChooseVisual") > > so there are 2 glXGetProcAddress. This is because one is loaded with dlsym > (1) and the other is loaded automatically because the vm is linked against > libGL (2). Calling (1) to get addresses of gl functions gives different > addresses for all functions than calling (2). > > Calling glXChooseVisual with the address fetched by (1) fails, but if using > (2) it works. This is really strange to me.Â The way to fix it is to get > glXGetProcAddress from NativeBoost VMModule instead of '/usr/lib/libGL.so'. > > Now with this I have the opengl example almost working in linux (I hope). > I hoped that it is not so at least on Linux. But now , you see yourself, why i had to customize a "make call" and function lookup logic in OpenGL API. Exactly because of that. One should use glXGetProcAddress for fetching the function pointers, but in addition to that, depending on context which is currently active, a different function(s) can be available (or not). So, it is late bound (similar to per-class dictionary in smalltalk). This is why every instance of NBOpenGLAPI holds a list of function pointers and fills them dynamically. > On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> ok, so >> >> If no conforming visual exists, NULL is returned. >> It is hard to imagine, that these attributes not supported >> >> Â {GLX_RGBA. GLX_DEPTH_SIZE. >> Â 24. >> GLX_DOUBLEBUFFER. 0} >> >> the code seems to be fine. >> >> This is what i found: >> >> ------- >> http://www.opengl.org/wiki/Programming_OpenGL_in_Linux:_GLX_and_Xlib >> >> If glXChooseVisual returns with success, the visual's id will be >> output. If NULL is returned, there is no visual that fulfills your >> needs. In that case, check the output of glxinfo again. Maybe you have >> to use a different depth buffer size (GLX_DEPTH_SIZE, 16 instead of >> GLX_DEPTH_SIZE, 24), or you could even have to remove the >> GLX_DEPTH_SIZE (or the GLX_DOUBLEBUFFER) entry. This should be >> considered especially if you want to create programs not only for your >> computer, but for other ones: You should code your program in a way >> that it can check a list of different combinations of visual >> attributes, because the capabilities depend heavily on the hardware. >> ----- >> They also using >> vi = glXChooseVisual(dpy, 0, att); >> >> second argument = 0. not #defaultScreen. >> > > yes, I tried all this. first with 0, then with defaultScreen, which returns > 0. > >> >> On 10 February 2012 19:59, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > yes, notice that it is in a different >> > repo:Â http://www.squeaksource.com/NBXLib >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:53 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10 February 2012 19:48, Javier PimÃ¡s <elpochodelagente(a)gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> > To load NBOpenGL-X package you need to load NBXLib-core first >> >> > >> >> i don't see it. did you uploaded it? >> >> >> >> > >> >> > On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Btw, javier i cannot load your package to check what you did: >> >> >> >> >> >> This package depends on the following classes: >> >> >> Â NBXLibConstants >> >> >> You must resolve these dependencies before you will be able to load >> >> >> these definitions: >> >> >> Â NBGLXContextDriver >> >> >> Â supportsCurrentPlatform >> >> >> Â createContext: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 10 February 2012 19:34, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > On 10 February 2012 19:19, Lawson English <lenglish5(a)cox.net> >> >> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Is that code even ready for consumption? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I was told that until there is a new ConfigurationOfNBOpenGL >> >> >> >> ready, >> >> >> >> to >> >> >> >> not >> >> >> >> load the new packages. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > you could try :) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > but this is what i working on now (slowly integrating the parts of >> >> >> > Javier's code, >> >> >> > because not everything which he did i like ;) >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> L. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 2/10/12 10:12 AM, Javier PimÃ¡s wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I'm trying to create an OpenGL context on linux but >> >> >> >> glxChooseVisual >> >> >> >> fails. >> >> >> >> Maybe there's someone there experienced with this that can help. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The code I'm trying is: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> display := NBXLibDisplay open. >> >> >> >> window := display defaultRootWindow. >> >> >> >> visualInfo := NBXLibVisualInfo fromPointer: (gl chooseVisual: >> >> >> >> display >> >> >> >> screen: display defaultScreen attributes: {GLX_RGBA. >> >> >> >> GLX_DEPTH_SIZE. >> >> >> >> 24. >> >> >> >> GLX_DOUBLEBUFFER. 0} asWordArray). >> >> >> >> ... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> but chooseVisual returns a null pointer. I even tried putting an >> >> >> >> array >> >> >> >> with >> >> >> >> only 0 on attributes but didn't work either (and these attributes >> >> >> >> should be >> >> >> >> supported). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Any idea of what could be wrong? The code is available to test in >> >> >> >> squeaksource, you need nativeboost+NBXLib to try >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Javier >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> >> Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s >> >> >> >> Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -- >> >> >> > Best regards, >> >> >> > Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s >> >> > Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best regards, >> >> Igor Stasenko. >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s >> > Ciudad de Buenos Aires >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > > > > -- > Lic. Javier PimÃ¡s > Ciudad de Buenos Aires -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 19, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] question about configuration

by Fabrizio Perin

Thanks a lot Mariano for the quick answer I will take a look the chapter to. Cheers, Fabrizio 2012/2/19 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com > > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I have a question about metacello configuration. Given the following >> default method: >> >> *ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL>>default: spec >> <version: 'default'> >> >> spec for: #common do: [ >> spec blessing: #default. >> spec repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Moose'. >> >> spec project: 'PetitSQLParser for MooseJEE' with: [ >> spec >> className: 'ConfigurationOfPetitSQLParser'; >> file: 'ConfigurationOfPetitSQLParser'; >> version: 'default'; >> repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/PetitSQLParser' >> ]. >> >> spec >> "Core" >> package: 'Famix-SQL'; >> >> "importers" >> package: 'Moose-SQL-Importer' with: [spec requires: >> #('PetitSQLParser for MooseJEE' 'Famix-SQL').]; >> >> "Tests" >> package: 'Famix-Tests-SQL'with: [spec requires: 'Famix-SQL']; >> package: 'Moose-Tests-SQL-Importer' with: [spec requires: >> 'Moose-SQL-Importer']. >> >> >> spec group: 'Model' with: #('Famix-SQL'). >> spec group: 'Model-Tests' with: #('Famix-Tests-SQL'). >> >> spec group: 'Importer' with: #('Moose-SQL-Importer'). >> spec group: 'Importer-Tests' with: #('Moose-Tests-SQL-Importer'). >> >> spec group: 'default' with: #('Model' 'Importer'). >> ]* >> >> When I ask to load default. What metacello look at: the pragma, the >> blessing: or the group:? >> > > depend what are you talking about. Version or packages/groups? > > > *ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project xxxVersion load -> that loads the > default packages/groups, in you case, ** spec group: 'default' with: > #('Model' 'Importer'). > In that case you load a version XXX and from that version you load the > default packages/groups > > **(ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project version: 'default') *load -> the > same as the previous one, but instead of version XXX you load version > 'default'. > Notice that Metacello knows NOTHING about calling versions as "default". > That's something I saw in moose guys.* > * > >> >> It would be possible to load just the Model group? and How can I do that? >> >> > *ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project xxxVersion load*: 'Model'. > *(ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project version: 'default') *load: 'Model'. > > I recommend you to read the Metacello chapter: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28462/Metacello.pdf > > Cheers > > >> Thanks a lot, >> Fabrizio >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

Feb. 19, 2012

[Pharo-project] where is ORChangesBrowser

by Fabrizio Perin

Hi, There is some code in moose (in FMDefaultCodeGenerator) which use ORChangesBrowser but the class is not in the system. Was the class removed in 1.4 or we do not load the proper package? Cheers, Fabrizio

Feb. 19, 2012

[Pharo-project] Why do we use Pharo? a.k.a. rethinking Pharo marketing

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I would like to get from you why you use Pharo? After thinking a lot about that recently I think that I would like to have something like that: Pharo a plastic language to build evolvable and debuggable applications. With Pharo and its ecosystem you can build powerful tools (web application, data management, business processesâ¦). Pharo philosophy is driven by domain driven design. Modeling is agile. Pharo is an executable modeling language. Pharo is not only a language but an infrastructure with powerful tools like Moose. Plastic = "(in science and technology) of or relating to the permanent deformation of a solid without fracture by the temporary application of force." Pharo: ease of modeling, essence of agile, close to objects all the time. Stef

Feb. 19, 2012

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14340

by Marcus Denker

14340 ----- Issue 4929: #[ in a workspace raises an exception http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4929 Issue 5326: New method in AbstractTool http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5326 Issue 5330: PluggableListMorph little hack to speed it up a bit http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5330 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Feb. 19, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] configuring moose

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Impressive. It is really good to know that Pharo can do this, excellent stress test and validation. (But there are lots of doubles in the list ;-) Sven On 19 Feb 2012, at 12:18, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Moose :) > > > > Stef > >> From: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> >> Subject: [Moose-dev] configuring moose >> Date: February 19, 2012 11:16:37 AM GMT+01:00 >> To: Moose-dev Moose Dev <moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> Reply-To: Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> >> Hi, >> >> We are looking into how to reconfigure Moose. >> >> The challenge is not that tiny. Here is the list of packages we currently load: >> >> >> load : Moose-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-KGB >> load : Famix-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-LAN >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-Core >> load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageTwo >> load : Famix-Tests-Java >> load : Moose-GenericImporter >> load : Moose-SmalltalkImporter >> load : Moose-MonticelloImporter >> load : Moose-Hismo >> load : Famix-Core >> load : Dynamix-Core >> load : Famix-SourceAnchor >> load : Famix-C >> load : Famix-Java >> load : Famix-Implementation >> load : Moose-Algos-Graph >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Graph >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-LinearAlgebra >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Clustering >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-InformationRetrieval >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis >> load : Moose-Algos-Clustering >> load : Moose-Algos-LinearAlgebra >> load : Moose-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis >> load : Moose-Algos-Lattice >> load : Moose-Algos-InformationRetrieval >> load : Famix-Extensions >> load : PetitParser >> load : PetitTests >> load : PetitAnalyzer >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Glamour-Announcements >> load : Glamour-Helpers >> load : Glamour-Core >> load : Glamour-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Browsers >> load : Glamour-Tests-Core >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme >> load : Glamour-Examples >> load : Glamour-Tools >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer >> load : Keymapping-Shortcuts >> load : BDDExtensions >> load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic >> load : HealthReportProducer >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Nile-Base >> load : Mondrian-ComplexShape >> load : Mondrian-Core >> load : Mondrian-Layouts >> load : Mondrian-Help >> load : Mondrian-Easel >> load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests >> load : Mondrian-Shapes >> load : Mondrian-Events >> load : Mondrian-Visitor >> load : Mondrian-Util >> load : Mondrian-Normalizers >> load : Mondrian-Example >> load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor >> load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic >> load : Mondrian-Tests >> load : Mondrian-FADELayout >> load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian >> load : EyeSee-Events >> load : EyeSee-Axis >> load : EyeSee-Tests-Core >> load : EyeSee-Support >> load : EyeSee-Core >> load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee >> load : Magritte-Model >> load : Magritte-Pharo-Model >> load : Magritte-Morph >> load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations >> load : Magritte-Tests-Model >> load : PetitGui >> load : PetitSmalltalk >> load : PetitJava >> load : PetitMSE >> load : PetitSQLite-Parser >> load : PetitSQLite-AST >> load : PetitSQLite-Tests-Parser >> load : Moose-Finder >> load : Moose-Tests-Finder >> load : Arki-Reporter-Browser >> load : Moose-Settings >> load : Moose-MultiDimensionsDistributionMap >> load : Moose-MondrianPaintings >> load : Moose-Tests-MondrianPaintings >> load : MondrianGraphVizLayout >> load : Moose-DistributionMap >> load : Moose-Tests-DistributionMap >> load : Moose-Wizard >> load : Famix-File >> load : Moose-Algos-Dsm >> load : Moose-Dsm-Core >> load : Moose-CycleTable >> load : Moose-Dsm-Visualization-Core >> load : Moose-Dsm-Example >> load : Moose-Dsm-Visualization-Famix >> load : Moose-Dsm-Famix >> load : ConfigurationOfMoose >> load : SmallDude-Utils >> load : SmallDude-Species >> load : SmallDude-Tests-Text >> load : RoelTyper >> load : Nile-Base >> load : Hashtable >> load : OSProcess >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Moose-Help >> load : Famix-Specifications >> load : Arki-Reporter-Core >> load : Arki-Tests-Reporter >> load : Famix-Tests-C >> load : Famix-Tests-Extensions >> load : Dynamix-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Development-Tools >> load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-Core >> load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageOne >> load : Moose-TestResources-LAN >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P4FullInteracted >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P6InteractedReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P5FullReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P1FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P2InteractedReferencerReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P3InteractedReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P7ReferencerReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P8FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P9FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P10InteractedReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P11FullReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P12FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P13FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P14FullReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-PExtensions >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P1 >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P2 >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P3 >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P4 >> load : Moose-Tests-MonticelloImporter >> load : Fame-Core >> load : Fame-Util >> load : Fame-ImportExport >> load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding >> load : Fame-Example >> load : Phexample >> load : Fame-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Core >> load : Moose-EyeSeeCharts >> load : Moose-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-KGB >> load : Famix-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-LAN >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-Core >> load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageTwo >> load : Famix-Tests-Java >> load : Moose-GenericImporter >> load : Moose-SmalltalkImporter >> load : Moose-MonticelloImporter >> load : Moose-Hismo >> load : Famix-Core >> load : Dynamix-Core >> load : Famix-SourceAnchor >> load : Famix-C >> load : Famix-Java >> load : Famix-Implementation >> load : Moose-Algos-Graph >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Graph >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-LinearAlgebra >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Clustering >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-InformationRetrieval >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis >> load : Moose-Algos-Clustering >> load : Moose-Algos-LinearAlgebra >> load : Moose-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis >> load : Moose-Algos-Lattice >> load : Moose-Algos-InformationRetrieval >> load : Famix-Extensions >> load : PetitParser >> load : PetitTests >> load : PetitAnalyzer >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Glamour-Announcements >> load : Glamour-Helpers >> load : Glamour-Core >> load : Glamour-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Browsers >> load : Glamour-Tests-Core >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme >> load : Glamour-Examples >> load : Glamour-Tools >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer >> load : Keymapping-Shortcuts >> load : BDDExtensions >> load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic >> load : HealthReportProducer >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Nile-Base >> load : Mondrian-ComplexShape >> load : Mondrian-Core >> load : Mondrian-Layouts >> load : Mondrian-Help >> load : Mondrian-Easel >> load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests >> load : Mondrian-Shapes >> load : Mondrian-Events >> load : Mondrian-Visitor >> load : Mondrian-Util >> load : Mondrian-Normalizers >> load : Mondrian-Example >> load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor >> load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic >> load : Mondrian-Tests >> load : Mondrian-FADELayout >> load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian >> load : EyeSee-Events >> load : EyeSee-Axis >> load : EyeSee-Tests-Core >> load : EyeSee-Support >> load : EyeSee-Core >> load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee >> load : Magritte-Model >> load : Magritte-Pharo-Model >> load : Magritte-Morph >> load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations >> load : Magritte-Tests-Model >> load : PetitGui >> load : PetitSmalltalk >> load : PetitJava >> load : PetitMSE >> load : PetitSQLite-Parser >> load : PetitSQLite-AST >> load : PetitSQLite-Tests-Parser >> load : Moose-Finder >> load : Moose-Tests-Finder >> load : Arki-Reporter-Browser >> load : Moose-Settings >> load : Moose-MultiDimensionsDistributionMap >> load : Moose-MondrianPaintings >> load : Moose-Tests-MondrianPaintings >> load : MondrianGraphVizLayout >> load : Moose-DistributionMap >> load : Moose-Tests-DistributionMap >> load : Moose-Wizard >> load : Famix-File >> load : SmallDude-Core >> load : SmallDude-Text >> load : SmallDude-Tests-Core >> load : SmallDude-Moose >> load : Kumpel-Tests-Core >> load : Kumpel-Tests-Importer >> load : RoelTyper >> load : Nile-Base >> load : Hashtable >> load : OSProcess >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Moose-Help >> load : Famix-Specifications >> load : Arki-Reporter-Core >> load : Arki-Tests-Reporter >> load : Famix-Tests-C >> load : Famix-Tests-Extensions >> load : Dynamix-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Development-Tools >> load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-Core >> load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageOne >> load : Moose-TestResources-LAN >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P4FullInteracted >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P6InteractedReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P5FullReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P1FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P2InteractedReferencerReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P3InteractedReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P7ReferencerReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P8FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P9FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P10InteractedReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P11FullReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P12FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P13FullReferencer >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P14FullReferee >> load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-PExtensions >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P1 >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P2 >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P3 >> load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P4 >> load : Moose-Tests-MonticelloImporter >> load : Fame-Core >> load : Fame-Util >> load : Fame-ImportExport >> load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding >> load : Fame-Example >> load : Phexample >> load : Fame-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Core >> load : Moose-EyeSeeCharts >> load : Moose-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-KGB >> load : Famix-Tests-Core >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-LAN >> load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-Core >> load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageTwo >> load : Famix-Tests-Java >> load : Moose-GenericImporter >> load : Moose-SmalltalkImporter >> load : Moose-MonticelloImporter >> load : Moose-Hismo >> load : Famix-Core >> load : Dynamix-Core >> load : Famix-SourceAnchor >> load : Famix-C >> load : Famix-Java >> load : Famix-Implementation >> load : Moose-Algos-Graph >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Graph >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-LinearAlgebra >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Clustering >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-InformationRetrieval >> load : Moose-Tests-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis >> load : Moose-Algos-Clustering >> load : Moose-Algos-LinearAlgebra >> load : Moose-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis >> load : Moose-Algos-Lattice >> load : Moose-Algos-InformationRetrieval >> load : Famix-Extensions >> load : PetitParser >> load : PetitTests >> load : PetitAnalyzer >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Glamour-Announcements >> load : Glamour-Helpers >> load : Glamour-Core >> load : Glamour-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Browsers >> load : Glamour-Tests-Core >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme >> load : Glamour-Examples >> load : Glamour-Tools >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets >> load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer >> load : Keymapping-Shortcuts >> load : BDDExtensions >> load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic >> load : HealthReportProducer >> load : CollectionExtensions >> load : Nile-Base >> load : Mondrian-ComplexShape >> load : Mondrian-Core >> load : Mondrian-Layouts >> load : Mondrian-Help >> load : Mondrian-Easel >> load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests >> load : Mondrian-Shapes >> load : Mondrian-Events >> load : Mondrian-Visitor >> load : Mondrian-Util >> load : Mondrian-Normalizers >> load : Mondrian-Example >> load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor >> load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic >> load : Mondrian-Tests >> load : Mondrian-FADELayout >> load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian >> load : EyeSee-Events >> load : EyeSee-Axis >> load : EyeSee-Tests-Core >> load : EyeSee-Support >> load : EyeSee-Core >> load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations >> load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee >> load : Magritte-Model >> load : Magritte-Pharo-Model >> load : Magritte-Morph >> load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations >> load : Magritte-Tests-Model >> load : PetitGui >> load : PetitSmalltalk >> load : PetitJava >> load : PetitMSE >> load : PetitSQLite-Parser >> load : PetitSQLite-AST >> load : PetitSQLite-Tests-Parser >> load : Moose-Finder >> load : Moose-Tests-Finder >> load : Arki-Reporter-Browser >> load : Moose-Settings >> load : Moose-MultiDimensionsDistributionMap >> load : Moose-MondrianPaintings >> load : Moose-Tests-MondrianPaintings >> load : MondrianGraphVizLayout >> load : Moose-DistributionMap >> load : Moose-Tests-DistributionMap >> load : Moose-Wizard >> load : Famix-File >> load : Kumpel-Core >> load : Kumpel-Importer >> load : Magritte-Model >> load : Magritte-Pharo-Model >> load : Magritte-Morph >> load : Magritte-Tests-Model >> load : Fame-Core >> load : Fame-Util >> load : Fame-ImportExport >> load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding >> load : Fame-Example >> load : Phexample >> load : Fame-Tests-Core >> load : Metanool-Core >> load : Metanool-Tests-Core >> >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "What we can governs what we wish." >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Moose-dev mailing list >> Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch >> https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev > >

Feb. 19, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] question about configuration

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi all, > I have a question about metacello configuration. Given the following > default method: > > *ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL>>default: spec > <version: 'default'> > > spec for: #common do: [ > spec blessing: #default. > spec repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Moose'. > > spec project: 'PetitSQLParser for MooseJEE' with: [ > spec > className: 'ConfigurationOfPetitSQLParser'; > file: 'ConfigurationOfPetitSQLParser'; > version: 'default'; > repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/PetitSQLParser' > ]. > > spec > "Core" > package: 'Famix-SQL'; > > "importers" > package: 'Moose-SQL-Importer' with: [spec requires: > #('PetitSQLParser for MooseJEE' 'Famix-SQL').]; > > "Tests" > package: 'Famix-Tests-SQL'with: [spec requires: 'Famix-SQL']; > package: 'Moose-Tests-SQL-Importer' with: [spec requires: > 'Moose-SQL-Importer']. > > > spec group: 'Model' with: #('Famix-SQL'). > spec group: 'Model-Tests' with: #('Famix-Tests-SQL'). > > spec group: 'Importer' with: #('Moose-SQL-Importer'). > spec group: 'Importer-Tests' with: #('Moose-Tests-SQL-Importer'). > > spec group: 'default' with: #('Model' 'Importer'). > ]* > > When I ask to load default. What metacello look at: the pragma, the > blessing: or the group:? > depend what are you talking about. Version or packages/groups? *ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project xxxVersion load -> that loads the default packages/groups, in you case, ** spec group: 'default' with: #('Model' 'Importer'). In that case you load a version XXX and from that version you load the default packages/groups **(ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project version: 'default') *load -> the same as the previous one, but instead of version XXX you load version 'default'. Notice that Metacello knows NOTHING about calling versions as "default". That's something I saw in moose guys.* * > > It would be possible to load just the Model group? and How can I do that? > > *ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project xxxVersion load*: 'Model'. *(ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL project version: 'default') *load: 'Model'. I recommend you to read the Metacello chapter: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28462/Metacello.pdf Cheers > Thanks a lot, > Fabrizio > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Feb. 19, 2012

[Pharo-project] question about configuration

by Fabrizio Perin

Hi all, I have a question about metacello configuration. Given the following default method: *ConfigurationOfFAMIXSQL>>default: spec <version: 'default'> spec for: #common do: [ spec blessing: #default. spec repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Moose'. spec project: 'PetitSQLParser for MooseJEE' with: [ spec className: 'ConfigurationOfPetitSQLParser'; file: 'ConfigurationOfPetitSQLParser'; version: 'default'; repository: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/PetitSQLParser' ]. spec "Core" package: 'Famix-SQL'; "importers" package: 'Moose-SQL-Importer' with: [spec requires: #('PetitSQLParser for MooseJEE' 'Famix-SQL').]; "Tests" package: 'Famix-Tests-SQL'with: [spec requires: 'Famix-SQL']; package: 'Moose-Tests-SQL-Importer' with: [spec requires: 'Moose-SQL-Importer']. spec group: 'Model' with: #('Famix-SQL'). spec group: 'Model-Tests' with: #('Famix-Tests-SQL'). spec group: 'Importer' with: #('Moose-SQL-Importer'). spec group: 'Importer-Tests' with: #('Moose-Tests-SQL-Importer'). spec group: 'default' with: #('Model' 'Importer'). ]* When I ask to load default. What metacello look at: the pragma, the blessing: or the group:? It would be possible to load just the Model group? and How can I do that? Thanks a lot, Fabrizio

Feb. 19, 2012

[Pharo-project] Fwd: [Moose-dev] configuring moose

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Moose :) Stef > From: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> > Subject: [Moose-dev] configuring moose > Date: February 19, 2012 11:16:37 AM GMT+01:00 > To: Moose-dev Moose Dev <moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch> > Reply-To: Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch> > > Hi, > > We are looking into how to reconfigure Moose. > > The challenge is not that tiny. Here is the list of packages we currently load: > > > load : Moose-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-KGB > load : Famix-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-LAN > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-Core > load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageTwo > load : Famix-Tests-Java > load : Moose-GenericImporter > load : Moose-SmalltalkImporter > load : Moose-MonticelloImporter > load : Moose-Hismo > load : Famix-Core > load : Dynamix-Core > load : Famix-SourceAnchor > load : Famix-C > load : Famix-Java > load : Famix-Implementation > load : Moose-Algos-Graph > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Graph > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-LinearAlgebra > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Clustering > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-InformationRetrieval > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis > load : Moose-Algos-Clustering > load : Moose-Algos-LinearAlgebra > load : Moose-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis > load : Moose-Algos-Lattice > load : Moose-Algos-InformationRetrieval > load : Famix-Extensions > load : PetitParser > load : PetitTests > load : PetitAnalyzer > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Glamour-Announcements > load : Glamour-Helpers > load : Glamour-Core > load : Glamour-Presentations > load : Glamour-Browsers > load : Glamour-Tests-Core > load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme > load : Glamour-Examples > load : Glamour-Tools > load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets > load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer > load : Keymapping-Shortcuts > load : BDDExtensions > load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic > load : HealthReportProducer > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Nile-Base > load : Mondrian-ComplexShape > load : Mondrian-Core > load : Mondrian-Layouts > load : Mondrian-Help > load : Mondrian-Easel > load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests > load : Mondrian-Shapes > load : Mondrian-Events > load : Mondrian-Visitor > load : Mondrian-Util > load : Mondrian-Normalizers > load : Mondrian-Example > load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor > load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic > load : Mondrian-Tests > load : Mondrian-FADELayout > load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations > load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian > load : EyeSee-Events > load : EyeSee-Axis > load : EyeSee-Tests-Core > load : EyeSee-Support > load : EyeSee-Core > load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations > load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee > load : Magritte-Model > load : Magritte-Pharo-Model > load : Magritte-Morph > load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations > load : Magritte-Tests-Model > load : PetitGui > load : PetitSmalltalk > load : PetitJava > load : PetitMSE > load : PetitSQLite-Parser > load : PetitSQLite-AST > load : PetitSQLite-Tests-Parser > load : Moose-Finder > load : Moose-Tests-Finder > load : Arki-Reporter-Browser > load : Moose-Settings > load : Moose-MultiDimensionsDistributionMap > load : Moose-MondrianPaintings > load : Moose-Tests-MondrianPaintings > load : MondrianGraphVizLayout > load : Moose-DistributionMap > load : Moose-Tests-DistributionMap > load : Moose-Wizard > load : Famix-File > load : Moose-Algos-Dsm > load : Moose-Dsm-Core > load : Moose-CycleTable > load : Moose-Dsm-Visualization-Core > load : Moose-Dsm-Example > load : Moose-Dsm-Visualization-Famix > load : Moose-Dsm-Famix > load : ConfigurationOfMoose > load : SmallDude-Utils > load : SmallDude-Species > load : SmallDude-Tests-Text > load : RoelTyper > load : Nile-Base > load : Hashtable > load : OSProcess > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Moose-Help > load : Famix-Specifications > load : Arki-Reporter-Core > load : Arki-Tests-Reporter > load : Famix-Tests-C > load : Famix-Tests-Extensions > load : Dynamix-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Development-Tools > load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-Core > load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageOne > load : Moose-TestResources-LAN > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P4FullInteracted > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P6InteractedReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P5FullReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P1FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P2InteractedReferencerReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P3InteractedReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P7ReferencerReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P8FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P9FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P10InteractedReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P11FullReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P12FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P13FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P14FullReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-PExtensions > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P1 > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P2 > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P3 > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P4 > load : Moose-Tests-MonticelloImporter > load : Fame-Core > load : Fame-Util > load : Fame-ImportExport > load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding > load : Fame-Example > load : Phexample > load : Fame-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Core > load : Moose-EyeSeeCharts > load : Moose-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-KGB > load : Famix-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-LAN > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-Core > load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageTwo > load : Famix-Tests-Java > load : Moose-GenericImporter > load : Moose-SmalltalkImporter > load : Moose-MonticelloImporter > load : Moose-Hismo > load : Famix-Core > load : Dynamix-Core > load : Famix-SourceAnchor > load : Famix-C > load : Famix-Java > load : Famix-Implementation > load : Moose-Algos-Graph > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Graph > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-LinearAlgebra > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Clustering > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-InformationRetrieval > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis > load : Moose-Algos-Clustering > load : Moose-Algos-LinearAlgebra > load : Moose-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis > load : Moose-Algos-Lattice > load : Moose-Algos-InformationRetrieval > load : Famix-Extensions > load : PetitParser > load : PetitTests > load : PetitAnalyzer > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Glamour-Announcements > load : Glamour-Helpers > load : Glamour-Core > load : Glamour-Presentations > load : Glamour-Browsers > load : Glamour-Tests-Core > load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme > load : Glamour-Examples > load : Glamour-Tools > load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets > load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer > load : Keymapping-Shortcuts > load : BDDExtensions > load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic > load : HealthReportProducer > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Nile-Base > load : Mondrian-ComplexShape > load : Mondrian-Core > load : Mondrian-Layouts > load : Mondrian-Help > load : Mondrian-Easel > load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests > load : Mondrian-Shapes > load : Mondrian-Events > load : Mondrian-Visitor > load : Mondrian-Util > load : Mondrian-Normalizers > load : Mondrian-Example > load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor > load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic > load : Mondrian-Tests > load : Mondrian-FADELayout > load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations > load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian > load : EyeSee-Events > load : EyeSee-Axis > load : EyeSee-Tests-Core > load : EyeSee-Support > load : EyeSee-Core > load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations > load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee > load : Magritte-Model > load : Magritte-Pharo-Model > load : Magritte-Morph > load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations > load : Magritte-Tests-Model > load : PetitGui > load : PetitSmalltalk > load : PetitJava > load : PetitMSE > load : PetitSQLite-Parser > load : PetitSQLite-AST > load : PetitSQLite-Tests-Parser > load : Moose-Finder > load : Moose-Tests-Finder > load : Arki-Reporter-Browser > load : Moose-Settings > load : Moose-MultiDimensionsDistributionMap > load : Moose-MondrianPaintings > load : Moose-Tests-MondrianPaintings > load : MondrianGraphVizLayout > load : Moose-DistributionMap > load : Moose-Tests-DistributionMap > load : Moose-Wizard > load : Famix-File > load : SmallDude-Core > load : SmallDude-Text > load : SmallDude-Tests-Core > load : SmallDude-Moose > load : Kumpel-Tests-Core > load : Kumpel-Tests-Importer > load : RoelTyper > load : Nile-Base > load : Hashtable > load : OSProcess > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Moose-Help > load : Famix-Specifications > load : Arki-Reporter-Core > load : Arki-Tests-Reporter > load : Famix-Tests-C > load : Famix-Tests-Extensions > load : Dynamix-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Development-Tools > load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-Core > load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageOne > load : Moose-TestResources-LAN > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P4FullInteracted > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P6InteractedReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P5FullReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P1FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P2InteractedReferencerReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P3InteractedReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P7ReferencerReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P8FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P9FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P10InteractedReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P11FullReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P12FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P13FullReferencer > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-P14FullReferee > load : Moose-TestResources-KGB-PExtensions > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P1 > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P2 > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P3 > load : Moose-TestResources-PackageBlueprint-P4 > load : Moose-Tests-MonticelloImporter > load : Fame-Core > load : Fame-Util > load : Fame-ImportExport > load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding > load : Fame-Example > load : Phexample > load : Fame-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Core > load : Moose-EyeSeeCharts > load : Moose-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-KGB > load : Famix-Tests-Core > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-LAN > load : Moose-Tests-SmalltalkImporter-Core > load : Moose-TestResources-Reference-PackageTwo > load : Famix-Tests-Java > load : Moose-GenericImporter > load : Moose-SmalltalkImporter > load : Moose-MonticelloImporter > load : Moose-Hismo > load : Famix-Core > load : Dynamix-Core > load : Famix-SourceAnchor > load : Famix-C > load : Famix-Java > load : Famix-Implementation > load : Moose-Algos-Graph > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Graph > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-LinearAlgebra > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-Clustering > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-InformationRetrieval > load : Moose-Tests-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis > load : Moose-Algos-Clustering > load : Moose-Algos-LinearAlgebra > load : Moose-Algos-FormalConceptAnalysis > load : Moose-Algos-Lattice > load : Moose-Algos-InformationRetrieval > load : Famix-Extensions > load : PetitParser > load : PetitTests > load : PetitAnalyzer > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Glamour-Announcements > load : Glamour-Helpers > load : Glamour-Core > load : Glamour-Presentations > load : Glamour-Browsers > load : Glamour-Tests-Core > load : Glamour-Morphic-Theme > load : Glamour-Examples > load : Glamour-Tools > load : Glamour-Morphic-Widgets > load : Glamour-Morphic-Renderer > load : Keymapping-Shortcuts > load : BDDExtensions > load : Glamour-Tests-Morphic > load : HealthReportProducer > load : CollectionExtensions > load : Nile-Base > load : Mondrian-ComplexShape > load : Mondrian-Core > load : Mondrian-Layouts > load : Mondrian-Help > load : Mondrian-Easel > load : Mondrian-Pharo-Tests > load : Mondrian-Shapes > load : Mondrian-Events > load : Mondrian-Visitor > load : Mondrian-Util > load : Mondrian-Normalizers > load : Mondrian-Example > load : Mondrian-ShapeVisitor > load : Mondrian-Pharo-Morphic > load : Mondrian-Tests > load : Mondrian-FADELayout > load : Glamour-Mondrian-Presentations > load : Glamour-Tests-Mondrian > load : EyeSee-Events > load : EyeSee-Axis > load : EyeSee-Tests-Core > load : EyeSee-Support > load : EyeSee-Core > load : Glamour-EyeSee-Presentations > load : Glamour-Tests-EyeSee > load : Magritte-Model > load : Magritte-Pharo-Model > load : Magritte-Morph > load : Glamour-Magritte-Presentations > load : Magritte-Tests-Model > load : PetitGui > load : PetitSmalltalk > load : PetitJava > load : PetitMSE > load : PetitSQLite-Parser > load : PetitSQLite-AST > load : PetitSQLite-Tests-Parser > load : Moose-Finder > load : Moose-Tests-Finder > load : Arki-Reporter-Browser > load : Moose-Settings > load : Moose-MultiDimensionsDistributionMap > load : Moose-MondrianPaintings > load : Moose-Tests-MondrianPaintings > load : MondrianGraphVizLayout > load : Moose-DistributionMap > load : Moose-Tests-DistributionMap > load : Moose-Wizard > load : Famix-File > load : Kumpel-Core > load : Kumpel-Importer > load : Magritte-Model > load : Magritte-Pharo-Model > load : Magritte-Morph > load : Magritte-Tests-Model > load : Fame-Core > load : Fame-Util > load : Fame-ImportExport > load : Fame-SmalltalkBinding > load : Fame-Example > load : Phexample > load : Fame-Tests-Core > load : Metanool-Core > load : Metanool-Tests-Core > > > Cheers, > Doru > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "What we can governs what we wish." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev

Feb. 19, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] HTTPS

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 19 Feb 2012, at 04:54, Dale Henrichs wrote: > I have tried "copying the proper file to the proper place" and my mileage certainly does vary. > I have failed with 3 of the vms that I have tried. I have no idea what I am doing wrong. Did you try the zodiac one-click and/or the vm that I just posted ? Did these work for you ? Could you please try ? This is a screenshot of where the plugin should be placed (after you do right-click on the VM app > Show Package Contents): Again, I am not capable at all to build a VM myself, and you probably know more about Smalltalk than I do, so I am still puzzled about what could possibly have gone wrong. Can you provide more details ? Sven

Feb. 19, 2012