October 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] How to deliver real-time web and mobile applications?

by Craig Latta

Hi Sebastian-- > Imagine having 2 related VMs (or unrelated, but with some related > object graph) in two parts of the world. One user changes one object > in the fist one, another changes another (or the same) object in the > second one. When they contact the cloud they synchronize automatically > (either peer-to-peer or to/from a trusted server). And I see the > changes happening automatically, without having to do a thing. Awesome > right? Now that "VM" (or object graph) could be Pharo, or a web-app in > Amber, why not... > > If both are connected, then the changes occur immediately, and we > experience it in "real-time". If the connect at different points in > time, then the changes are delayed (delayed collaboration, or > synchronization). Naiad (Spoon's module system) does this for classes, methods, modules, and authors. http://netjam.org/naiad -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 6 2757 7177 + 1 510 396 5727

Oct. 28, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Localization and translation

by Benoit St-Jean

What does it mean truly?Â Â Â Well, I guess more and more people would make their apps multilingual if they had a localization/translation framework.Â I guess this is especially true in Europe (and in Quebec for sure!) but also in many specific parts of the USA (for instance in Texas I guess one would want to support English and Spanish at least). >From a functionality standpoint, not having a localization/translation framework is not a show-stopper since it looks like almost everyone understands English on this planet!Â But it would be nice to be able to provide apps in our native language and in other languages end users would want. I guess we should at least start talking and thinking about it so that when comes the time to work on this, we'd already know where we're heading and how we'd do it. What do you think? Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) >________________________________ > From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >To: Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> >Cc: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 6:08:26 PM >Subject: Re: Localization and translation > > >> Bonjour StÃ©phane, >> >> I seem to have found the cause of the problem with Locale and translation :Â http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2424 >> >> Is this migration to gettext still "en route" and active? Was it abandoned? > >No abandoned but not top priority. > >> If we want a truly multilingual Pharo (and/or at least provide support for translation), we should definitely start looking at this very seriously! > >what does it mean truly? > >Stef >> >> What do you think? >> >> Anyone working on this localization/translation stuff ? >> >>Â >> ----------------- >> Benoit St-Jean >> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >> A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. >> (Albert Einstein) >> > > > >

Oct. 28, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [Bug] New critical issue for 2.0 6885

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Issue 6885: Image can't starts and hangs when can't found required free type font files On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > Hello. > > I open new ticket http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6885 > And I think it is very critical to be solved in 2.0. > > Best regards, > Denis >

Oct. 28, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Localization and translation

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Bonjour StÃ©phane, > > I seem to have found the cause of the problem with Locale and translation : http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2424 > > Is this migration to gettext still "en route" and active? Was it abandoned? No abandoned but not top priority. > If we want a truly multilingual Pharo (and/or at least provide support for translation), we should definitely start looking at this very seriously! what does it mean truly? Stef > > What do you think? > > Anyone working on this localization/translation stuff ? > > > ----------------- > Benoit St-Jean > Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) >

Oct. 28, 2012

[Pharo-project] [Bug] New critical issue for 2.0 6885

by Denis Kudriashov

Hello. I open new ticket http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6885 And I think it is very critical to be solved in 2.0. Best regards, Denis

Oct. 28, 2012

[Pharo-project] Localization and translation

by Benoit St-Jean

Bonjour StÃ©phane, I seem to have found the cause of the problem with Locale and translation :Â http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2424 Is this migration to gettext still "en route" and active? Was it abandoned? If we want a truly multilingual Pharo (and/or at least provide support for translation), we should definitely start looking at this very seriously! What do you think? Anyone working on this localization/translation stuff ? Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) >

Oct. 28, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] File sharing on the network

by Alexandre Bergel

Zinc should do the thing I guess. I have no experience in that as well Alexandre On Oct 28, 2012, at 4:38 PM, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)edu.ge.ch> wrote: > Le 28/10/2012 20:30, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >>> So it does not need any Smalltalk code ? Does it work with http messages >>> or something like that? >> >> I think so since you get files from a webbrowser >> >> Alexandre >> > > Do you know Smalltalk code example I can get inspiration from ? > > Thanks > > Hilaire > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 28, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Bug 6596

by Benoit St-Jean

Unfortunately StÃ©phane, it looks like someone put the axe in all the Localization/Translation stuff...Â Unless there's a new Locale/Translation framework and I missed it, it'll take some major effort to be able to print months, week days and other stuff in French or any other language!Â :(Â Right now, the localization/translation code is broken in Pharo. Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) >________________________________ > From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com> >Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 12:56:24 PM >Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Bug 6596 > > >On Oct 28, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> While looking at bug 6596, I started wondering why we didn't have more options to print dates (and/or their parts).Â I've gathered "date formats" printing options from various sources and started implementing all those different formats and options. >> I have implemented 6 new methods to print the different date components/parts/timespans. >> >> Do you think this stuff would be useful?Â > >Yes >I often just want the one that is not there :) >Note that in French we have > >>Â 14 mai 2002 > >So it would be good to support it. I imagine that we can with the #(d m y) description. > > > > >> Anything missing?Â >> >> Here are the supported format options I came up with.Â Most of them are already implemented, now it's just a matter of writing the numerous missing unit tests!Â ;) >> >> Comments, complaints and suggestions are welcome! >> >> a) Year formatsÂ (#printYearWithFormat:) >> >> May 14, -7 >> May 14 2002 >> >> 1-Year, signed (-7 and 2002) >> 2-Year, last 2 digits, signed (-07 and 02) >> 3-Year, last 3 digits, signed (-007 and 002) >> 4-Year, last 4 digits or more digits if year is greater than 9999, signed (-0007 and 2002) >> 5-Year, unsigned (7 and 2002) >> 6-Year, last 2 digits, unsigned (07 and 02) >> 7-Year, last 3 digits, unsigned (007 and 002) >> 8-Year, last 4 digits or more digits if year is greater than 9999, unsigned (0007 and 2002) >> 9-Year in roman numerals (n/a and MMII) >> 10-Year (full, no padding) with epoch AD/BC (7 BC and 2002 AD) >> 11-Year (full, no padding) with epoch A.D./B.C. (7 B.C. and 2002 A.D.) >> 12-Year (full, no padding) with epoch ad/bc (7 bc and 2002 ad) >> 13-Year (full, no padding) with epoch a.d./b.c. (7 b.c. and 2002 a.d.) >> >> b) Month formats (#printMonthWithFormat:) >> >> Tuesday, September 18 2012 >> >> 1-Month , no padding (9) >> 2-Month padded to 2 digits (09) >> 3-Month name abreviation (Sep) >> 4-Month name (September) >> 5-Month name abreviation in uppercase (SEP) >> 6-Month name in uppercase (SEPTEMBER) >> 7-Month name abreviation in lowercase (sep) >> 8-Month name in lowercase (september) >> 9-Month number in Roman numerals (IX) >> >> c) Day formats (#printDayWithFormat:) >> >> Saturday, December 1 2012 >>Â Â >> 1-Day of the month, no padding (1) >> 2-Day of the month padded to 2 digits (01) >> 3-Abbreviated day of week (Sat) >> 4-Complete day of week (Saturday) >> 5-Abbreviated day of week in uppercase (SAT) >> 6-Complete day of week in uppercase (SATURDAY) >> 7-Abbreviated day of week in lowercase (sat) >> 8-Complete day of week lowercase (saturday) >> 9-Day of the month with english suffix (1st) >> 10-Day of the year (336) >> 11-Day of the year with English suffix (336th) >> 12-Day of the week index [0=sunday 6 = saturday] (6) >> 13-Day of the week index [1=sunday 7 = saturday] (7) >> 14-Day of the week index [0=monday 6 = sunday] (5) >> 15-Day of the week index [1=monday 7 = sunday] (6) >> 16-Julian day, i.e. days since January 1, 4712 BC (2456263) >> >> d) Week formats (#printWeekWithFormat:) >> >> 1-Week of the year (1..53) where Sunday if the first day of the week >> 2-Week of the year (1..53) where Monday if the first day of the week >> >> e) Era formats (#printEraWithFormat:) >> >> 1-Era AD or BC >> 2-Era A.D. or B.C. >> 3-Era ad or bc >> 4-Era a.d. or b.c. >> >> f) Century formats (#printCenturyWithFormat:) >> >> 1-Century (20) >> 2-Century with English suffix (20th) >> >>Â >> ----------------- >> Benoit St-Jean >> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >> A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. >> (Albert Einstein) > > > >

Oct. 28, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] File sharing on the network

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 28/10/2012 20:48, Camillo Bruni a Ã©crit : >> Do you know Smalltalk code example I can get inspiration from ? > > > If you plan to go big, why not an Amazon S3 backend for FileSystem? > I checked once, shouldn't be that much of work. > > Once you got that, sharing files is as easy as accessing local ones... Nothing big needed. I want to let drgeo users share file on the network. I have now ftp but it is a bit outdate for this kind of use. Hilaire

Oct. 28, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] File sharing on the network

by Camillo Bruni

On 2012-10-28, at 20:38, Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)edu.ge.ch> wrote: > Le 28/10/2012 20:30, Alexandre Bergel a Ã©crit : >>> So it does not need any Smalltalk code ? Does it work with http messages >>> or something like that? >> >> I think so since you get files from a webbrowser >> >> Alexandre >> > > Do you know Smalltalk code example I can get inspiration from ? If you plan to go big, why not an Amazon S3 backend for FileSystem? I checked once, shouldn't be that much of work. Once you got that, sharing files is as easy as accessing local ones... best cami

Oct. 28, 2012