November 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens OpenGL backend - what does it mean?

by Sebastian Nozzi

Wow!!! You have no idea how incredible I found to be reading something like this: "I am willing to invest years and if all goes well even decades of efforts since its an area that I love to code for". It definitely made my day! :-) Especially the last part, that you really *love* to code in this area (something I cannot but admire). I always found the Squeak/Pharo environment so cool to code in, the "aliveness" of the image, but also had the feeling that the graphics system was a little outdated. Unfortunately being unable to do something about it, first because I have no expertise in the area, and second, because... well... I guess I'm lazy and not patient/talented enough for graphics programming ;-). It is therefor great that Igor and now you showed up, able to improve in this area, and also willing :-) To sum it up: I always thought that open-source Smalltalk should *look* as great from the "outside" as it is cool on the "inside" (the semantics). It simply deserves no less. So I am really grateful for any effort put in this. Pharo already looks great, much has been archived, and I can't wait to see what you guys will come up with next... Best regards, Sebastian 2012/11/25 dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk>: > "eye candy" wise this is exactly the focus of my Ephestos project , Morpheas > section. A custom gui , gui designers for easy creating of GUIs by the user > and additional moprh widget with customized look including eye candy. > > I can't make any promises, as I have no clue what kind of obstacles and > technical limitations I am going to find in the process but I can tell you I > am willing to invest years and if all goes well even decades of efforts > since its an area that I love to code for. > > As a first part I am in the process of creating a tutorial generator which > will be ProfStef on steroids for at first offering tutorial for Athens and > later used for any kind of Pharo tutorial. > > I am also interested in helping Athens porting to OpenGL and generally using > NBOpenGL as the next step for Morphic. Excitting stuff the only thing it > worries me is the type of technical blocks / obstacles I may come across but > trying is certainly well worths it. > > > ________________________________ > From: Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 17:06 > Subject: [Pharo-project] Athens OpenGL backend - what does it mean? > > Hello Pharo Devs, > > I am really excited about the direction Pharo is taking regarding many > areas - one of them being the graphics. I played with Athens a bit and > it's cool to see anti-aliased vectror graphics coming to Pharo. > > I keep reading about a possible OpenGL back-end in the future... what > would this mean exactly? > > For years I have been "dreaming" about graphic-accelerated "eye-candy" > effects inside of the Smalltalk environment. Like compiz-fusion > effects in Linux, or Quartz-Extreme powerded in OS-X (ExposÃ©, etc.). > > Would this be possible with such a back-end? Or am I misinterpreting > things? I'm not a graphic-dev expert. > > Best regards, > > Sebastian > > >

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Tests coverage of basic packages

by Marcus Denker

Very nice! On Nov 25, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I created a Jenkins job [1] that tries to measure tests coverage of > Pharo Kernel. So if you want to see how good are we in this area for > basic Pharo packages, see the latest report [2]. > It is measured only by code simulation so the results are not perfect > and complete but for basic information it may be sufficient. > > Of course take it as a small incentive to improve credibility of our image :-) > > [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%20Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%202.… > > [2] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%20Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%202.… > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] dumpfs - inspecting floating point numbers

by Nicolas Cellier

Good idea 2012/11/25 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com>: > just adding a little custom inspector would do the job ;) > define Float>>#inspectorClass and add a new Inspector.. > > On 2012-11-25, at 06:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just came across this: >> >> http://blog.reverberate.org/2012/11/dumpfp-tool-to-inspect-floating-point.h… >> >> and I think it would be very cool to have something like that for Smalltalk, as a standard, builtin feature. >> >> It would fit the Smalltalk philosphy of understandability very well. >> >> Nicolas ? ;-) >> >> Sven >> >> >> -- >> Sven Van Caekenberghe >> http://stfx.eu >> Smalltalk is the Red Pill >> >> >> >> > >

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Tests coverage of basic packages

by Alexandre Bergel

It would be cool to plug the visualization of Hapao on this. You already have provided the infrastructure to collect the data, hapao gives a visual representation of it. Example here: http://bit.ly/hapaoExample Alexandre On Nov 25, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I created a Jenkins job [1] that tries to measure tests coverage of > Pharo Kernel. So if you want to see how good are we in this area for > basic Pharo packages, see the latest report [2]. > It is measured only by code simulation so the results are not perfect > and complete but for basic information it may be sufficient. > > Of course take it as a small incentive to improve credibility of our image :-) > > [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%20Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%202.… > > [2] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%20Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%202.… > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] dumpfs - inspecting floating point numbers

by Camillo Bruni

just adding a little custom inspector would do the job ;) define Float>>#inspectorClass and add a new Inspector.. On 2012-11-25, at 06:47, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Hi, > > I just came across this: > > http://blog.reverberate.org/2012/11/dumpfp-tool-to-inspect-floating-point.h… > > and I think it would be very cool to have something like that for Smalltalk, as a standard, builtin feature. > > It would fit the Smalltalk philosphy of understandability very well. > > Nicolas ? ;-) > > Sven > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > > >

Nov. 25, 2012

[Pharo-project] Tests coverage of basic packages

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, I created a Jenkins job [1] that tries to measure tests coverage of Pharo Kernel. So if you want to see how good are we in this area for basic Pharo packages, see the latest report [2]. It is measured only by code simulation so the results are not perfect and complete but for basic information it may be sufficient. Of course take it as a small incentive to improve credibility of our image :-) [1] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%20Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%202.… [2] https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/view/Pharo%20Kernel%202.0/job/Pharo%20Kernel%202.… Cheers, -- Pavel

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Athens OpenGL backend - what does it mean?

by dimitris chloupis

Oh I have little doubt I am going to regret in many painful ways :D but certainly having someone to offer at least some good advice can go a long way. So yes I am not kidding myself :D But I have come to realise in my life that none of the really fun things in life is easy so I am certainly diving in.Â Thanks Igor you already have helped me more than once getting through smalltalk code and not only. The good news is that you are an open and friendly community that welcomes contribution even from noobs like me and I think that is motivation by itself. ________________________________ From: Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2012, 16:10 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Athens OpenGL backend - what does it mean? .. and you can count on me in your quest for excellence :) On 25 November 2012 15:02, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > "eye candy" wise this is exactly the focus of my Ephestos project , Morpheas > section. A custom gui , gui designers for easy creating of GUIs by the user > and additional moprh widget with customized look including eye candy. > > I can't make any promises, as I have no clue what kind of obstacles and > technical limitations I am going to find in the process but I can tell you I > am willing to invest years and if all goes well even decades of efforts > since its an area that I love to code for. > > As a first part I am in the process of creating a tutorial generator which > will be ProfStef on steroids for at first offering tutorial for Athens and > later used for any kind of Pharo tutorial. > > I am also interested in helping Athens porting to OpenGL and generally using > NBOpenGL as the next step for Morphic. Excitting stuff the only thing it > worries me is the type of technical blocks / obstacles I may come across but > trying is certainly well worths it. > > > ________________________________ > From: Sebastian Nozzi <sebnozzi(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2012, 17:06 > Subject: [Pharo-project] Athens OpenGL backend - what does it mean? > > Hello Pharo Devs, > > I am really excited about the direction Pharo is taking regarding many > areas - one of them being the graphics. I played with Athens a bit and > it's cool to see anti-aliased vectror graphics coming to Pharo. > > I keep reading about a possible OpenGL back-end in the future... what > would this mean exactly? > > For years I have been "dreaming" about graphic-accelerated "eye-candy" > effects inside of the Smalltalk environment. Like compiz-fusion > effects in Linux, or Quartz-Extreme powerded in OS-X (ExposÃ©, etc.). > > Would this be possible with such a back-end? Or am I misinterpreting > things? I'm not a graphic-dev expert. > > Best regards, > > Sebastian > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Moose-dev] [Ann] 4.7 beta

by Alexandre Bergel

Nice to see such a progress Alexandre On Nov 24, 2012, at 8:47 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > As a result of the successful Moose Dojo that took place on November 15-16, Moose 4.7 entered the beta state. Some of the outcomes of the Dojo are: > - Cleaned a couple of hundred obsolete FAMIX navigation methods (by Robert and Nicolas) > - Fixed the major bug when editing code (by Andrei and Stephan) > - Fixed several other Glamour bugs (by Erwann) > - Worked on improving the PPAllParsersBrowser (by Jan) > - Got the GTDebugger to start to work with Bifrost (by Jorge and Andrei) > - Got Reloader almost ready to work with Metacello and produce a reloadable version of the complete Moose (by Stephane and me). > > The 6 remaining issues are listed on the issue tracker: > http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/list?q=milestone%3D4.7 > > Of these, the most important are: > - http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=869 (an unfortunate side effect of getting the code editing fast) > - http://code.google.com/p/moose-technology/issues/detail?id=865 (we need to find the way to get the proper loading order of all packages) > > Anyone want to join efforts on these? > > Ideally, we should release somewhere at the beginning of December. Afterwards, we move to Pharo 2.0. > > Cheers, > Doru > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "In a world where everything is moving ever faster, > one might have better chances to win by moving slower." > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Moose-dev mailing list > Moose-dev(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/moose-dev -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Re; About new TxText text model

by Igor Stasenko

On 25 November 2012 15:18, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hello > > 2012/11/22 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> >> On 22 November 2012 12:32, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > On 22 November 2012 11:47, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >> >> Hi Igor, >> >> >> >> The TxText model to me seems to mix two concerns. >> >> The storage of the text and manipulating it? Both cursor positioning >> >> and selection manipulation are view dependent, and there might >> >> be more than one. >> >> >> > >> > No. Please read my other replies to topic. >> > >> > - you have text model >> > - you have positions (in text) >> > - you have selection which is two positions >> > - you define operations, like insert, cut, replace which involving >> > text and positions in them. >> > - you cannot manipulate(edit) text without using positions >> > >> > where you see view dependent stuff? >> > It is completely orthogonal. >> > >> >> perhaps you talking about 'selection' which is part of TxModel state? >> then i agree that we may need to separate concerns here: >> - text storage >> - text selection. >> >> but you can do it even right now: >> >> | text selection | >> text := TxModel new. >> selection := TxSelection on: text. >> >> selection replaceWith: 'ABC'. >> selection all. >> selection start moveRight. >> selection end moveLeft. >> selection replaceWith: '---'. >> text asString >> 'A---C' >> >> i think we should remove 'selection' from TxModel class. >> And instead provide a protocol for getting a new one, i.e.: >> >> selection := text newSelection. > > > Agree with this Thanks, Denis and Stephen. You already made valuable contribution to the project by pointing on some design issues. I should turn back my eyes to it, once i will finish with NativeBoost update. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-Project] About new TxText text model

by Igor Stasenko

On 25 November 2012 15:08, Denis Kudriashov <dionisiydk(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/11/22 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> >> >> >> Hello. >> >> >> >> Can you add me as project contributor. I try to upload version with >> >> detailed comment from my first mail but can't. >> > >> > >> > My smalltalkhub nickname "dionisiy" >> >> done > > > I try to commit version (with comment) but 400 bad request error raised. > But I see myself as contributor at smalltalkhub project page. > Any ideas? > > no idea, maybe Nicolas could help? http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~sig/TxText/contributors -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Nov. 25, 2012