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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 1:18 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > Ahoj Pavel, > > Very impressive indeed! I specially like WebSocket based communication > between UI and image. WebSockets as two way full-duplex communication > betwe web client and server and as upgrade of plain HTTP connection is > certainly the future for web apps, specially those with tightly coupled > web clients and servers. The support in latest versions of the web browsers starts to be finally good so it really makes sense to think about creation of something similar to Phobos for the general web development. > About XUL, what is your impression about its future and, do you plan > some replacement for it in the future, maybe with full HTML5, Amber > based maybe? XUL not fulfilled the expectations that have been inserted into it. The only big vendor that supports it is Mozilla. A the role of native non-web applications will certainly gradually decrease. So I have long wondered if I should devote time to this project. But XULRunner is actively developed and certainly in the long term will also. It is good enough for our needs and it is very close to the web development so possible future switch to HTML5 or something similar would be natural. From this point it is maybe better time investition than native UI bindings. If I will need it for some project (or if someone will support it), I will modify it for the web development too. Cheers, -- Pavel > > Best regads > Janko > > Dne 09. 10. 2012 21:48, piÅ¡e Pavel Krivanek: >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >> >> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >> information including more screenshots see the project page: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >> >> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >> >> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si >

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Ahoj Pavel, Very impressive indeed! I specially like WebSocket based communication between UI and image. WebSockets as two way full-duplex communication betwe web client and server and as upgrade of plain HTTP connection is certainly the future for web apps, specially those with tightly coupled web clients and servers. About XUL, what is your impression about its future and, do you plan some replacement for it in the future, maybe with full HTML5, Amber based maybe? Best regads Janko Dne 09. 10. 2012 21:48, piÅ¡e Pavel Krivanek: > Hi all, > > I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk > framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for > Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. > > It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more > information including more screenshots see the project page: > > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ > > You should pay attentions to FAQ too: > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ > > Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine > XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel for Squeak stupid questions

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 10/9/12 4:59 PM, "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> In the meanwhile, can you test the workaround I proposed? (that is, remove >> Date>>#fuelAccept:)Â >> > Thanks Sorry I miss your previous mail. With Date>>#fuelAccept: removed we have: > '240 run, 233 passes, 2 expected failures, 4 failures, 0 errors, 1 unexpected > passes' > FLBasicSerializationTest>>#testGradientFillStyle > FLInMemoryBasicSerializationTest>>#testGradientFillStyle > FLMigrationTest>>#testFormatFixedToVariable > FLMigrationTest>>#testFormatVariableToFixed > FLWeakObjectsTest>>#testAssociationWithWeakFinalizationList Edgar

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2012, at 11:04, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hmm, I tried to update the packages to load this fix, then I started >> the XULRunner to open a WebSockets connection and finally I tried to >> save the image. Unfortunately it hanged again :-( > > OK, I will try again on Linux myself later on. When I closed XULRunner after a while the image started to respond. So I tried to reproduce it but next time it didn't help. -- Pavel > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > > >

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 10 Oct 2012, at 11:04, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hmm, I tried to update the packages to load this fix, then I started > the XULRunner to open a WebSockets connection and finally I tried to > save the image. Unfortunately it hanged again :-( OK, I will try again on Linux myself later on. -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > On 10 Oct 2012, at 09:34, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> A substantial part of this is also your credit ;-) > > Thanks, Pavel, but you are exaggerating. > >> I would like to ask whether the issue with image hanging during >> resuming of the image with active connections is already solved. For >> the development I used few weeks old versions of Zinc packages. As you >> can imagine, it was sometimes really annoying to lost the image :-) > > I was about to write a whole explanation when I found something. > > Please add the following method: > > ZnManagingMultiThreadedServer>>#stop: unregister > super stop: unregister. > self closeConnections > > (ZnManagingMultiThreadedServer>>#stop can be removed). > > This could fix your issue. Hmm, I tried to update the packages to load this fix, then I started the XULRunner to open a WebSockets connection and finally I tried to save the image. Unfortunately it hanged again :-( -- Pavel > > Sven > > --- > Name: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.310 > Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe > Time: 10 October 2012, 10:48:30.703 am > UUID: a50aebff-8910-4553-95d7-b89a9e97a8f4 > Ancestors: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.309 > > bugfix: ZnManagingMultiThreadedServer was overwriting the wrong #stop method (thx Pavel Krivanek) > --- > > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > > >

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Pavel Krivanek > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> Impressive. >>> >>> I would be interested in investigating the possibility of rendering Glamour >>> on top of this. >> >> From the previous experiences I know that it will be quite easy to >> create OmniBrowser binding. So I think that with Glamour it will be >> similar. > > Ok. That is good news. > >>> I took a look at the internal of the image to see what is needed. Is there a >>> little description somewhere of how to assemble the parts? >> >> Can you be more concrete? > > I meant that it seems that I need several dependencies that are > external to the image. One approach would be to just take the bundle > you created and just update the image. But, to get the whole scenario > reproducible we would need to understand what exactly is needed to put > this bundle together and how to do it. The structure of XULRunner bundles is described on MDN: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XULRunner/Deploying_XULRunner_1.8. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/XULRunner/Creating_custom_app_bund… In Phobos it is complicated by the inclusion of CogVM. I'll try to improve the documentation of the packaging... -- Pavel > Cheers, > Doru > >> -- Pavel >> >>> Cheers, >>> Doru >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >>>> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >>>> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >>>> >>>> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >>>> information including more screenshots see the project page: >>>> >>>> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >>>> >>>> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >>>> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >>>> >>>> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >>>> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> -- Pavel >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> www.tudorgirba.com >>> >>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >> > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 10 Oct 2012, at 09:34, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > A substantial part of this is also your credit ;-) Thanks, Pavel, but you are exaggerating. > I would like to ask whether the issue with image hanging during > resuming of the image with active connections is already solved. For > the development I used few weeks old versions of Zinc packages. As you > can imagine, it was sometimes really annoying to lost the image :-) I was about to write a whole explanation when I found something. Please add the following method: ZnManagingMultiThreadedServer>>#stop: unregister super stop: unregister. self closeConnections (ZnManagingMultiThreadedServer>>#stop can be removed). This could fix your issue. Sven --- Name: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.310 Author: SvenVanCaekenberghe Time: 10 October 2012, 10:48:30.703 am UUID: a50aebff-8910-4553-95d7-b89a9e97a8f4 Ancestors: Zinc-HTTP-SvenVanCaekenberghe.309 bugfix: ZnManagingMultiThreadedServer was overwriting the wrong #stop method (thx Pavel Krivanek) --- -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Tudor Girba

Hi, On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 9:40 AM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> Impressive. >> >> I would be interested in investigating the possibility of rendering Glamour >> on top of this. > > From the previous experiences I know that it will be quite easy to > create OmniBrowser binding. So I think that with Glamour it will be > similar. Ok. That is good news. >> I took a look at the internal of the image to see what is needed. Is there a >> little description somewhere of how to assemble the parts? > > Can you be more concrete? I meant that it seems that I need several dependencies that are external to the image. One approach would be to just take the bundle you created and just update the image. But, to get the whole scenario reproducible we would need to understand what exactly is needed to put this bundle together and how to do it. Cheers, Doru > -- Pavel > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >>> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >>> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >>> >>> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >>> information including more screenshots see the project page: >>> >>> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >>> >>> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >>> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >>> >>> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >>> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -- Pavel >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Impressive. > > I would be interested in investigating the possibility of rendering Glamour > on top of this. >From the previous experiences I know that it will be quite easy to create OmniBrowser binding. So I think that with Glamour it will be similar. > I took a look at the internal of the image to see what is needed. Is there a > little description somewhere of how to assemble the parts? Can you be more concrete? -- Pavel > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >> >> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >> information including more screenshots see the project page: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >> >> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >> >> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Oct. 10, 2012