February 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VM

by Igor Stasenko

On 22 February 2012 17:07, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > So... is not my fault? > we should sync things with image side. (if vm does the right thing of course :) > (btw... Damien, that problem should be present on any cocoa build, not just Pharo.app :) > > Esteban > > El 22/02/2012, a las 1:05p.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > >> On 22 February 2012 16:59, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I've just tried it and it does not find the .sources file that CogVM >>>>> cocoa finds fine. >>>> >>>> what do you mean? where should look for and it doesn't? >>> >>> I have Pharo.app and PharoV10.sources in the same directory. When I >>> opened an image, I had an error dialog saying "could not find >>> â¦/Pharo.app/PharoV10.sources" >>> >>> It might be still an image problem, I know there were discrepancies >>> between Smalltalk vmPath and similar methods / primitivesâ¦ >>> >> ah yes, we had a discussion about that recently. >> if i remember the vm path should return path to vm binary, not a >> "wrapper" folder which mac using. >> >> just want to make things same for all platforms. then on image side we >> can always differ based on what OS it runs. >> >>> -- >>> Damien Pollet >>> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VM

by Esteban Lorenzano

So... is not my fault? (btw... Damien, that problem should be present on any cocoa build, not just Pharo.app :) Esteban El 22/02/2012, a las 1:05p.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > On 22 February 2012 16:59, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I've just tried it and it does not find the .sources file that CogVM >>>> cocoa finds fine. >>> >>> what do you mean? where should look for and it doesn't? >> >> I have Pharo.app and PharoV10.sources in the same directory. When I >> opened an image, I had an error dialog saying "could not find >> â¦/Pharo.app/PharoV10.sources" >> >> It might be still an image problem, I know there were discrepancies >> between Smalltalk vmPath and similar methods / primitivesâ¦ >> > ah yes, we had a discussion about that recently. > if i remember the vm path should return path to vm binary, not a > "wrapper" folder which mac using. > > just want to make things same for all platforms. then on image side we > can always differ based on what OS it runs. > >> -- >> Damien Pollet >> type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. >

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VM

by Igor Stasenko

On 22 February 2012 16:59, Damien Pollet <damien.pollet(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> I've just tried it and it does not find the .sources file that CogVM >>> cocoa finds fine. >> >> what do you mean? where should look for and it doesn't? > > I have Pharo.app and PharoV10.sources in the same directory. When I > opened an image, I had an error dialog saying "could not find > â¦/Pharo.app/PharoV10.sources" > > It might be still an image problem, I know there were discrepancies > between Smalltalk vmPath and similar methods / primitivesâ¦ > ah yes, we had a discussion about that recently. if i remember the vm path should return path to vm binary, not a "wrapper" folder which mac using. just want to make things same for all platforms. then on image side we can always differ based on what OS it runs. > -- > Damien Pollet > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VM

by Damien Pollet

>> I've just tried it and it does not find the .sources file that CogVM >> cocoa finds fine. > > what do you mean? where should look for and it doesn't? I have Pharo.app and PharoV10.sources in the same directory. When I opened an image, I had an error dialog saying "could not find â¦/Pharo.app/PharoV10.sources" It might be still an image problem, I know there were discrepancies between Smalltalk vmPath and similar methods / primitivesâ¦ -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VM

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, El 22/02/2012, a las 12:01p.m., Damien Pollet escribiÃ³: > On 21 February 2012 15:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> and I'm even packaging "pharo branded vm's" for mac: >> >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/ > > I've just tried it and it does not find the .sources file that CogVM > cocoa finds fine. what do you mean? where should look for and it doesn't? Esteban > >> but this last part is just a "start job"... more need to be done. >> to be clear: we are NOT forking cog or anything, just branding it in a way >> who fit us better, and working on plugins we think are needed to be there. > > yes, the icon for .image has wrong transparency and an ugly fontâ¦ I > should apply some obsessive-compulsive detail-fixing effort to that, > but I need a proper graphics editor ;) > > > -- > Damien Pollet > type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet >

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Why do we use Pharo? a.k.a. rethinking Pharo marketing

by Tudor Girba

Hi, I like this metaphor, too, because it matches precisely the scenarios in which I use Pharo. Over the past 2 years I got to use Moose (and Pharo) to support the practice of software assessment in a new way: http://humane-assessment.com Essentially, it boils down to crafting custom analysis tools fast to help people make decisions regarding a software system (or data). It is new way because when the cost of a dedicated tool is measured in minutes or hours (not in day or months), the economics change dramatically. It even gets to be so fun that engineers throw questions at the system in the lunch break just for the sport of it. The interesting thing is that the systems in question are usually not Smalltalk, but involve Java, C/C++, SQL, XML or other exotic languages. The analyses can be captured in automatic reports produced regularly by a continuous integration server, or dedicated tools used for specific scenarios (like monitoring performance, or visualizing funky configurations). In these scenarios, the key ingredient is speed, and the speed of developing in Smalltalk combined with the Moose design is simply unmatched in that world. All in all, I get to sit in the middle of the team, program Smalltalk and have the system with the strange syntax regarded with respect. And in the end, I get engineers to learn Smalltalk because they (and their companies) see a significant benefit in doing so. This is possible due to Pharo & Moose and all the activity around them. Cheers, Doru On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 7:52 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Nick Ager wrote: > >> Pharo (or Smalltalk in general) is for me about *speed* of development. >> >> I agree 100% with GÃ¶ran. >> >> I want my programming environment to be able to translate my ideas into code as rapidly as possible. Smalltalk is the best environment I've found for that. >> >> "Programming at the speed of thought" > > I love that. Thanks for the idea. > > >> I've been very inspired by the following talk about the importance of the immediacy of results: >> >> http://vimeo.com/36579366 >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Why do we use Pharo? a.k.a. rethinking Pharo marketing

by Geoffroy Couprie

On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: > Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> 5) authentication: not sure what you mean but we have cryptography and >> work for secure connections is on the way (with Zodiac) >> >> > Authentication might include Kerberos & integrating with MS Windows Single > Sign On. > > > Include also SAML and OAuth, and Pharo will be well covered :)

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VM

by Damien Pollet

On 21 February 2012 15:31, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > and I'm even packaging "pharo branded vm's" for mac: > > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/ I've just tried it and it does not find the .sources file that CogVM cocoa finds fine. > but this last part is just a "start job"... more need to be done. > to be clear: we are NOT forking cog or anything, just branding it in a way > who fit us better, and working on plugins we think are needed to be there. yes, the icon for .image has wrong transparency and an ugly fontâ¦Â I should apply some obsessive-compulsive detail-fixing effort to that, but I need a proper graphics editor ;) -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fed up with the troll - my personal response

by Philippe Marschall

On 02/22/2012 12:23 PM, Nick Ager wrote: > Trolls are so repetitive - it's not difficult to parody them... > > http://troller.seasidehosting.st/ http://memegenerator.net/instance/15023393 First Magritte 3, now this. *deeply impressed* Cheers Philippe

Feb. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Why do we use Pharo? a.k.a. rethinking Pharo marketing

by Ben Coman

Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > 5) authentication: not sure what you mean but we have cryptography and work for secure connections is on the way (with Zodiac) > Authentication might include Kerberos & integrating with MS Windows Single Sign On.

Feb. 22, 2012