November 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20423

by Marcus Denker

20423 ----- Issue 7072: Better pop up menu entries aligned with http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7072 Issue 7071: Fixing ManifestBrowser http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=7071 Diff information: http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Manifest-CriticBrowser-MarcusDenker.29.d… http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Compiler-MarcusDenker.364.diff

Nov. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vim Keys?

by Goubier Thierry

Le 30/11/2012 09:57, Sebastian Nozzi a Ã©crit : > When we are at it... how do shortcuts in Pharo 2 currently work? Ouch. I can describe what I know about key event processing, and maybe you will understand what's happening. It will be a good exercise for me to see if I got that stuff right. From first to process to last to process, once the key event is generated and given to the Morph which has the focus: 1 - The morph keymapping dispatch. This one is multilevel in nature. Here, so it goes (simplified, I'm not listing where platform differences are taken in account). The key event is matched against shortcuts defined in keymaps (and a partial match is possible if it is a multi-key shortcut). 1.1 - Direct keymapping : shortcuts added by on: do: to the KMDispatcher of the Morph instance. 1.2 - Named keymaps. Keymaps defined elsewhere and attached to that morph keymap dispatcher. 1.3 - Global named keymaps. Keymaps associated with the morph Class or one of it's superclass (i.e. a Morph class global keymap will apply to all morphs). 1.4 - If no match, go to 1.1 with the owner of the morph and repeat. Do that until you reach the World (Pharo top-level window). There, if keymapping hasn't matched, go to 2. 2 - The morph keyStroke: handling. Normal keys, navigation keys, hardcoded shortcuts (TextMorph for example). -- In some cases (some! No, often :(!) keystrokes are sent to other objects or Morphs: navigation, shortcuts, etc... 3 - The morph eventHandler : here a model can trap any key event or shortcut. If a match happen in any of those, the key event is usually said to be processed and we go out of the processing loop (no more matches) So, for a given shortcut being processed, it may be hard to find where it has been caught. Only the Keymapping dispatch has a debugging feature (with KMLog). > In Pharo 1.4, in the class browser, I used to hit Ctrl-F to open "Find > Class", but it has no effect in Pharo 2. This one is easier. In Nautilus, there is a shortcut browser which lists all the defined shortcuts. I believe that the find class is a multi-key shortcut. > 2012/11/30 Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr>: >> Le 29/11/2012 20:52, âking a Ã©crit : >> >>> Hi all. I'm extremely new to Smalltalk, but I was wondering if there was >>> a way to make Pharo have vi-keys (or even better, vim-keys)? >>> >>> Thanks! >>> ââ >> >> >> It's underway. The infrastructure is moving to a better (unified) way of >> specifying and handling shortcuts, and then vi and vim-keys and emacs and >> others should become available. >> >> Bad point: I should help with that effort, but given my deadlines for the >> end of the year, not sure I'll be of much help :(. >> >> Thierry >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> > > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Nov. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] just help :)

by Sebastian Nozzi

2012/11/30 Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:55 PM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> > wrote: > > * Framework for seamless data/object-synchronization. I suggested this a > while ago, didn't get much response. I don't blame anyone, there is not much > need for this right now. What I would want is to be able to modify certain > objects in my image, while offline, and connect to the Internet, and these > objects be synchronized between other images. This way Internet-enabled apps > could be built on top of Pharo in a better way that web-apps are built now > (because, in Pharo you can not hit F5 and get fresh data ;-). But this is > low-priority for me." > > This is a hard problemâ¦ but if would be nice to have, yes. I think it would make a nice research project ;-) Maybe as an extension(*) to Fuel/Tanker? I guess Fuel/Tanker also has to deal with conflicts, right? * - "Extension" or "on-top-of"

Nov. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vim Keys?

by Sebastian Nozzi

When we are at it... how do shortcuts in Pharo 2 currently work? In Pharo 1.4, in the class browser, I used to hit Ctrl-F to open "Find Class", but it has no effect in Pharo 2. 2012/11/30 Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr>: > Le 29/11/2012 20:52, âking a Ã©crit : > >> Hi all. I'm extremely new to Smalltalk, but I was wondering if there was >> a way to make Pharo have vi-keys (or even better, vim-keys)? >> >> Thanks! >> ââ > > > It's underway. The infrastructure is moving to a better (unified) way of > specifying and handling shortcuts, and then vi and vim-keys and emacs and > others should become available. > > Bad point: I should help with that effort, but given my deadlines for the > end of the year, not sure I'll be of much help :(. > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Nov. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] just help :)

by dimitris chloupis

My bad I thought it was for bytecode too, my memory played tricks to me. http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel ________________________________ From: Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012, 9:32 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] just help :) On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:55 PM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > >* Framework for seamless data/object-synchronization. I suggested this a while ago, didn't get much response. I don't blame anyone, there is not much need for this right now. What I would want is to be able to modify certain objects in my image, while offline, and connect to the Internet, and these objects be synchronized between other images. This way Internet-enabled apps could be built on top of Pharo in a better way that web-apps are built now (because, in Pharo you can not hit F5 and get fresh data ;-). But this is low-priority for me." > > This is a hard problemâ¦ but if would be nice to have, yes. >There is also Fuel which is a already very well known Pharo library again for serializing bytecode. > > No, Fuel can serialize *any* objects. byte codes Â are not that hard to serialize, as they are actually already a serialized representation of the AST... Marcus

Nov. 30, 2012

[Pharo-project] [Issue Tracker] Reviews Needed...

by Marcus Denker

There are ready to integrate issues that need to be looked at: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone=2.0%20status=H… http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone%3D2.0+status%3… -> Does it make sense? -> is the code loadable? -> does it what it is supposed to to? Marcus

Nov. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Vim Keys?

by Goubier Thierry

Le 29/11/2012 20:52, âking a Ã©crit : > Hi all. I'm extremely new to Smalltalk, but I was wondering if there was > a way to make Pharo have vi-keys (or even better, vim-keys)? > > Thanks! > ââ It's underway. The infrastructure is moving to a better (unified) way of specifying and handling shortcuts, and then vi and vim-keys and emacs and others should become available. Bad point: I should help with that effort, but given my deadlines for the end of the year, not sure I'll be of much help :(. Thierry -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Nov. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] just help :)

by Marcus Denker

On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:55 PM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > * Framework for seamless data/object-synchronization. I suggested this a while ago, didn't get much response. I don't blame anyone, there is not much need for this right now. What I would want is to be able to modify certain objects in my image, while offline, and connect to the Internet, and these objects be synchronized between other images. This way Internet-enabled apps could be built on top of Pharo in a better way that web-apps are built now (because, in Pharo you can not hit F5 and get fresh data ;-). But this is low-priority for me." > This is a hard problemâ¦ but if would be nice to have, yes. > > There is also Fuel which is a already very well known Pharo library again for serializing bytecode. > No, Fuel can serialize *any* objects. byte codes are not that hard to serialize, as they are actually already a serialized representation of the AST... Marcus

Nov. 30, 2012

[Pharo-project] Pharo Online Help new features

by Torsten Bergmann

Mhhh ... translating Markdown -> HTML directly using JavaScript in the webbrowser is a good idea. Showdown does have BSD license. But "PageDown" seems like a better option. It is MIT and comes with an editor too. One can try it here: http://pagedown.googlecode.com/hg/demo/browser/demo.html Would allow to view tutorial pages written in markus as HTML in the webbrowser and provide an "edit" mode with an online editor. After editing the markdown can be sent back to the Pharo image and stored as markup in methods/classes (to package it with usual tools). Thx Torsten

Nov. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] just help :)

by dimitris chloupis

" * Framework for inter-image communication (over Internet). I am hoping that somebody else takes on this. ThereÂ were rumors about such a project, but I didn't hear anything about the guy in a while. This would allow to do real-time collaboration over Internet, to play games, etc. Sebastian Sastre is interested in this, but for Amber Smalltalk (running on the web). * Framework for seamless data/object-synchronization. I suggested this a while ago, didn't get much response. I don't blame anyone, there is not much need for this right now. What I would want is to be able to modify certain objects in my image, while offline, and connect to the Internet, and these objects be synchronized between other images. This way Internet-enabled apps could be built on top of Pharo in a better way that web-apps are built now (because, in Pharo you can not hit F5 and get fresh data ;-). But this is low-priority for me." Take a look at Spoon. Currently Available for Squeak only, its author , Craig is currently porting it to Pharo too. Its a system that communicates object between images in bytecode level , locally and remotely and even version controls them. http://netjam.org/spoon/ There is also Fuel which is a already very well known Pharo library again for serializing bytecode. Actually you just touched 2 areas that deeply interest me and I think most of the Pharo community. Games depend a lot on graphic engines , that is also the focus of my project, hence my interest in Athens. So yes I don't think we are as apart as you may think.

Nov. 29, 2012