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Re: [Pharo-project] smalltalkhub and project ownership

by Esteban Lorenzano

team support is coming soon :) On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And what happens where is isnt't ONE gay? say there are 3 or 4 guys in the community that manage the project? what should we do? create a user named after the project? hahaha > > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > yes, you're right, but Norbert point is that, right now, you cannot fork the project (and you should be able to do it) > Esteban > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > >>> Is there an explanation why in smalltalkhub every project resides below a user? >> >> >> because things in this universe don't get done if someone isn't leading it? :D >> >> the leader of any project is (a) the curator of that project and (b) the one positioned to better inspire followers >> >> if people likes it, people follows the project and/or the guy >> >> if someone doesn't like the direction, that person can fork and lead it himself in another direction >> >> github got it right, I'm glad smalltalkhub too >> >> and it's not about mimicking github (which wouldn't be bad) it's mimicking the way people want to work >> >> it's about natural selection applied to software projects at its best >> >> makes sense? >> >> sebastian >> >> o/ >> >> PD: if someone abandons a project, no big deal, it will be there hanging out while another fork might be flourishing. Also projects property should be transferrable from one user to another for the cases in which that happens orderly. >> >> > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] smalltalkhub and project ownership

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And what happens where is isnt't ONE gay? say there are 3 or 4 guys in the > community that manage the project? what should we do? create a user named > after the project? hahaha > > > sorry, s/gay/guy (mixing english writing with spanish pronunciation) > On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> yes, you're right, but Norbert point is that, right now, you cannot fork >> the project (and you should be able to do it) >> >> Esteban >> >> >> On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Sebastian Sastre < >> sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >> >> Is there an explanation why in smalltalkhub every project resides below a >> user? >> >> >> because things in this universe don't get done if someone isn't leading >> it? :D >> >> the leader of any project is (a) the curator of that project and (b) the >> one positioned to better inspire followers >> >> if people likes it, people follows the project and/or the guy >> >> if someone doesn't like the direction, that person can fork and lead it >> himself in another direction >> >> github got it right, I'm glad smalltalkhub too >> >> and it's not about mimicking github (which wouldn't be bad) it's >> mimicking the way people want to work >> >> it's about natural selection applied to software projects at its best >> >> makes sense? >> >> sebastian <https://about.me/sebastianconcept> >> >> o/ >> >> PD: if someone abandons a project, no big deal, it will be there hanging >> out while another fork might be flourishing. Also projects property should >> be transferrable from one user to another for the cases in which that >> happens orderly. >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] smalltalkhub and project ownership

by Mariano Martinez Peck

And what happens where is isnt't ONE gay? say there are 3 or 4 guys in the community that manage the project? what should we do? create a user named after the project? hahaha On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > yes, you're right, but Norbert point is that, right now, you cannot fork > the project (and you should be able to do it) > > Esteban > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Sebastian Sastre < > sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > > Is there an explanation why in smalltalkhub every project resides below a > user? > > > because things in this universe don't get done if someone isn't leading > it? :D > > the leader of any project is (a) the curator of that project and (b) the > one positioned to better inspire followers > > if people likes it, people follows the project and/or the guy > > if someone doesn't like the direction, that person can fork and lead it > himself in another direction > > github got it right, I'm glad smalltalkhub too > > and it's not about mimicking github (which wouldn't be bad) it's mimicking > the way people want to work > > it's about natural selection applied to software projects at its best > > makes sense? > > sebastian <https://about.me/sebastianconcept> > > o/ > > PD: if someone abandons a project, no big deal, it will be there hanging > out while another fork might be flourishing. Also projects property should > be transferrable from one user to another for the cases in which that > happens orderly. > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] smalltalkhub and project ownership

by Esteban Lorenzano

yes, you're right, but Norbert point is that, right now, you cannot fork the project (and you should be able to do it) Esteban On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:47 PM, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >> Is there an explanation why in smalltalkhub every project resides below a user? > > > because things in this universe don't get done if someone isn't leading it? :D > > the leader of any project is (a) the curator of that project and (b) the one positioned to better inspire followers > > if people likes it, people follows the project and/or the guy > > if someone doesn't like the direction, that person can fork and lead it himself in another direction > > github got it right, I'm glad smalltalkhub too > > and it's not about mimicking github (which wouldn't be bad) it's mimicking the way people want to work > > it's about natural selection applied to software projects at its best > > makes sense? > > sebastian > > o/ > > PD: if someone abandons a project, no big deal, it will be there hanging out while another fork might be flourishing. Also projects property should be transferrable from one user to another for the cases in which that happens orderly. > >

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] smalltalkhub and project ownership

by Sebastian Sastre

> Is there an explanation why in smalltalkhub every project resides below a user? because things in this universe don't get done if someone isn't leading it? :D the leader of any project is (a) the curator of that project and (b) the one positioned to better inspire followers if people likes it, people follows the project and/or the guy if someone doesn't like the direction, that person can fork and lead it himself in another direction github got it right, I'm glad smalltalkhub too and it's not about mimicking github (which wouldn't be bad) it's mimicking the way people want to work it's about natural selection applied to software projects at its best makes sense? sebastian o/ PD: if someone abandons a project, no big deal, it will be there hanging out while another fork might be flourishing. Also projects property should be transferrable from one user to another for the cases in which that happens orderly.

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] I don't agree with DummyXXX

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 21.11.2012 18:55, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com > <mailto:siguctua@gmail.com>> wrote: > > On 21 November 2012 12:47, Fernando Olivero > <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch <mailto:fernando.olivero@usi.ch>> wrote: > > I totally agree. Dummy does not tell me about the class. > > > > Are there just 3 uses of Dummy in the core? > > > > We should either use Null or use a specific prefix always, so > its form a > > consisten pattern. > > > > DummyUIManager -> NullUIManager > > > yes, not "Headless" please. > > > why? > > It is not a complete NULL UIManager. A NullUIManager would implement > all the API and do nothing (or implement nothing but only > #doesNotUnderstand: doing nothing or something like that) > DummyUIManger DOES stuff, but it makes sures not to end up calling > the UI (like progress bar, notifications, confirmations, etc). So, in > this particular case, HeadlessUIManager is much more accurate for me > than Null. Same can be said for DummySoundSystem, it does route the Beeper sound to a tangible place. ;) How about MinimalXXX? As in, they do the least amount of things possible to still remain useful in a limited, yet non-null manner. Cheers, Henry

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] NativeBoost callbacks - status?

by Igor Stasenko

On 22 November 2012 12:11, Ciprian Teodorov <ciprian.teodorov(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Igor, > > What is the extent to which callbacks are currently supported in NB? > > On my machine (macos10.6) they do not seem to work properly. The quick sort > test crashes the VM. > hmm. should work fine. Make sure you using updated VM. > What are the limitations of the current implementation? the limitation is multithreading. callback should be called in same thread as VM. another limitation is that callback should be called only during execution of some primitive, or to be more precise. it is only related to interrupt/event handling of VM: no callbacks allowed during interrupt/event handling. but i will get to that once will have a code to check that (like making own callback to handle events from OS) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Re; About new TxText text model

by Igor Stasenko

On 22 November 2012 12:32, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 22 November 2012 11:47, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >> Hi Igor, >> >> The TxText model to me seems to mix two concerns. >> The storage of the text and manipulating it? Both cursor positioning >> and selection manipulation are view dependent, and there might >> be more than one. >> > > No. Please read my other replies to topic. > > - you have text model > - you have positions (in text) > - you have selection which is two positions > - you define operations, like insert, cut, replace which involving > text and positions in them. > - you cannot manipulate(edit) text without using positions > > where you see view dependent stuff? > It is completely orthogonal. > perhaps you talking about 'selection' which is part of TxModel state? then i agree that we may need to separate concerns here: - text storage - text selection. but you can do it even right now: | text selection | text := TxModel new. selection := TxSelection on: text. selection replaceWith: 'ABC'. selection all. selection start moveRight. selection end moveLeft. selection replaceWith: '---'. text asString 'A---C' i think we should remove 'selection' from TxModel class. And instead provide a protocol for getting a new one, i.e.: selection := text newSelection. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Re; About new TxText text model

by Igor Stasenko

On 22 November 2012 11:47, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: > Hi Igor, > > The TxText model to me seems to mix two concerns. > The storage of the text and manipulating it? Both cursor positioning > and selection manipulation are view dependent, and there might > be more than one. > No. Please read my other replies to topic. - you have text model - you have positions (in text) - you have selection which is two positions - you define operations, like insert, cut, replace which involving text and positions in them. - you cannot manipulate(edit) text without using positions where you see view dependent stuff? It is completely orthogonal. > Stephan > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 22, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] NativeBoost callbacks - status?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Normally it worked. Stef On Nov 22, 2012, at 12:11 PM, Ciprian Teodorov wrote: > Hi Igor, > > What is the extent to which callbacks are currently supported in NB? > > On my machine (macos10.6) they do not seem to work properly. The quick sort test crashes the VM. > > What are the limitations of the current implementation? > > Thanks > Ciprian >

Nov. 22, 2012