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[Pharo-project] Phobos and OmniBrowser

by Pavel Krivanek

Hi, for Phobos [1] I created a very basic support for CodeMirror (HTML code editor) and OmniBrowser (on Pharo 1.4) so I can share some cool screenshot with you again ;-) [1] http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ Cheers, -- Pavel

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on retina display

by Sean P. DeNigris

Tudor Girba-2 wrote > Did anyone find a solution to this problem? I just got used to the fuzziness :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-on-retina-display-tp4642567p4650783.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel for Squeak stupid questions

by Edgar J. De Cleene

On 10/10/12 11:04 AM, "Max Leske" <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Edgar, which version of Squeak are you using? > > Max Current Squeak 4.4 updated with some code I add. Edgar

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 9:50 AM, GÃ¶ran Krampe <goran(a)krampe.se> wrote: > Hi Pavel and all! > > > On 10/10/2012 02:15 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >>> >>> About XUL, what is your impression about its future and, do you plan >>> some replacement for it in the future, maybe with full HTML5, Amber >>> based maybe? >> >> >> XUL not fulfilled the expectations that have been inserted into it. >> The only big vendor that supports it is Mozilla. A the role of native >> non-web applications will certainly gradually decrease. So I have long >> wondered if I should devote time to this project. >> But XULRunner is actively developed and certainly in the long term >> will also. It is good enough for our needs and it is very close to the >> web development so possible future switch to HTML5 or something >> similar would be natural. From this point it is maybe better time >> investition than native UI bindings. > > > The XULRunner is very much such a "UI player" that I have envisioned for > over 20 years. Given the diversity of UI platforms these days I have always > thought the concept would gain more attraction - not less. > > On the other hand - the "no install" argument for pure web apps is still > very strong. > > One thing that could really boost the attractiveness of XUL is if we had > runners for iPhone/Android/WP8 etc. Quick googling shows a bit of > discussion, but no such beasts? >From a conceptual point of view XULRunners is really nice project. I heard something about FirefoxOS for mobile devices. If it will be based on XULRunner than it is probable that there will be a version for other platforms too. >> If I will need it for some project (or if someone will support it), I >> will modify it for the web development too. > > > I really think you should consider talking a bit to Nicolas and take a look > at what he has been doing with Amber plus Pharo backend (in SmalltalkHub for > example) using Magritte and Promises etc. > > Amber has a Seaside-canvas style UI framework with components called > "widgets" etc, and taking your work in XUL and putting it into Amber seems > like a perfect fit IMHO. > > And it would also create a really nice native UI Smalltalk IDE. :) I played with the idea of combination of Amber and XULRunner. And I treid to do some experiments in this direction. Because then Amber would be standalone desktop Smalltalk implementation that would use XULRunner as Virtual Machine. Maybe sometimes ... :-) -- Pavel > > regards, GÃ¶ran >

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Pavel Krivanek

Can you please send a screenshot? Quick look at Google told me that Firefox has similar problems. Try to add this line to the defaults/preferences/prefs.js pref("layers.acceleration.disabled", true); XUL can be modified by styles like HTML. Maybe it can be fixed by special stylesheet. -- Pavel On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 10:19 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > I tested Phobos on a Mac Retina, and it appears fuzzy. Is there any > possibility to fix this? > > Doru > > > On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk >> framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for >> Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. >> >> It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more >> information including more screenshots see the project page: >> >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ >> >> You should pay attentions to FAQ too: >> http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ >> >> Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine >> XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Every thing has its own flow" >

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Tudor Girba

I tested Phobos on a Mac Retina, and it appears fuzzy. Is there any possibility to fix this? Doru On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 9:48 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to introduce you Phobos - the XULRunner based Smalltalk > framework for development of native GUI with standard look&feel for > Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. > > It is based on Zinc, WebSockets and Seaside continuations. For more > information including more screenshots see the project page: > > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/ > > You should pay attentions to FAQ too: > http://code.google.com/p/phobos-framework/wiki/FAQ > > Phobos has Seaside-like components and rendering style, can combine > XUL with HTML or SVG, supports printing etc. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by GÃ¶ran Krampe

Hi Pavel and all! On 10/10/2012 02:15 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: >> About XUL, what is your impression about its future and, do you plan >> some replacement for it in the future, maybe with full HTML5, Amber >> based maybe? > > XUL not fulfilled the expectations that have been inserted into it. > The only big vendor that supports it is Mozilla. A the role of native > non-web applications will certainly gradually decrease. So I have long > wondered if I should devote time to this project. > But XULRunner is actively developed and certainly in the long term > will also. It is good enough for our needs and it is very close to the > web development so possible future switch to HTML5 or something > similar would be natural. From this point it is maybe better time > investition than native UI bindings. The XULRunner is very much such a "UI player" that I have envisioned for over 20 years. Given the diversity of UI platforms these days I have always thought the concept would gain more attraction - not less. On the other hand - the "no install" argument for pure web apps is still very strong. One thing that could really boost the attractiveness of XUL is if we had runners for iPhone/Android/WP8 etc. Quick googling shows a bit of discussion, but no such beasts? > If I will need it for some project (or if someone will support it), I > will modify it for the web development too. I really think you should consider talking a bit to Nicolas and take a look at what he has been doing with Amber plus Pharo backend (in SmalltalkHub for example) using Magritte and Promises etc. Amber has a Seaside-canvas style UI framework with components called "widgets" etc, and taking your work in XUL and putting it into Amber seems like a perfect fit IMHO. And it would also create a really nice native UI Smalltalk IDE. :) regards, GÃ¶ran

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo on retina display

by Tudor Girba

Did anyone find a solution to this problem? Doru On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen < henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: > On 01.08.2012 21:56, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > >> Like all apps not upgraded for retina, Pharo looks pixelated and fuzzy on >> the >> new MBPs. Is there any workaround which at least makes the text less >> fuzzy? >> >> http://forum.world.st/file/**n4642567/Screen_Shot_2012-08-** >> 01_at_3.48.23_PM.png<http://forum.world.st/file/n4642567/Screen_Shot_2012-08-01_at_3.48.23_PM.png> >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-** >> on-retina-display-tp4642567.**html<http://forum.world.st/Pharo-on-retina-display-tp4642567.html> >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> There is TextStyle pixelsPerInch, which is adherred to by the TrueType > fonts, but setting that to a correct value probably plays badly with > whatever post-scaling OSX does for non-retina aware apps... > > Cheers, > Henry > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

Oct. 11, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel for Squeak stupid questions

by Max Leske

Edgar, which version of Squeak are you using? Max On 10.10.2012, at 12:52, Edgar J. De Cleene <edgardec2005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 10/9/12 4:59 PM, "Mariano Martinez Peck" <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> In the meanwhile, can you test the workaround I proposed? (that is, remove >>> Date>>#fuelAccept:) >>> >> Thanks > > Sorry I miss your previous mail. > > With Date>>#fuelAccept: removed we have: > >> '240 run, 233 passes, 2 expected failures, 4 failures, 0 errors, 1 unexpected >> passes' >> FLBasicSerializationTest>>#testGradientFillStyle >> FLInMemoryBasicSerializationTest>>#testGradientFillStyle >> FLMigrationTest>>#testFormatFixedToVariable >> FLMigrationTest>>#testFormatVariableToFixed >> FLWeakObjectsTest>>#testAssociationWithWeakFinalizationList > > Edgar > > >

Oct. 10, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Phobos

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Dne 10. 10. 2012 14:15, piÅ¡e Pavel Krivanek: >> About XUL, what is your impression about its future and, do you plan >> some replacement for it in the future, maybe with full HTML5, Amber >> based maybe? > > XUL not fulfilled the expectations that have been inserted into it. > The only big vendor that supports it is Mozilla. A the role of native > non-web applications will certainly gradually decrease. So I have long > wondered if I should devote time to this project. > But XULRunner is actively developed and certainly in the long term > will also. It is good enough for our needs and it is very close to the > web development so possible future switch to HTML5 or something > similar would be natural. From this point it is maybe better time > investition than native UI bindings. It seems Mozilla is already actively working and proposing new HTML5 APIs like this one added to just released Firefox 16 : Getting started with making Web Apps https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Apps/Getting_Started After all that HTML5 infrastructure will be in-place, they will IMHO provide a painless transition from XUL as well. Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

Oct. 10, 2012