December 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Lua scripting with nativeboost?

by Igor Stasenko

On 12 December 2012 09:31, Peter H. Meadows <peter.h.meadows(a)googlemail.com> wrote: > I was thinking about making a MUD / MOO type game with pharo as the > server and scripting language. Any ideas on how this should be done? > How would you make sure the user scripts are sandboxed? Would you have > an image running the server and a separate image for each user? > i think the easiest solution is to run a separate image. if you want to run in same image, then you have to modify compiler/environment for sandboxed code, where nothing can sneak through and access private data. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text

by dimitris chloupis

thanks added to my list of things to study :) ________________________________ From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:33 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. > From: Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text > > If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. > > -- Pavel > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looksÂ like a big improvement over the classic system browser. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:25, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? No, it is extension with respect to Monticello/RPackage packaging. > From: Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text > > If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. > > -- Pavel > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text

by dimitris chloupis

Thanks for the reply , by "extension" you mean inheritance ? Package A class subclasses package B class ? ________________________________ From: Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:19 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. -- Pavel On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > >By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looksÂ like a big improvement over the classic system browser. >

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text

by dimitris chloupis

Thank you for the welcome , and yes I try to move with small steps and first make sure I know pharo very well before I propose or try to change anything in it. Seem I got tons to learn and thats a very good thing :) Any chance you can reply to my initial question why some classes and methods and protocols are grey out in nautilus ? ________________________________ From: Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, 12 December 2012, 11:17 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:03, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looksÂ like a big improvement over the classic system browser. I would say: welcome to Pharo Smalltalk ;-) This is why/how we do it: keep on improving the infrastructure in small steps and sometimes replace big parts. The amount of things already done, being done and in the pipeline is really spectacular. And yes, Nautilus is really cool. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text

by Pavel Krivanek

If a package A adds an exteinson to a class from different package B then the extended class from package B is grayed out and all methods that are not part of the package A too. -- Pavel On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:03 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk>wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing > but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing > to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system > browser. >

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 12 Dec 2012, at 10:03, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? > > By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looks like a big improvement over the classic system browser. I would say: welcome to Pharo Smalltalk ;-) This is why/how we do it: keep on improving the infrastructure in small steps and sometimes replace big parts. The amount of things already done, being done and in the pipeline is really spectacular. And yes, Nautilus is really cool. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Dec. 12, 2012

[Pharo-project] Nautilus and grey out text

by dimitris chloupis

I went through the Nautilus pdf and it seems to explains most of the thing but the grey out text. Any idea why some classess and methods are grey out ? By the way congratulation to Nautilus author and all people contributing to it , it certainly looksÂ like a big improvement over the classic system browser.

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Adding Pharo to Ubuntu Software Center

by dimitris chloupis

thank you , I will take a look. Obviously its a lot more work than I expected. ________________________________ From: Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Tuesday, 11 December 2012, 11:57 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Adding Pharo to Ubuntu Software Center On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 2:01 PM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > So are we interested in exposing pharo to more people , linux users ? Sure, we are interested. The most important (and difficult) thing is to create a Debian archive (.deb file). Nicolas Petton and I worked on that already but a lot of work remains to be done (e.g., making Pharo compilable by debian tools). Our work can be found on: https://github.com/DamienCassou/pharo-packaging Best -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Dec. 12, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: Lua scripting with nativeboost?

by Peter H. Meadows

I was thinking about making a MUD / MOO type game with pharo as the server and scripting language. Any ideas on how this should be done? How would you make sure the user scripts are sandboxed? Would you have an image running the server and a separate image for each user? On 12 December 2012 08:05, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Why not use pharo itself? > > Scripting languages are used in static-typed systems as a way to avoid their complexity, so I understand clearly why c++ games provide lua (or python) as a script language... but I do not understand which benefit would bring using lua as a scriptiong on pharo (and yes, I do have gaming in mind). > > also, a non-programer will find a lot easier to learn pharo than lua. > > Esteban > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 1:44 AM, DeNigris Sean <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > >> <quote author="Jacob Wagner"> >> Hello. Is anyone interested in getting lua scripting to work with pharo, using nativeboost? I do not think it should be very difficult, but it is beyond my knowledge of c and lua and nativeboost. >> >> The reason I would like this is for possible gaming applications. I am already trying my hand at writing games with amber smalltalk as a client and pharo + websockets as a server, but it would be very cool if the users could write some lua 'sandboxed' scripts that run on the server. >> </quote> > >

Dec. 12, 2012