February 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Why do we use Pharo? a.k.a. rethinking Pharo marketing

by Guido Stepken

Am 21.02.2012 09:31 schrieb "Ben Coman" <btc(a)openinworld.com>: > Boring ==> other people don't want to do it ==> that is where the money is. If Smalltalk can be less boring than other platforms, then you are a ahead. > Complicated ==> other people can't do it ==> that is where the money is. If Smalltalk can do complicated a bit easier than other platforms, then you are ahead. > Fun is what you do for free. > > Its not really as bad as this - but it is the essence of the spectrum. Not quite. There is nothing, that i can't do with Android (from navigation to full featured Desktop/Tablet apps with very matured RAD tools), but plenty of things, i can't do with Smalltalk/Pharo. Missing standards, touch libs....a concept ... If these topics are not adressed, even the most successful "customer" will soon have to change to JavaScript or Java, Objective-C, C++ ... Touch is everywhere soon, now. regards, Guido Stepken

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Package TextLint for Debian?

by Damien Cassou

Dear Thomas, On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Thomas Koch <thomas(a)koch.ro> wrote: > I've just found textlint for Emacs[1] and wondered, whether it could be > packaged for Debian (or any other Distro). Unfortunately the Git repo does not > contain the source code of textlint but only several binaries. So I wondered > whether all the textlint logic happens locally or whether the plugin contacts > a textlint server? > > [1] https://github.com/DamienCassou/textlint > > Even if the textlint source code would be available, it seems that textlint > depends on Pharo, which also isn't packaged for Debian. Is that right? I don't > know anything about Smalltalk, so I can't package Pharo myself, but I'd be > happy to help if somebody of you would be interested to package it. I'm really interested in getting TextLint distributed as a debian and ubuntu packages. If you can lead this, I will help you as much as I can. I don't think you need a package for Pharo itself. Just try to create a package from what is on github: the pharo image + VM + bash and emacs scripts. You can send me private emails. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus Refactorings

by Benjamin

A configuration for ? Ben On Feb 21, 2012, at 8:21 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> One last thing: when you type the name of a class somewhere and you do a cmd+b I think it would be much better if Nautilus open the "normal" browser and not "hierarchy" one. > > having cmd+h for hierarchy would be great :) > > Ben we should produce a configuration because this is important. > What you can do is at least load the baseline and snapshot only when you will release on version for 1.4 and 1.5 >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> To be honest, if it works, I do not want to lose my time on Configuration >> >> >> It shouldn't be done by hand, but generated by a tool :) >> >> >> Ben >> >> On Feb 20, 2012, at 8:06 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 6:39 PM, Benjamin <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello guys, >>> >>> I know a some of you are waiting for the integration of the RB engine into Nautilus. >>> >>> Some of them are already implemented, so if you wanna test them, here is the gofer script >>> >>> Gofer new >>> url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Nautilus'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfNautilus'; >>> load. >>> >>> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfNautilusRefactoring) perform: #loadDefault >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> So...that's the way of loading Nautilus with refactorings? Wouldn't it be better to include RB dependencis in ConfigurationOfNautilus and have a specific group there. So you can do for example >>> >>> ConfigurationOfNautilus project stableVersion load: 'WithRefactorings'. >>> >>> ? >>> >>> BTW, I checked the ConfigurationOfNautilusRefactoring and it looks you miss a critical feature of Metacello: project references :) From ConfigurationOfNautilusRefactoring you can directly depend on ConfigurationOfRB or ConfigurationOfNautilus rather than duplicating everything in there. Don't tell Stef you didn't read the chapter hahahaha >>> >>> >>> >>> It loads everything. >>> >>> For now I have only done some refactorings for classes, so if you popup the menu on a class, a new item named Refactoring should appear :) >>> >>> Moreover, the 'rename class' method is replaced by the RB one :) >>> >>> >>> Thanks in advance for your feedback, and if you want to participate, you are more than welcome :) >>> >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > >

Feb. 21, 2012

[Pharo-project] Package TextLint for Debian?

by Thomas Koch

Hi, I've just found textlint for Emacs[1] and wondered, whether it could be packaged for Debian (or any other Distro). Unfortunately the Git repo does not contain the source code of textlint but only several binaries. So I wondered whether all the textlint logic happens locally or whether the plugin contacts a textlint server? [1] https://github.com/DamienCassou/textlint Even if the textlint source code would be available, it seems that textlint depends on Pharo, which also isn't packaged for Debian. Is that right? I don't know anything about Smalltalk, so I can't package Pharo myself, but I'd be happy to help if somebody of you would be interested to package it. Best regards, Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] A challenge for all who cares

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 2/20/12 10:58 PM, "Guido Stepken" <gstepken(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > For the inperienced: Could you please explain, howto activate the wiki on Port > 8086 and explain, what it maybe useful for? > > tnx in advance, Guido Stepken We have a group in http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/squeakRos/ which pretend to be a virtual Bar and CafÃ© where nobody rules and all could talk about all. We exchange war tales, recipes, complain about bad government, etc. And off course talk about Squeak , Pharo, etc. I have a modest LAN with assorted old and new computers , which use for all kind of experiments. So the entry gate is www.squeakros.org, witch redirects to here. If in www.squeakros.org you do not see the yellow and blue counter (which is a old LedMorph rendered to page) means no computer here is on. All is experimental .... The links in green should work (mostly) The :8086 port connect you with a Cuis3.1r.11.image This image runs a fake swiki where I put all related to Cuis and HVNaughtieWiki. As you know, the original swiki is Squeak 3.7 and I do not know of any more modern. So I decide make a HV2 enhanced version of it, download the real http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak files and make objects of any .html The downloaded was 103 Mb. The first .obj was 24 Mb. And now is 13 Mb. In the :8085 you could see the fake Squeak swiki which I synchronize not to often, The .image which runs is modified Squeak 4.3 So for what I use the wiki ? For lousy in house Spanish documentation about things I made. For learn how to made the swiki. For learn how the almost same code runs in Squeak, Pharo, Cuis and derivates of each For learn how the .obj could be exchanged between all I hope this explain all and you was welcomed in SqueakRos. Also I could send a user / password and you could make your own lousy docs. Cheers Edgar

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] How to cook Mr Popatoe Process?

by Noury Bouraqadi

On 21 fÃ©vr. 2012, at 07:44, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi guys > > we have practically two solutions to cook a troll: > - either I remove his email address from the list (2 min) > a bit rude and unfriendly but this is a troll after all ;) > +1 Everybody is fed up with spams. Noury > - or we all create a nice rule: as Read > > I suggest you all to do 2 and keep you good energy for helping and not > arguing endless with Mr Potatoe Process. > > Did you count the amount of time we all spent already on that? > > Have fun. > > Stef (I have my rule and I do not read such mail anymore). > > > Noury -- http://twitter.com/#!/NouryBouraqadi http://www.kroobe.com/profile/noury Afin de contribuer au respect de l'environnement, merci de n'imprimer ce courriel qu'en cas de necessite Please consider the environment before you print

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Why do we use Pharo? a.k.a. rethinking Pharo marketing

by Ben Coman

Marcus Denker wrote: > On Feb 21, 2012, at 3:11 AM, Krishsmalltalk wrote: > > >> Yes, >> >> Do not emphasize on one or few keywords. Malleable is better than plastic (can be off putting for any environment conscious) >> >> Adopt the Pharo motto: >> >> "Pharo shall be one of the best enterprise platform in 3 years." >> > > > Isn't "Enterprise Plattform" another word for "boring and complicated" ?? > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > > Boring ==> other people don't want to do it ==> that is where the money is. If Smalltalk can be less boring than other platforms, then you are a ahead. Complicated ==> other people can't do it ==> that is where the money is. If Smalltalk can do complicated a bit easier than other platforms, then you are ahead. Fun is what you do for free. Its not really as bad as this - but it is the essence of the spectrum.

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Why do we use Pharo? a.k.a. rethinking Pharo marketing

by Guido Stepken

Am 21.02.2012 03:11 schrieb "Krishsmalltalk" < krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com>: > > Yes, > > Do not emphasize on one or few keywords. Malleable is better than plastic (can be off putting for any environment conscious) > > Adopt the Pharo motto: > > "Pharo shall be one of the best enterprise platform in 3 years." > > Implicit and obvious is the message: It is the special, perfect platform for user to succeed / win > > 6 month roadmaps then align with this goal . Highlight end of cycle, the special and complete framework, features, that is making it a winnable proposition for the end user. > > If the end user wins, no matter what we say or do , it will hit big time. If the end users in larger numbers do not, no matter what we say or do it will remain an isolated island. Smalltalk in common, expecially Pharo *is* an isolated island. No touch, no future! > Apple is an aggressive example. Microsoft with windows, VB or even c# or visual studio is an example of hitting the bottom rung of users with all tooling to make them win, irrespective of the intellectual argument for or against lot of what it does. You forgot Android 4.0 as *the* winning platform on mobiles, in cars (Mercedes, Ford, Nissan have Android built in now!) and TV (all upper class Samsung TV have Android already). Over 700.000 new installations every month!!! Pharo - rather more deinstallations, i fear! See reality! Have fun, Guido Stepken

Feb. 21, 2012

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14342

by Marcus Denker

14342 ----- Issue 5327: cannot open workspace with contents from a file http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5327 Issue 5337: Fix in AbstractTool http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5337 Issue 5335: (Color fromString: #RED) broken http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5335 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Feb. 21, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] How to cook Mr Popatoe Process?

by Guido Stepken

Am 21.02.2012 07:45 schrieb "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > Hi guys > > we have practically two solutions to cook a troll: > - either I remove his email address from the list (2 min) > a bit rude and unfriendly but this is a troll after all ;) > > - or we all create a nice rule: as Read > > I suggest you all to do 2 and keep you good energy for helping and not > arguing endless with Mr Potatoe Process. > > Did you count the amount of time we all spent already on that? > > Have fun. > > Stef (I have my rule and I do not read such mail anymore). This won't solve Pharo's serious problems, neither from usability point of view, nor from stability point of view, nor from marketing point of view. Ask professionals, usability tester for help, if you are not able to see Pharos problems. Even the "1-klick Image" is not such one. See EToys installer, works fine under Windows, Ubuntu Linux even with packet manager. Stability - where? Stress testing - does not happen, you take users, developers as testers, a absolute no-go! Usability ... Gofer ... Pharo claims to be a RAD tool and users still have a shell??? Squeak had hundred of nice "apps" to play with, makes it interesting, pupils/students being inspired. Pharo - everything removed. Matured, but uninteresting now. You are driven by wishes, how Pharo should be, not by seeing reality. tnx 4 understanding, Guido Stepken (Aka the troll)

Feb. 21, 2012