October 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story?

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > Have something to share? > > What's your story with it? > > What got you excited? why it worked for you? FWIW: http://www.pharo-project.org/about/success-stories -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story?

by Marcus Denker

On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:05 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi. One of things that people outside of the community was most impressed from the stuff I show/write is how we can serialize stacks/debuggers and move them to another image. This is a combination of a lot of stuff, but basically, a great dynamic language, with decent reflection capabilities, stack reified from the language side, and cool libraries that take that into account. > Some links about this: > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/moving-contexts-and-debuggers-b… > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/reviving-ci-test-failures-in-lo… > > What I am most happy about is that we started (slowly) a feedback loop: Improving something gets easier because of an improvement we did. For me, this was one of the reasons to do Pharo... to not always destroy every improvement by saying: "No, this is not good enough". It is sad that especially intelligent people are very good at seeing the faults, but not realizing that building a feedback loop is more important than being perfect with the first iteration... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] RPackage by-hand code

by Esteban Lorenzano

I also would like to collect how your methods were missing... it is reproducible? Esteban On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > is there an MCWorkingCopy of your code package? > > MCWorkingCopy allManagers. > > and a package info? > > PackageIngo allPackages. > > Esteban > > On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > >> Le 17/10/2012 13:49, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>> Hi, >>> >>> RPackageOrganizer initialize. >>> >>> should do it. >>> >>> Esteban >> >> It doesn't. >> >> Trust me, I tried. Multiple times :( >> >> Thierry >> >>> On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have a problem in Pharo 2.0, among the recent updates, RPackage lost most of the code in one of my packages. Would someone know how to write a small script to force a reload in RPackage of a Smalltalk Category ? >>>> >>>> The code is still there, in the right system category, but neither Nautilus nor Monticello sees it, and I'm afraid of doing anything like saving the package which would erase most of what is in it. >>>> >>>> My Pharo version is 20346. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance, >>>> >>>> Thierry >>>> -- >>>> Thierry Goubier >>>> CEA list >>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>> France >>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> >

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Sebastian Sastre < sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > Hey there, > > I'm collecting some stories from smalltalkers to tell people how exciting > this is. > > Have something to share? > > What's your story with it? > > What got you excited? why it worked for you? > > Hi. One of things that people outside of the community was most impressed from the stuff I show/write is how we can serialize stacks/debuggers and move them to another image. This is a combination of a lot of stuff, but basically, a great dynamic language, with decent reflection capabilities, stack reified from the language side, and cool libraries that take that into account. Some links about this: http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/01/19/moving-contexts-and-debuggers-b… http://marianopeck.wordpress.com/2012/07/25/reviving-ci-test-failures-in-lo… Good luck! > sebastian > > o/ > > pd: I'm going to mention mainly about pharo and amber > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] RPackage by-hand code

by Esteban Lorenzano

is there an MCWorkingCopy of your code package? MCWorkingCopy allManagers. and a package info? PackageIngo allPackages. Esteban On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > Le 17/10/2012 13:49, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >> Hi, >> >> RPackageOrganizer initialize. >> >> should do it. >> >> Esteban > > It doesn't. > > Trust me, I tried. Multiple times :( > > Thierry > >> On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have a problem in Pharo 2.0, among the recent updates, RPackage lost most of the code in one of my packages. Would someone know how to write a small script to force a reload in RPackage of a Smalltalk Category ? >>> >>> The code is still there, in the right system category, but neither Nautilus nor Monticello sees it, and I'm afraid of doing anything like saving the package which would erase most of what is in it. >>> >>> My Pharo version is 20346. >>> >>> Thanks in advance, >>> >>> Thierry >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] RPackage by-hand code

by Goubier Thierry

Le 17/10/2012 13:49, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > RPackageOrganizer initialize. > > should do it. > > Esteban It doesn't. Trust me, I tried. Multiple times :( Thierry > On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I have a problem in Pharo 2.0, among the recent updates, RPackage lost most of the code in one of my packages. Would someone know how to write a small script to force a reload in RPackage of a Smalltalk Category ? >> >> The code is still there, in the right system category, but neither Nautilus nor Monticello sees it, and I'm afraid of doing anything like saving the package which would erase most of what is in it. >> >> My Pharo version is 20346. >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Thierry >> -- >> Thierry Goubier >> CEA list >> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >> France >> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >> > > > > -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] RPackage by-hand code

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, RPackageOrganizer initialize. should do it. Esteban On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a problem in Pharo 2.0, among the recent updates, RPackage lost most of the code in one of my packages. Would someone know how to write a small script to force a reload in RPackage of a Smalltalk Category ? > > The code is still there, in the right system category, but neither Nautilus nor Monticello sees it, and I'm afraid of doing anything like saving the package which would erase most of what is in it. > > My Pharo version is 20346. > > Thanks in advance, > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] RPackage by-hand code

by Camillo Bruni

You can try RPackageOrganizer initialize but that does not always work :/ On 2012-10-17, at 13:41, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > I have a problem in Pharo 2.0, among the recent updates, RPackage lost most of the code in one of my packages. Would someone know how to write a small script to force a reload in RPackage of a Smalltalk Category ? > > The code is still there, in the right system category, but neither Nautilus nor Monticello sees it, and I'm afraid of doing anything like saving the package which would erase most of what is in it. > > My Pharo version is 20346. > > Thanks in advance, > > Thierry > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Oct. 17, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Fuel for Squeak stupid questions

by Max Leske

The Fuel bug also exists in Pharo (Fuel simply doesn't write out the local offset information) but the timezones seem to be fine. On 17.10.2012, at 12:32, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Max Leske <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Edgar, > > There is indeed a bug in Fuel, namely Fuel ignores the local time zone. > The reason why I didn't detect that in my image is that Squeak seems to have some problems of its own in determining the correct time zoneâ¦ :) > > > Mmmmmm is this Squeak only or also in Pharo? > > > I'll write a fix for that. > > Cheers, > Max > > On 16.10.2012, at 12:55, Edgar J. De Cleene <edgardec2005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 10/16/12 3:52 AM, "Max Leske" <maxleske(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I checked against build 11925 (found here: http://ftp.squeak.org/trunk/) Did > >> you get your image from somewhere else? > >> I can take a look at the image if you like. You'd just have to put it > >> somewhere for me to download (together with the changes of course). > >> > >> Max > >> > > > > Changes was grouped into 'SL' ChangeSet > > > > These days try to learn from Fuel and from Phobos to get into this image, > > currently I use modify HV2 as light web framework > > > > The .image is saved as NO Cog format and runs with both Elliot and Esteban > > or with old John, in my case I have old hardware (that's why I saved and > > updated with Squeak 4.2.5beta1U ) > > > > I send direct to you as this is very preliminar for going public > > > > Very thanks > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

Oct. 17, 2012

[Pharo-project] what is your pharo story?

by Sebastian Sastre

Hey there, I'm collecting some stories from smalltalkers to tell people how exciting this is. Have something to share? What's your story with it? What got you excited? why it worked for you? sebastian o/ pd: I'm going to mention mainly about pharo and amber

Oct. 17, 2012