October 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] RFB on pharo 2.0

by Norbert Hartl

Does anyone have a working RFB version for pharo 2.0? Norbert

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] new command line api to build images

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 18, 2012, at 6:45 PM, sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com wrote: > a factory of images, interesting... > > this comes to mind: > > Werner Vogels, Amazon's CTO, once said "make your administration part of the app" > > this feature seems to open that door in a deep level for Pharo and we want to have OSProcess integrated in the system too :) > > keep the good work > > sebastian > > o/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Guido Chari" <charig(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:13:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] new command line api to build images > > Very cool and useful!!! > > > I bet that most of the work that bash is doing could be done from the image. So a nice next to for the future could be... > > > ImageInstaller new installNewImageWithName: '' intoDirectory: '' withConfigurations: #(...), etc.. > > > Guido. > > > > 2012/10/18 Sven Van Caekenberghe < sven(a)stfx.eu > > > > > > On 18 Oct 2012, at 16:13, Camillo Bruni < camillobruni(a)gmail.com > wrote: > >> We're almost there, create your images from the command-line with a >> very limited number of bash lines ;) >> >> #==================================================================================== >> VM=`pharo-shell-scripts/fetchLatestVM.sh` >> unzip -ou Pharo-2.0.zip -d . && cd Pharo-2.0 >> >> $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image config http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/ci ConfigurationOfCI --install >> $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image save CI --delete-old >> >> zip -r CI.zip CI.changes CI.image *.sources >> #==================================================================================== >> >> there you go, a new image named CI with the given configuration installed. >> >> We still have to extend the API a little bit to support loading specific groups >> from a Metacello config + accessing repositories by username and password. >> >> >> best >> cami > > > Beautiful software ! > > I think I would first save under a new name without deleting and then do an install to keep the original clean. > > Good work. > > Sven > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > >

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

+ 1 > I think that the examples related with stuff invented 30 years ago will > depend on the audience. > Most programmers, young ones in particular, have a deep lack of knowledge > about the history of technology , they barely know about the tools they use > everyday, and they don't have interest in learning about them either. So > saying to them that Smalltalk invented BitBlt, is like talking them about > punched cards. At least that is my experience.

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story?

by Alexandre Bergel

That's awesome! I am sure you have screenshots :-) Please send! Alexandre On Oct 18, 2012, at 1:56 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > for your information jb did a blender importer and you can play with blender 3d objects in Pharo. > > Stef > > > On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:43 PM, dimitris chloupis wrote: > >> >> I am a blender developer , using python to make blender addons. My latest complete one is Gyes and Random Material and Texture Generator. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/System/Gyes >> >> Since I was a child I was dreaming of making a system that would use GUIs like the one that I saw in many spaceship movies, fluid futuristic GUIs that could issue way more complex commands than our modern window type GUIs. It was a childs dream, filed as too ambitious and stored there with the rest of too far fetched child dreams. And it was early this year that I was introduced to Smalltalk. I really like python but it was obvious to me that I needed something a lot more. It was that itch I had to scratch. I was very impressed with morphic and squeak and the whole enviroment and of course pharo. I was looking for a live coding enviroment with an ephasis on visual side and I think smalltalk fit like a glove for me. Morphic fit exactly my lego brick logic, I am a very synthetic person I like to keep things minimal and simple and synthesize complex structures out of them. Its a workflow I follow with my entire life not just coding. >> >> So I started a thread in Blenderartists forum ( http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?250375-A-Visual-Programming-… ) about how people saw the possibility of implementing a visual programming enviroment for blender with a very flexible GUI. I thought it would be one of those threads that none really cared and people would say "we have python why bother with a visual coding enviroment at all, python is very easy to learn" or "why should I care about coding at all I am merely a user". And of course I had such reactions but to my surprise the thread just went viral and people seems very excited with the ideas of Ephestos. >> >> So we sat down with another developer using Morphic code from a smalltalk coder , that he made for python and pygame and we tried to port to Blender libraries instead. Code wise it went much better in our side , suprisingly enough both he and found Morphic very easy to understand. But we came across some severe bugs and limitations at blender side that make it evident that if I wanted to keep this in python I had to dirty my hands with some C and diving inside Blender source. >> >> It also became more and more evident that squeak and pharo already implemented many of the ideas I had for Ephestos, and there was no way I could port all the features both offered to python just me and another coder in our free time. So I did the logical thing. Droped the idea of keeping the project pure python and now I have slowly started to porting it to Squeak/Pharo and I am using sockets to communicate with blender. >> >> The goal is of course Visual Coding together with several other ideas I have for RAD. Its not something bound by goals but more an exploration of potential. If the project progress well, I think it will be a win for both blender and squeak/pharo. >> >> At one side Blender developer will be exposed to the true power and flexibility of smalltalk, at the other hand the smalltalk community will have access to such a powerful amazing 3d application as blender. So I think it will be a double win. >> >> My preference towards pharo has to do with Nativeboost , I think that it may play an important role in the future and of course there are libraries like Athens that I would love to explore but ideally I would like to make Ephestos compatible with both squeak and pharo. >> >> In essense squeak and pharo have been an inspiration for Ephestos and the true driving force for making it reality and I can see myself making Ephestos a life project because Its just pure fun for me working on something like that. >> >> >> >> >> From: Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> >> To: "pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 14:43 >> Subject: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story? >> >> Hey there, >> >> I'm collecting some stories from smalltalkers to tell people how exciting this is. >> >> Have something to share? >> >> What's your story with it? >> >> What got you excited? why it worked for you? >> >> sebastian >> >> o/ >> >> pd: I'm going to mention mainly about pharo and amber >> >> > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] RPackage by-hand code

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

So how can we reproduce it because we want to kill all the remaining bugs out of RPackage integration. Do you have a code snippet? Stef On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:20 PM, Goubier Thierry wrote: > Le 17/10/2012 16:08, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >> can I have your image to explore? >> (if there are some "private" code, I can sign whatever confidentiality agreement you want :P) > > I have two images: a brand new 20346 image with a minimum of packages loaded (the one just before RPackageOrganizer initialize), and the one where I saw the problem in the first place. > > There is nothing private in there; all the packages are on ss3. > > The simpler is probably the new one (it's also a bit smaller). > > Thierry > >> Esteban >> >> On Oct 17, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >> >>> Le 17/10/2012 14:16, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>>> I also would like to collect how your methods were missing... it is reproducible? >>> >>> It's even worse than I thought. I'm now loosing the code in three packages when I do >>> >>> RPackageOrganize initialize >>> >>> They just don't appear at all in Nautilus; as if they didn't exist. >>> >>> Thierry >>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> is there an MCWorkingCopy of your code package? >>>>> >>>>> MCWorkingCopy allManagers. >>>>> >>>>> and a package info? >>>>> >>>>> PackageIngo allPackages. >>>>> >>>>> Esteban >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Le 17/10/2012 13:49, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> RPackageOrganizer initialize. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> should do it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Esteban >>>>>> >>>>>> It doesn't. >>>>>> >>>>>> Trust me, I tried. Multiple times :( >>>>>> >>>>>> Thierry >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 17, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have a problem in Pharo 2.0, among the recent updates, RPackage lost most of the code in one of my packages. Would someone know how to write a small script to force a reload in RPackage of a Smalltalk Category ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The code is still there, in the right system category, but neither Nautilus nor Monticello sees it, and I'm afraid of doing anything like saving the package which would erase most of what is in it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My Pharo version is 20346. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks in advance, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thierry >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Thierry Goubier >>>>>>>> CEA list >>>>>>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>>>>>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>>>>>> France >>>>>>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thierry Goubier >>>>>> CEA list >>>>>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>>>>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>>>>> France >>>>>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thierry Goubier >>> CEA list >>> Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s >>> 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex >>> France >>> Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >>> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Thierry Goubier > CEA list > Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s > 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex > France > Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 >

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

for your information jb did a blender importer and you can play with blender 3d objects in Pharo. Stef On Oct 17, 2012, at 2:43 PM, dimitris chloupis wrote: > > I am a blender developer , using python to make blender addons. My latest complete one is Gyes and Random Material and Texture Generator. http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Extensions:2.6/Py/Scripts/System/Gyes > > Since I was a child I was dreaming of making a system that would use GUIs like the one that I saw in many spaceship movies, fluid futuristic GUIs that could issue way more complex commands than our modern window type GUIs. It was a childs dream, filed as too ambitious and stored there with the rest of too far fetched child dreams. And it was early this year that I was introduced to Smalltalk. I really like python but it was obvious to me that I needed something a lot more. It was that itch I had to scratch. I was very impressed with morphic and squeak and the whole enviroment and of course pharo. I was looking for a live coding enviroment with an ephasis on visual side and I think smalltalk fit like a glove for me. Morphic fit exactly my lego brick logic, I am a very synthetic person I like to keep things minimal and simple and synthesize complex structures out of them. Its a workflow I follow with my entire life not just coding. > > So I started a thread in Blenderartists forum ( http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?250375-A-Visual-Programming-… ) about how people saw the possibility of implementing a visual programming enviroment for blender with a very flexible GUI. I thought it would be one of those threads that none really cared and people would say "we have python why bother with a visual coding enviroment at all, python is very easy to learn" or "why should I care about coding at all I am merely a user". And of course I had such reactions but to my surprise the thread just went viral and people seems very excited with the ideas of Ephestos. > > So we sat down with another developer using Morphic code from a smalltalk coder , that he made for python and pygame and we tried to port to Blender libraries instead. Code wise it went much better in our side , suprisingly enough both he and found Morphic very easy to understand. But we came across some severe bugs and limitations at blender side that make it evident that if I wanted to keep this in python I had to dirty my hands with some C and diving inside Blender source. > > It also became more and more evident that squeak and pharo already implemented many of the ideas I had for Ephestos, and there was no way I could port all the features both offered to python just me and another coder in our free time. So I did the logical thing. Droped the idea of keeping the project pure python and now I have slowly started to porting it to Squeak/Pharo and I am using sockets to communicate with blender. > > The goal is of course Visual Coding together with several other ideas I have for RAD. Its not something bound by goals but more an exploration of potential. If the project progress well, I think it will be a win for both blender and squeak/pharo. > > At one side Blender developer will be exposed to the true power and flexibility of smalltalk, at the other hand the smalltalk community will have access to such a powerful amazing 3d application as blender. So I think it will be a double win. > > My preference towards pharo has to do with Nativeboost , I think that it may play an important role in the future and of course there are libraries like Athens that I would love to explore but ideally I would like to make Ephestos compatible with both squeak and pharo. > > In essense squeak and pharo have been an inspiration for Ephestos and the true driving force for making it reality and I can see myself making Ephestos a life project because Its just pure fun for me working on something like that. > > > > > From: Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> > To: "pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" <pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 14:43 > Subject: [Pharo-project] what is your pharo story? > > Hey there, > > I'm collecting some stories from smalltalkers to tell people how exciting this is. > > Have something to share? > > What's your story with it? > > What got you excited? why it worked for you? > > sebastian > > o/ > > pd: I'm going to mention mainly about pharo and amber > >

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20346

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I love the diffs :) On Oct 17, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > 20346 > ----- > > Issue 6827: add Solarized style text color scheme > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6827 > > Issue 6824: Nautilus Issue Creation Improvements: accept on enter & no autocompletion > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6824 > > Issue 6823: SliceMaker should trim pasted nonDigit Characters from IssueNumber > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6823 > > Issue 6821: Fix Nautilus Shortcut Browse Restricted Shortcut > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6821 > Diff information: > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Shout-MarcusDenker.157.diff > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Nautilus-MarcusDenker.366.diff > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/MonticelloGUI-MarcusDenker.193.diff > http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/CI-Core-MarcusDenker.46.diff > > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] XMLRPC , sockets , python and pharo

by Igor Stasenko

On 18 October 2012 18:33, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > > From: dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> > To: Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 19:31 > > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] XMLRPC , sockets , python and pharo > > good question. I dont , that is why I asked for alternatives . How you guys > make pharo communicate with other languages ? > > Yes I can send bare strings . I wonder however what is the fastest way to do > so. > stream := SocketStream openConnectionToHost: hostIP port: portNumber. stream nextPutAll: 'here comes the command'. stream close. > > ________________________________ > From: Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis > <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 18:22 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] XMLRPC , sockets , python and pharo > > On 18 October 2012 16:41, dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >> Hi there I need a way to make pharo communicate with blender python. I >> have >> been successful making external cpython and pypy talk to blender cpython >> via >> XMLRPC. Now I want my pharo project "Ephestos" to control blender python >> by >> sending python command that then a blender addon which is written in >> python >> will execute. >> >> Is there such a XMLRPC library for pharo, and how do I use it. And also >> what >> are the alternatives ? > > why you need xml for that? > > can't you just send bare strings, which then be simply eval'ed on other > side? > >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 17:35 >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] new command line api to build images >> >> Very cool! >> >> Doru >> >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> We're almost there, create your images from the command-line with a >> very limited number of bash lines ;) >> >> >> #==================================================================================== >> VM=`pharo-shell-scripts/fetchLatestVM.sh` >> unzip -ou Pharo-2.0.zip -d . && cd Pharo-2.0 >> >> $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image config http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/ci >> ConfigurationOfCI --install >> $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image save CI --delete-old >> >> zip -r CI.zip CI.changes CI.image *.sources >> >> #==================================================================================== >> >> there you go, a new image named CI with the given configuration installed. >> >> We still have to extend the API a little bit to support loading specific >> groups >> from a Metacello config + accessing repositories by username and password. >> >> >> best >> cami >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Every thing has its own flow" >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] new command line api to build images

by sebastian＠flowingconcept.com

a factory of images, interesting... this comes to mind: Werner Vogels, Amazon's CTO, once said "make your administration part of the app" this feature seems to open that door in a deep level for Pharo keep the good work sebastian o/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido Chari" <charig(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:13:54 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] new command line api to build images Very cool and useful!!! I bet that most of the work that bash is doing could be done from the image. So a nice next to for the future could be... ImageInstaller new installNewImageWithName: '' intoDirectory: '' withConfigurations: #(...), etc.. Guido. 2012/10/18 Sven Van Caekenberghe < sven(a)stfx.eu > On 18 Oct 2012, at 16:13, Camillo Bruni < camillobruni(a)gmail.com > wrote: > We're almost there, create your images from the command-line with a > very limited number of bash lines ;) > > #==================================================================================== > VM=`pharo-shell-scripts/fetchLatestVM.sh` > unzip -ou Pharo-2.0.zip -d . && cd Pharo-2.0 > > $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image config http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/ci ConfigurationOfCI --install > $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image save CI --delete-old > > zip -r CI.zip CI.changes CI.image *.sources > #==================================================================================== > > there you go, a new image named CI with the given configuration installed. > > We still have to extend the API a little bit to support loading specific groups > from a Metacello config + accessing repositories by username and password. > > > best > cami Beautiful software ! I think I would first save under a new name without deleting and then do an install to keep the original clean. Good work. Sven -- Sven Van Caekenberghe http://stfx.eu Smalltalk is the Red Pill

Oct. 18, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] new command line api to build images

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Oct 18, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Guido Chari wrote: > Very cool and useful!!! > > I bet that most of the work that bash is doing could be done from the image. So a nice next to for the future could beâ¦ :) We are getting there :) I like camillo because he is focused :) Stef > > ImageInstaller new installNewImageWithName: '' intoDirectory: '' withConfigurations: #(...), etc.. > > Guido. > > > 2012/10/18 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > On 18 Oct 2012, at 16:13, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > We're almost there, create your images from the command-line with a > > very limited number of bash lines ;) > > > > #==================================================================================== > > VM=`pharo-shell-scripts/fetchLatestVM.sh` > > unzip -ou Pharo-2.0.zip -d . && cd Pharo-2.0 > > > > $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image config http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/ci ConfigurationOfCI --install > > $VM -headless Pharo-2.0.image save CI --delete-old > > > > zip -r CI.zip CI.changes CI.image *.sources > > #==================================================================================== > > > > there you go, a new image named CI with the given configuration installed. > > > > We still have to extend the API a little bit to support loading specific groups > > from a Metacello config + accessing repositories by username and password. > > > > > > best > > cami > > > Beautiful software ! > > I think I would first save under a new name without deleting and then do an install to keep the original clean. > > Good work. > > Sven > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > >

Oct. 18, 2012