October 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Benjamin

It was part of my battle plan to rule the world ;) We wanted with Nico to part it to Amber to get the Javascript part for free, then generate some XUL :) Anyway, really cool job, and impressive as well :) Ben On Oct 9, 2012, at 11:07 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > It looks really nice. > I imagine that Spec could generate XUL too. > > Stef > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >> >> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >> information including more screenshots see the project page: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >> >> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >> >> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> <01.png> > >

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:31 PM, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > >> There is nothing special on the VM used by Phobos and there is no real >> reason for such behavior because Phobos is only a web application. > > Sure, I wasn't talking about the Phobos part, that's all great. > It's the Pharo window I want to play with at the moment. > >> The demo image is not good for browsing of the code because it doesn't >> contain changes file. > > Ah, okay. Well, it'd be a much nicer demo if I could explore the > code with the normal browsers. Reading it through the Phobos widgets > isn't so useful. You may replace it with your own Pharo 2.0 image, you only need to perform this code: Gofer it url: 'http://mc.stfx.eu/ZincHTTPComponents'; package: 'Zinc-HTTP'; package: 'Zinc-FileSystem'; package: 'Zinc-Tests'; package: 'Zinc-WebSocket-Core'; load. Gofer new squeaksource: 'Seaside30'; package: 'Grease-Core'; package: 'Grease-Pharo-Core'; package: 'Seaside-Pharo-Continuation'; load. Gofer new squeaksource: 'SCouchDB'; package: 'JSON'; load. Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'PavelKrivanek' project: 'Phobos'; package: 'Phobos-Core'; package: 'Phobos-XUL'; package: 'Phobos-HTML'; package: 'Phobos-Demo'; load. I haven't attached the changes and sources files because I wanted to see if it will bring some problems, how big the whole application will be then and because of space consumption. The application comes with Pharo Image, CogVM and XULRunner (that is almost whole Firefox) - that all makes it pretty big. Do not try to imagine one-click bundles for all platforms ;-) -- Pavel > > > thanks again, > > -C > > -- > Craig Latta > www.netjam.org/resume > +31 6 2757 7177 > + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS) > >

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

Unfortunately currently the Spec is too Morphic oriented and too closely linked with Morphic that it will require really huge effort to make it work. I will try to discuss it with Ben. -- Pavel On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 11:07 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > It looks really nice. > I imagine that Spec could generate XUL too. > > Stef > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >> >> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >> information including more screenshots see the project page: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >> >> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >> >> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> <01.png> > >

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Craig Latta

> There is nothing special on the VM used by Phobos and there is no real > reason for such behavior because Phobos is only a web application. Sure, I wasn't talking about the Phobos part, that's all great. It's the Pharo window I want to play with at the moment. > The demo image is not good for browsing of the code because it doesn't > contain changes file. Ah, okay. Well, it'd be a much nicer demo if I could explore the code with the normal browsers. Reading it through the Phobos widgets isn't so useful. thanks again, -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 6 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 9 October 2012 20:48, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >> >> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >> information including more screenshots see the project page: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >> >> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >> >> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. > > That looks fantastic, Pavel! How chatty is the communication between > the browser and the image? Quite a lot. The XUL is not sent to the client as XML string but in form of JSON objects (but there are good reasons to do it this way). But not all user events are sent from client to server. JavaScript sends only messages about execution of specified callbacks (for example 'oncommand' event for button). Some operations require several messages. For example if you click on a button that should send the result of a JavaScript expression to the Smalltalk, 3 messages are sent. -- Pavel > > frank > >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

It looks really nice. I imagine that Spec could generate XUL too. Stef On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk > framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for > Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. > > It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more > information including more screenshots see the project page: > > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ > > You should pay attentions to FAQ too: > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ > > Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine > XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > <01.png>

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

There is nothing special on the VM used by Phobos and there is no real reason for such behavior because Phobos is only a web application. I suppose that the resizing fails because the CogVM is started from inside of the XULRunner application. But the main issue is that the Pharo window is displayed on OSX at all ;-) The demo image is not good for browsing of the code because it doesn't contain changes file. -- Pavel On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 10:36 PM, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > > Very nice! > > Just FYI, on Mac OS 10.8.2 the Cog window doesn't redraw correctly > when resized, and becomes unresponsive. The default size is a bit small > for exploring the code. > > > thanks! > > -C > > -- > Craig Latta > www.netjam.org/resume > +31 6 2757 7177 > + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS) > >

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Frank Shearar

On 9 October 2012 20:48, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk > framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for > Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. > > It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more > information including more screenshots see the project page: > > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ > > You should pay attentions to FAQ too: > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ > > Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine > XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. That looks fantastic, Pavel! How chatty is the communication between the browser and the image? frank > Cheers, > -- Pavel

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Craig Latta

Very nice! Just FYI, on Mac OS 10.8.2 the Cog window doesn't redraw correctly when resized, and becomes unresponsive. The default size is a bit small for exploring the code. thanks! -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 6 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547 (no SMS)

Oct. 9, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel for Squeak stupid questions

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Edgar J. De Cleene <edgardec2005(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > > > On 10/9/12 4:00 AM, "Max Leske" <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I guess, your idea was to not use optimized encoding, right? > But that would have meant to serialize an extra DateAndTime object. So I > hacked together this quick fix (see attachment) that simply encodes another > int32 on the stream with the offset. The materialization method took care > of creating a new DateAndTime object anyway. > > With the fix, the Date tests pass. > > Cheers, > Max > > > Max: > > With your changes the test still fails in Squeak. > Very thanks for for show where the problem could be, I try see Date and > Timespan implementations > > In the meanwhile, can you test the workaround I proposed? (that is, remove Date>>#fuelAccept:) Thanks -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 9, 2012