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Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, It's trying to load now. The system monitor shows the vm in a nanosleep mode for much of the time. I'm going to let it continue to see if it can actually finish given lots of time. Any other ideas? Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:31 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs? if you urgently needs it load a configuration before we changed. probably Name: ConfigurationOfCitezen-StephaneDucasse.53 Stef On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > If you're bored, it would be nice to have confirmation one way or the other. I might have broken something with some of my changes?? However, most of that loads _after_ the staples, among which Citezen is prominent - thanks for it! > > Bill > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:11 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs? > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I am making progress toward building a 1.3 image, but I am getting a hung system when loading (#loadNoWeb) Citezen. Is this a known problem? > > We got a problem with 1.4 and we made the error to change the 1.3 working version :( > Now the last time I checked (I can retry) it was loading in 1.3 and 1.4 > > Stef >> >> Bill >> > > >

Feb. 3, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Eliot, Lazy is not a word I would use - it *is* a lot of work. I'm closing in on a 1.3 image. Once it's up (this includes a Seaside 2.8->3.0 move), I'll try alien callbacks w/ GSL. It won't happen overnight, but it will be nice to be able to define functions in Smalltalk (thinking roots, LM, etc.). Perhaps Spock could start out as a facade to make things *appear* unified?? Bill ________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Eliot Miranda [eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:27 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: Stef, Some thoughts: (1) I thought Spock would be the unifier. Cool name as a bonus. (2) FFI can do callbacks, it's just not wrapped. Andreas described how to do it, but it's not user friendly. (3) I suspect the reason for the two packages is pragmatism, but I can't speak for those among us who are adept at the vm side of things. Think of me as an applied mathematician and biomedical engineer. I write nice code, but have my limits. try laziness ;) its all work. I haven't found the time to combine them. (4) a unified approach would be most welcome. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:13 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: > I'm confused. > Why do you need alien in addition to FFI. > > Because I implemented callbacks in Newspeak's Alien system and then added support to FFI to accept Alien's callbacks. Replicating the Alien callback system in FFI can be done, but it'll be the same Alien scheme under the covers. So why bother renaming all the image support when its already there? yes but why not making alien part of FFI and not forcing people to load two packages if this is part of the functionality? It just add more confusion. Stef > > And loading the latest version is not a way to get reproducible situation. > > Stef > > > we are using it with success... installed this way: > > > > Gofer it > > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > > package: 'ConfigurationOfFFI'; > > load. > > (ConfigurationOfFFI project version: '1.5') load. > > > > Gofer it > > squeaksource: 'Alien'; > > package: 'Alien'; > > load. > > > > not sure if you need the both, but having them is easier: you can subclass ExternalLibrary, etc.... and use FFI in the old way <apicall:>, and when you need a callback you use alien Callback. > > > > (works on pharo 1.3 and 1.4) > > > > best, > > Esteban > > > > El 31/01/2012, a las 7:53p.m., Eliot Miranda escribiÃ³: > > > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: > >> Eliot, > >> > >> Interesting news... On Linux? Is there a good place to hunt for examples? > >> > >> Yes, on all three platforms. Alien. See http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien/Alien-kb.15 > >> > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of Eliot Miranda [eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com<mailto:eliot.miranda@gmail.com>] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:41 PM > >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu><mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>>> wrote: > >> GÃ¶ran, > >> > >> Thanks for what you do, and for noticing what I (at least try) to contribute. Some other "tangible" items in my queue *will* be worth the wait[*]. I sincerely hope you are correct about a misunderstanding being at the base of thread. > >> > >> Hopefully, we can all dust ourselves off [**] and make FFI robust everywhere. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> [*] I know I've said this for essentially Pharo's entire life cycle, but it's true... Callbacks, my kingdom for callbacks. > >> > >> Callbacks in Cog work. The threaded VM needs work, but synchronous callbacks from blocking FFI calls work now. You may have to integrate image-level code but the VM has support and it works. > >> > >> > >> [**] Some US slang for Stef's benefit :) > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr><mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr><mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>>] on behalf of GÃ¶ran Krampe [goran(a)krampe.se<mailto:goran@krampe.se><mailto:goran@krampe.se<mailto:goran@krampe.se>>] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:05 AM > >> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr><mailto:pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr>> > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > >> > >> Hi guys! > >> > >> On 01/09/2012 09:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> > On 09 Jan 2012, at 20:06, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> >> I think you have the situation very much in reverse. You are flying off the handle, not me. > >> >> > >> >> Cog deserves better than to ignore feedback from motivated users. Motivated users deserve better than to be insulted for their efforts to improve it. > >> > > >> > Pharo, Squeak, Cog, Seaside, and most other Smalltalk software on SqueakSource is open source, written almost exclusively by people in their free time. And although most of them will try to help the users of their software the best they can, they cannot and should not do just anything unless they want to. The relation between open source authors and their users should be mutually productive. Using software and giving feedback if one thing, but it is not enough. It can't be one way all the time. > >> > > >> > I might be wrong, but I fail to find > >> > > >> > - any issues you put in the issue tracker(s) > >> > - any issues you solved > >> > - any open source software you published on SqueakSource or anywhere else > >> > - any blog post or web pages with documentation, tutorials, .. that you wrote > >> > > >> > I hope you get the point: there are many more ways to contribute than what you are doing now. > >> > > >> > Pharo and other projects need all the help they can get, give back to the community, we are all using software written by others in the same spirit, it is only fair to honor these contributions. > >> > > >> > My 2c, > >> > >> This thread is long dead but I just wanted to mention that Wilhelm > >> Schwab is a long time Squeaker and has been active in the community long > >> before Pharo was even born. ;) > >> > >> Now, it seems to me that the "heat" in this particular thread was based > >> on a misunderstanding, I know Eliot and it didn't seem to me he was > >> trying to insult. > >> > >> General observation: Try taking it easy on the "what the heck have you > >> done for us?"-talk. I have made several such similar posts too over the > >> years when I got frustrated, but it might backfire if you aren't > >> shooting at the "right people". We take pride in being a friendly > >> community (Smalltalk at large) and I presume Pharo does too :) > >> > >> regards, GÃ¶ran > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> best, > >> Eliot > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> best, > >> Eliot > >> > > > > > > > > -- > best, > Eliot > -- best, Eliot

Feb. 2, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found

by Eliot Miranda

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu>wrote: > Stef, > > Some thoughts: > > (1) I thought Spock would be the unifier. Cool name as a bonus. > > (2) FFI can do callbacks, it's just not wrapped. Andreas described how > to do it, but it's not user friendly. > > (3) I suspect the reason for the two packages is pragmatism, but I can't > speak for those among us who are adept at the vm side of things. Think of > me as an applied mathematician and biomedical engineer. I write nice code, > but have my limits. > try laziness ;) its all work. I haven't found the time to combine them. > > (4) a unified approach would be most welcome. > > Bill > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane > Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:13 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > I'm confused. > > Why do you need alien in addition to FFI. > > > > Because I implemented callbacks in Newspeak's Alien system and then > added support to FFI to accept Alien's callbacks. Replicating the Alien > callback system in FFI can be done, but it'll be the same Alien scheme > under the covers. So why bother renaming all the image support when its > already there? > > yes but why not making alien part of FFI and not forcing people to load > two packages if this is part of the functionality? > It just add more confusion. > > > Stef > > > > > And loading the latest version is not a way to get reproducible > situation. > > > > Stef > > > > > we are using it with success... installed this way: > > > > > > Gofer it > > > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > > > package: 'ConfigurationOfFFI'; > > > load. > > > (ConfigurationOfFFI project version: '1.5') load. > > > > > > Gofer it > > > squeaksource: 'Alien'; > > > package: 'Alien'; > > > load. > > > > > > not sure if you need the both, but having them is easier: you can > subclass ExternalLibrary, etc.... and use FFI in the old way <apicall:>, > and when you need a callback you use alien Callback. > > > > > > (works on pharo 1.3 and 1.4) > > > > > > best, > > > Esteban > > > > > > El 31/01/2012, a las 7:53p.m., Eliot Miranda escribiÃ³: > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K < > bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > > >> Eliot, > > >> > > >> Interesting news... On Linux? Is there a good place to hunt for > examples? > > >> > > >> Yes, on all three platforms. Alien. See > http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien/Alien-kb.15 > > >> > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________________ > > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Eliot Miranda [ > eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com] > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:41 PM > > >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > > >> > > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K < > bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: > > >> GÃ¶ran, > > >> > > >> Thanks for what you do, and for noticing what I (at least try) to > contribute. Some other "tangible" items in my queue *will* be worth the > wait[*]. I sincerely hope you are correct about a misunderstanding being > at the base of thread. > > >> > > >> Hopefully, we can all dust ourselves off [**] and make FFI robust > everywhere. > > >> > > >> Best regards, > > >> > > >> Bill > > >> > > >> [*] I know I've said this for essentially Pharo's entire life cycle, > but it's true... Callbacks, my kingdom for callbacks. > > >> > > >> Callbacks in Cog work. The threaded VM needs work, but synchronous > callbacks from blocking FFI calls work now. You may have to integrate > image-level code but the VM has support and it works. > > >> > > >> > > >> [**] Some US slang for Stef's benefit :) > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________________ > > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> [ > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto: > pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of GÃ¶ran Krampe [ > goran(a)krampe.se<mailto:goran@krampe.se>] > > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:05 AM > > >> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto: > pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > > >> > > >> Hi guys! > > >> > > >> On 01/09/2012 09:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > >> > On 09 Jan 2012, at 20:06, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > > >> >> I think you have the situation very much in reverse. You are > flying off the handle, not me. > > >> >> > > >> >> Cog deserves better than to ignore feedback from motivated users. > Motivated users deserve better than to be insulted for their efforts to > improve it. > > >> > > > >> > Pharo, Squeak, Cog, Seaside, and most other Smalltalk software on > SqueakSource is open source, written almost exclusively by people in their > free time. And although most of them will try to help the users of their > software the best they can, they cannot and should not do just anything > unless they want to. The relation between open source authors and their > users should be mutually productive. Using software and giving feedback if > one thing, but it is not enough. It can't be one way all the time. > > >> > > > >> > I might be wrong, but I fail to find > > >> > > > >> > - any issues you put in the issue tracker(s) > > >> > - any issues you solved > > >> > - any open source software you published on SqueakSource or > anywhere else > > >> > - any blog post or web pages with documentation, tutorials, .. that > you wrote > > >> > > > >> > I hope you get the point: there are many more ways to contribute > than what you are doing now. > > >> > > > >> > Pharo and other projects need all the help they can get, give back > to the community, we are all using software written by others in the same > spirit, it is only fair to honor these contributions. > > >> > > > >> > My 2c, > > >> > > >> This thread is long dead but I just wanted to mention that Wilhelm > > >> Schwab is a long time Squeaker and has been active in the community > long > > >> before Pharo was even born. ;) > > >> > > >> Now, it seems to me that the "heat" in this particular thread was > based > > >> on a misunderstanding, I know Eliot and it didn't seem to me he was > > >> trying to insult. > > >> > > >> General observation: Try taking it easy on the "what the heck have you > > >> done for us?"-talk. I have made several such similar posts too over > the > > >> years when I got frustrated, but it might backfire if you aren't > > >> shooting at the "right people". We take pride in being a friendly > > >> community (Smalltalk at large) and I presume Pharo does too :) > > >> > > >> regards, GÃ¶ran > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> best, > > >> Eliot > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> best, > > >> Eliot > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > best, > > Eliot > > > > > > -- best, Eliot

Feb. 2, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] keeping up with lively-kernel (morphic)

by Helene Bilbo

Marcus Denker-4 wrote > > So there are multiple problems: > > 1) Morphic is not and API or a codebase but and idea (or principle) > And the question is even: a good one? In the current state for sure not. > For sure it's instantiation depends *a lot* on the language > model you have. > I think exactly the Morphic ideas (or principles) (not the squeak morphic code or the missing documentation or a morphic implementation in javascript) were so very charming, elegant and intriguing. Directly manipulating, combining Objects/Morphs and - as i read in this paper about LivelyKernel [1] - serializing them. But as i understood the Pharo Vision Document, Pharo is more aimed at business customers and therefor strives for being similar to other business oriented smalltalks rather than becoming Squeak with cleaner and smaller code and better documentation (which would have been also a very nice goal)? [1] http://www.hpi.uni-potsdam.de/hirschfeld/publications/media/LinckeKrahnInga… -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/keeping-up-with-lively-kernel-morphic-tp4349125p43530… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Feb. 2, 2012

[Pharo-project] prime number generation issue [Was: Question regarding LinkedList collect:]

by Nicolas Cellier

Do you mean http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4997 ? In any case, finding a divisor with a naive iteration on all odd numbers is not the thing to do. Programming a deterministic and efficient primality test is a hard thing... I suggest to simply pick squeak version and let isPrime implemented in term of isProbablyPrime for large integers, put a comment why. Nicolas 2012/2/2 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > thanks > Nicolas could you have a look at the prime number generation issue? > > Stef > >

Feb. 2, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] pdf4smalltalk Re: pharo vision

by Paul DeBruicker

Just wanted to make sure you guys were aware that Bob Nemec is making a PDFReport package for VisualWorks that he intends to present at STIC and port to other smalltalks: http://smalltalk-bob.blogspot.com/2012/01/pdf-report-and-law-of-demeter.html So maybe there's an opportunity for collaboration. Ben Coman wrote > > It took some hunting but I finally found the source located here... > http://pdf4smalltalk.origo.ethz.ch/wiki/store_access > > with MIT License specified here... > http://pdf4smalltalk.origo.ethz.ch/ > > That looks quite promising. > > cheers, Ben > > > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/pharo-vision-tp4340345p4352946.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Feb. 2, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, Some thoughts: (1) I thought Spock would be the unifier. Cool name as a bonus. (2) FFI can do callbacks, it's just not wrapped. Andreas described how to do it, but it's not user friendly. (3) I suspect the reason for the two packages is pragmatism, but I can't speak for those among us who are adept at the vm side of things. Think of me as an applied mathematician and biomedical engineer. I write nice code, but have my limits. (4) a unified approach would be most welcome. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:13 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found On Feb 2, 2012, at 9:31 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 12:25 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > I'm confused. > Why do you need alien in addition to FFI. > > Because I implemented callbacks in Newspeak's Alien system and then added support to FFI to accept Alien's callbacks. Replicating the Alien callback system in FFI can be done, but it'll be the same Alien scheme under the covers. So why bother renaming all the image support when its already there? yes but why not making alien part of FFI and not forcing people to load two packages if this is part of the functionality? It just add more confusion. Stef > > And loading the latest version is not a way to get reproducible situation. > > Stef > > > we are using it with success... installed this way: > > > > Gofer it > > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > > package: 'ConfigurationOfFFI'; > > load. > > (ConfigurationOfFFI project version: '1.5') load. > > > > Gofer it > > squeaksource: 'Alien'; > > package: 'Alien'; > > load. > > > > not sure if you need the both, but having them is easier: you can subclass ExternalLibrary, etc.... and use FFI in the old way <apicall:>, and when you need a callback you use alien Callback. > > > > (works on pharo 1.3 and 1.4) > > > > best, > > Esteban > > > > El 31/01/2012, a las 7:53p.m., Eliot Miranda escribiÃ³: > > > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > >> Eliot, > >> > >> Interesting news... On Linux? Is there a good place to hunt for examples? > >> > >> Yes, on all three platforms. Alien. See http://www.squeaksource.com/Alien/Alien-kb.15 > >> > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of Eliot Miranda [eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 2:41 PM > >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:36 AM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: > >> GÃ¶ran, > >> > >> Thanks for what you do, and for noticing what I (at least try) to contribute. Some other "tangible" items in my queue *will* be worth the wait[*]. I sincerely hope you are correct about a misunderstanding being at the base of thread. > >> > >> Hopefully, we can all dust ourselves off [**] and make FFI robust everywhere. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> > >> Bill > >> > >> [*] I know I've said this for essentially Pharo's entire life cycle, but it's true... Callbacks, my kingdom for callbacks. > >> > >> Callbacks in Cog work. The threaded VM needs work, but synchronous callbacks from blocking FFI calls work now. You may have to integrate image-level code but the VM has support and it works. > >> > >> > >> [**] Some US slang for Stef's benefit :) > >> > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr>] on behalf of GÃ¶ran Krampe [goran(a)krampe.se<mailto:goran@krampe.se>] > >> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 3:05 AM > >> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Cog+linux: external module not found > >> > >> Hi guys! > >> > >> On 01/09/2012 09:36 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > >> > On 09 Jan 2012, at 20:06, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> >> I think you have the situation very much in reverse. You are flying off the handle, not me. > >> >> > >> >> Cog deserves better than to ignore feedback from motivated users. Motivated users deserve better than to be insulted for their efforts to improve it. > >> > > >> > Pharo, Squeak, Cog, Seaside, and most other Smalltalk software on SqueakSource is open source, written almost exclusively by people in their free time. And although most of them will try to help the users of their software the best they can, they cannot and should not do just anything unless they want to. The relation between open source authors and their users should be mutually productive. Using software and giving feedback if one thing, but it is not enough. It can't be one way all the time. > >> > > >> > I might be wrong, but I fail to find > >> > > >> > - any issues you put in the issue tracker(s) > >> > - any issues you solved > >> > - any open source software you published on SqueakSource or anywhere else > >> > - any blog post or web pages with documentation, tutorials, .. that you wrote > >> > > >> > I hope you get the point: there are many more ways to contribute than what you are doing now. > >> > > >> > Pharo and other projects need all the help they can get, give back to the community, we are all using software written by others in the same spirit, it is only fair to honor these contributions. > >> > > >> > My 2c, > >> > >> This thread is long dead but I just wanted to mention that Wilhelm > >> Schwab is a long time Squeaker and has been active in the community long > >> before Pharo was even born. ;) > >> > >> Now, it seems to me that the "heat" in this particular thread was based > >> on a misunderstanding, I know Eliot and it didn't seem to me he was > >> trying to insult. > >> > >> General observation: Try taking it easy on the "what the heck have you > >> done for us?"-talk. I have made several such similar posts too over the > >> years when I got frustrated, but it might backfire if you aren't > >> shooting at the "right people". We take pride in being a friendly > >> community (Smalltalk at large) and I presume Pharo does too :) > >> > >> regards, GÃ¶ran > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> best, > >> Eliot > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> best, > >> Eliot > >> > > > > > > > > -- > best, > Eliot >

Feb. 2, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs?

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

urgent is strong, but I'm **close** to having a 1.3 image and hence ability to play with callbacks. An older version it is. Thanks!!! ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:31 PM To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs? if you urgently needs it load a configuration before we changed. probably Name: ConfigurationOfCitezen-StephaneDucasse.53 Stef On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > If you're bored, it would be nice to have confirmation one way or the other. I might have broken something with some of my changes?? However, most of that loads _after_ the staples, among which Citezen is prominent - thanks for it! > > Bill > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:11 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs? > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I am making progress toward building a 1.3 image, but I am getting a hung system when loading (#loadNoWeb) Citezen. Is this a known problem? > > We got a problem with 1.4 and we made the error to change the 1.3 working version :( > Now the last time I checked (I can retry) it was loading in 1.3 and 1.4 > > Stef >> >> Bill >> > > >

Feb. 2, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

if you urgently needs it load a configuration before we changed. probably Name: ConfigurationOfCitezen-StephaneDucasse.53 Stef On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:24 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Stef, > > If you're bored, it would be nice to have confirmation one way or the other. I might have broken something with some of my changes?? However, most of that loads _after_ the staples, among which Citezen is prominent - thanks for it! > > Bill > > > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] on behalf of StÃ©phane Ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr] > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 4:11 PM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] ConfigurationOfCitezen - any bugs? > > On Feb 2, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> I am making progress toward building a 1.3 image, but I am getting a hung system when loading (#loadNoWeb) Citezen. Is this a known problem? > > We got a problem with 1.4 and we made the error to change the 1.3 working version :( > Now the last time I checked (I can retry) it was loading in 1.3 and 1.4 > > Stef >> >> Bill >> > > >

Feb. 2, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Shared Smalltalk Workspaces

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 02 Feb 2012, at 21:50, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Here are 2 more examples > > http://ws.stfxeu/8O58R5KF1FLQ > http://ws.stfxeu/8O58TU6FNFL6 > > Enjoy ! Hmm, that should have been http://ws.stfx.eu/8O58R5KF1FLQ http://ws.stfx.eu/8O58TU6FNFL6 Sorry.

Feb. 2, 2012