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Re: [Pharo-project] New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair]

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, it is decoupled, so separate it is just matter of create their own package :) I will do it, since yes, it can be useful outside Storm. Remember I prototyped this just to play a bit... at first I didn't think it could be more than just spending some time learning, now is becoming more "serious", so it deserves better structure :) Esteban On Nov 24, 2012, at 12:12 PM, Fernando Olivero <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: > I've just browsed through the code. > > Nice work on modeling Chipmunk in the image via NB. > > Could you separate this work from Storm? I think it deserves a package on its own. > > Fernando > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM, fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch <fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: > Nice example Esteban, now you need to add some explosions to the game! > > Curious on the usage of Chipmunk, do you replicate the walls, balls and gravity in smalltalk? Or use Athens just as "view". > > Fernando > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com<mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > thanks.. my "video recording skills" still need a lot of improvement, but I'm having fun so far :) > > I have an i7 2.8Ghz > > Esteban > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 11:46 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk><mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>>> wrote: > > > amazing stuff and it seems to run very fast taking also into account that you video record this. Thanks for sharing. > > What kind of processor you have ? > ________________________________ > From: EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] <ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64(a)n4.nabble.com<mailto:ml-node%2Bs1294792n4656561h64@n4.nabble.com><mailto:ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64@n4.nabble.com<mailto:ml-node%2Bs1294792n4656561h64@n4.nabble.com>>> > To: kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk><mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>>> > Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 12:41 > Subject: New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair] > > you ask it, you have it :) > > This is a new example of Athens+Chipmunk colliding 500 objects (1k works, but still needs some adjusts :) > > http://youtu.be/GkS6rHVUJko > > Esteban > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden email]<x-msg://6951/>> wrote: > > where are they these cool examples. > > Stef > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > and you have to see my 1k small spheres falling into a pot :P > (my objective is to get 2k and still be performant, I don't know if I will succeed, but is fun to try) > > and JB's joint example, btw :) > > Esteban > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden email]<x-msg://6951/>> wrote: > > You are welcome. > > Stef > > that what happens when i get tons of emails, i missed yours. But thanks to > world of smalltalk i found it. Thanks for sharing that great stuff I am > actually considering giving a helping hand to Athens , I really like it. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com<http://nabble.com/>. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… > To unsubscribe from Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair, click here<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…>. > NAML<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > > > > >

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair]

by Fernando Olivero

I've just browsed through the code. Nice work on modeling Chipmunk in the image via NB. Could you separate this work from Storm? I think it deserves a package on its own. Fernando On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM, fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch < fernando.olivero(a)usi.ch> wrote: > Nice example Esteban, now you need to add some explosions to the game! > > Curious on the usage of Chipmunk, do you replicate the walls, balls and > gravity in smalltalk? Or use Athens just as "view". > > Fernando > > > On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com > <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: > Hi, > > thanks.. my "video recording skills" still need a lot of improvement, but > I'm having fun so far :) > > I have an i7 2.8Ghz > > Esteban > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 11:46 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk > <mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk><mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk<mailto: > thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk>>> wrote: > > > amazing stuff and it seems to run very fast taking also into account that > you video record this. Thanks for sharing. > > What kind of processor you have ? > ________________________________ > From: EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] <ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64(a)n4.nabble.com > <mailto:ml-node%2Bs1294792n4656561h64@n4.nabble.com><mailto: > ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64(a)n4.nabble.com<mailto: > ml-node%2Bs1294792n4656561h64(a)n4.nabble.com>>> > To: kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk><mailto: > thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>>> > Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 12:41 > Subject: New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and > Igor's gray hair] > > you ask it, you have it :) > > This is a new example of Athens+Chipmunk colliding 500 objects (1k works, > but still needs some adjusts :) > > http://youtu.be/GkS6rHVUJko > > Esteban > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden > email]<x-msg://6951/>> wrote: > > where are they these cool examples. > > Stef > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > and you have to see my 1k small spheres falling into a pot :P > (my objective is to get 2k and still be performant, I don't know if I will > succeed, but is fun to try) > > and JB's joint example, btw :) > > Esteban > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden > email]<x-msg://6951/>> wrote: > > You are welcome. > > Stef > > that what happens when i get tons of emails, i missed yours. But thanks to > world of smalltalk i found it. Thanks for sharing that great stuff I am > actually considering giving a helping hand to Athens , I really like it. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com< > http://nabble.com/>. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… > To unsubscribe from Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair, click here< > http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no… > >. > NAML< > http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan… > > > > > > >

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair]

by Fernando Olivero

Nice example Esteban, now you need to add some explosions to the game! Curious on the usage of Chipmunk, do you replicate the walls, balls and gravity in smalltalk? Or use Athens just as "view". Fernando On Sat, Nov 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > > thanks.. my "video recording skills" still need a lot of improvement, but > I'm having fun so far :) > > I have an i7 2.8Ghz > > Esteban > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 11:46 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk > <mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>> wrote: > > > amazing stuff and it seems to run very fast taking also into account that > you video record this. Thanks for sharing. > > What kind of processor you have ? > ________________________________ > From: EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] <ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64(a)n4.nabble.com > <mailto:ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64@n4.nabble.com>> > To: kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk<mailto:thekilon@yahoo.co.uk>> > Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 12:41 > Subject: New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and > Igor's gray hair] > > you ask it, you have it :) > > This is a new example of Athens+Chipmunk colliding 500 objects (1k works, > but still needs some adjusts :) > > http://youtu.be/GkS6rHVUJko > > Esteban > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden > email]<x-msg://6951/>> wrote: > > where are they these cool examples. > > Stef > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > and you have to see my 1k small spheres falling into a pot :P > (my objective is to get 2k and still be performant, I don't know if I will > succeed, but is fun to try) > > and JB's joint example, btw :) > > Esteban > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden > email]<x-msg://6951/>> wrote: > > You are welcome. > > Stef > > that what happens when i get tons of emails, i missed yours. But thanks to > world of smalltalk i found it. Thanks for sharing that great stuff I am > actually considering giving a helping hand to Athens , I really like it. > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com< > http://nabble.com/>. > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… > To unsubscribe from Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair, click here< > http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no… > >. > NAML< > http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan… > > > > > >

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair]

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, thanks.. my "video recording skills" still need a lot of improvement, but I'm having fun so far :) I have an i7 2.8Ghz Esteban On Nov 24, 2012, at 11:46 AM, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > amazing stuff and it seems to run very fast taking also into account that you video record this. Thanks for sharing. > > What kind of processor you have ? > From: EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] <ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64(a)n4.nabble.com> > To: kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 12:41 > Subject: New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair] > > you ask it, you have it :) > > This is a new example of Athens+Chipmunk colliding 500 objects (1k works, but still needs some adjusts :) > > http://youtu.be/GkS6rHVUJko > > Esteban > > On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> where are they these cool examples. >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >>> and you have to see my 1k small spheres falling into a pot :P >>> (my objective is to get 2k and still be performant, I don't know if I will succeed, but is fun to try) >>> >>> and JB's joint example, btw :) >>> >>> Esteban >>> >>> >>> On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>>> You are welcome. >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>>> that what happens when i get tons of emails, i missed yours. But thanks to >>>>> world of smalltalk i found it. Thanks for sharing that great stuff I am >>>>> actually considering giving a helping hand to Athens , I really like it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… >>>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… > To unsubscribe from Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair, click here. > NAML > >

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair]

by dimitris chloupis

amazing stuff and it seems to run very fast taking also into account that you video record this. Thanks for sharing. What kind of processor you have ? ________________________________ From: EstebanLM [via Smalltalk] <ml-node+s1294792n4656561h64(a)n4.nabble.com> To: kilon <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 12:41 Subject: New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair] you ask it, you have it :) This is a new example of Athens+Chipmunk colliding 500 objects (1k works, but still needs some adjusts :)Â http://youtu.be/GkS6rHVUJko Esteban On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: where are they these cool examples. > >Stef > > >On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > >and you have to see my 1k small spheres falling into a pot :P >>(my objective is to get 2k and still be performant, I don't know if I will succeed, but is fun to try) >> >>and JB's joint example, btw :) >> >>Esteban >> >> >>On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> >>You are welcome. >>> >>>Stef >>> >>> >>>that what happens when i get tons of emails, i missed yours. But thanks to >>>>world of smalltalk i found it. Thanks for sharing that great stuff I am >>>>actually considering giving a helping hand to Athens , I really like it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- >>>>View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… >>>>Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ________________________________ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below:http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p4656561.html To unsubscribe from Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair, click here. NAML

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2.0 on Raspberry Pi ?

by Dan Corneanu

> On 23 Nov 2012, at 13:57, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven@...> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know how to make Pharo 2.0 run on a Raspberry Pi ? > > The out of the box VM is rather old. I have recompiled the stack VM from the latest source tarball http://www.squeakvm.org/unix/release/Squeak-4.10.2.2614- src.tar.gz and it seems the Pharo 1.4 image is happy with it. As soon as I get back I'll test the 2.0 image too and keep you posted.

Nov. 24, 2012

[Pharo-project] New Athens+Chipmunk example [WAS: Re: Athens, Nativeboost and Igor's gray hair]

by Esteban Lorenzano

you ask it, you have it :) This is a new example of Athens+Chipmunk colliding 500 objects (1k works, but still needs some adjusts :) http://youtu.be/GkS6rHVUJko Esteban On Nov 24, 2012, at 10:48 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > where are they these cool examples. > > Stef > > > On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> and you have to see my 1k small spheres falling into a pot :P >> (my objective is to get 2k and still be performant, I don't know if I will succeed, but is fun to try) >> >> and JB's joint example, btw :) >> >> Esteban >> >> >> On Nov 23, 2012, at 7:10 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> You are welcome. >>> >>> Stef >>> >>>> that what happens when i get tons of emails, i missed yours. But thanks to >>>> world of smalltalk i found it. Thanks for sharing that great stuff I am >>>> actually considering giving a helping hand to Athens , I really like it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Athens-Nativeboost-and-Igor-s-gray-hair-tp4656395p465… >>>> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 2.0 on Raspberry Pi ?

by Denis Kudriashov

Hello. Can you share prebuilt VM? I have linux mobile phone (meegoOS with ARMv7 processor). And I really want pharo on it. I try built VM by myself but without success. Best regards, Denis 2012/11/23 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > I am making progress. > > It seems 1.4 does run out of the box, at least headless: > > pi@raspberrypi ~/Pharo-1.4 $ cat test.st > > FileStream stdout > nextPutAll: 'Hello World, 42 factorial = '; print: 42 factorial; > crlf; flush. > > Smalltalk quitPrimitive. > > pi@raspberrypi ~/Pharo-1.4 $ /usr/lib/squeak/4.4.7-2357/squeakvm > -vm-display-null -vm-sound-null /home/pi/Pharo-1.4/Pharo-1.4.image > /home/pi/Pharo-1.4/test.st > > Hello World, 42 factorial = > 1405006117752879898543142606244511569936384000000000 > > > No HTTP server like apache is installed by default, lucky Zn comes with > Pharo then ;-) > > pi@raspberrypi ~/Pharo-1.4 $ cat zn.st > > ZnServer startDefaultOn: 1701. > > pi@raspberrypi ~/Pharo-1.4 $ /usr/lib/squeak/4.4.7-2357/squeakvm > -vm-display-null -vm-sound-null /home/pi/Pharo-1.4/Pharo-1.4.image > /home/pi/Pharo-1.4/zn.st > > > And now visit http://localhost:1701 or (with avahi-daemon installed) > http://raspberrypi.local:1701 from another machine, at first sight > everything seems to work as expected. Things are a bit slow with the slower > ARM CPU and a Stack VM, but that is normal. > > > As for 2.0, there seems to be some startup problem: > > > THERE_BE_DRAGONS_HERE > ==== Startup Error: FileDoesNotExist: file:///usr/lib/squeak/4.4.7-2357 > 23 November 2012 5:33:13.051 pm > > VM: unix - armv7l - linux - THERE_BE_DRAGONS_HERE > MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "do:" is nil > 23 November 2012 5:33:13.068 pm > > VM: unix - armv7l - linux - THERE_BE_DRAGONS_HERE > MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "do:" is nil > 23 November 2012 5:33:13.089 pm > > VM: unix - armv7l - linux - THERE_BE_DRAGONS_HERE > MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "do:" is nil > 23 November 2012 5:33:13.106 pm > > VM: unix - armv7l - linux - THERE_BE_DRAGONS_HERE > MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "do:" is nil > 23 November 2012 5:33:13.123 pm > > > Some code is referring to the VM directory and that seems to fail. Funny > there is no better/usable stacktrace. > > I wonder whether FileSystem is completely supported on older VMs ? > > > Sven > > > On 23 Nov 2012, at 13:57, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone know how to make Pharo 2.0 run on a Raspberry Pi ? > > > > I am running an up to date 2012-10-28-wheezy-raspbian (Linux raspberrypi > 3.2.27+ #250 PREEMPT Thu Oct 18 19:03:02 BST 2012 armv6l). There seems to > be a Stack VM on it, it does run Smalltalk code, but there is some > initialization error, a loop of > > > > VM: unix - armv7l - linux - THERE_BE_DRAGONS_HERE > > MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "do:" is nil > > 22 November 2012 8:55:09.996 pm > > > > in PharoDebug.log. > > > > I will (try to) look deeper into this, but if someone knows how to get > things working, I would be grateful for any help. > > > > It would be really great if we as a community would be able to offer > this as an option. > > > > Thx, > > > > Sven > > > > PS: I specifically want to run a (possibly patched) Pharo 2.0 image, not > something else. > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > >

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC: ARM jitter for Squeak VM

by Dan Corneanu

Bruce O'Neel <bruce.oneel@...> writes: > > Hi, > > The CogVM runs fine on my Android ARM phone, so, there can't > be some giant problem with CogVM on ARM. > > http://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds > > cheers As far as I know, both of them have no JIT support. Indeed the VM can be compiled for ARM, I already did that. Nevertheless, I am interested in seeing JIT for ARM. Best regards, Dan.

Nov. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] GSoC: ARM jitter for Squeak VM

by Bruce O'Neel

Hi, The CogVM runs fine on my Android ARM phone, so, there can't be some giant problem with CogVM on ARM. http://code.google.com/p/squeakvm-tablet/wiki/JenkinsBuilds cheers bruce On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 10:49:20AM +0000, Dan Corneanu wrote: > Hi, > I would really like to have a CogVM for ARM. I am a rookie in this field but I > own a raspberry pi and would love to help in any way possible to move this > forward. Testing maybe ? > > >

Nov. 24, 2012