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Re: [Pharo-project] Phobos Jenkins builds

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Pavel, we drink it in the restaurant at the PharoConf ;) Anyway, it is also a project being done between RMOD (France) and Argentina and it is related about VM and how to implement as much as possible "at the language level"...or something like that. Cami or Guido may tell you better. On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras < vonbecmann(a)gmail.com> wrote: > <joke> > The collateral effects of the Argentinian invasion! > see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) > </joke> > > > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Well, I need to create a configuration. >> >> BTW what is Mate? ;-) >> >> -- Pavel >> >> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > Some remarks: >> > ------------- >> > >> > - Could you use the latest setup as in >> > >> > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Rmod/job/Mate/configure >> > >> > cause I want to get rid of all bash scripts in jenkins if possible ;) >> > >> > >> > best >> > cami >> > >> > >> > On 2012-10-30, at 14:42, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I created a set of Jobs related to Phobos on the Jenkins server: >> >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Phobos/ >> >> >> >> The latest changes in Phobos include special integer input fields with >> >> automatic focus change, trees styling, various small fixes etc. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> -- Pavel >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > Bernardo E.C. > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Oct. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Phobos Jenkins builds

by Bernardo Ezequiel Contreras

<joke> The collateral effects of the Argentinian invasion! see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_(beverage) </joke> On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Well, I need to create a configuration. > > BTW what is Mate? ;-) > > -- Pavel > > On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Some remarks: > > ------------- > > > > - Could you use the latest setup as in > > > > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Rmod/job/Mate/configure > > > > cause I want to get rid of all bash scripts in jenkins if possible ;) > > > > > > best > > cami > > > > > > On 2012-10-30, at 14:42, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I created a set of Jobs related to Phobos on the Jenkins server: > >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Phobos/ > >> > >> The latest changes in Phobos include special integer input fields with > >> automatic focus change, trees styling, various small fixes etc. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> -- Pavel > >> > > > > > > -- Bernardo E.C.

Oct. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RTalk

by Jan Vrany

On 30/10/12 15:39, dimitris chloupis wrote: > Hey Torsten and thanks for the reply. > > I am not here to recommend pharo to move to JVM. Rtalk author also > mention this, moving a language to another platform like JVM is quite > easy , I've spent quite some time playing with Java and JVM. I don't think in case of Smalltalk language it would be exactly 'quite easy' to move to JVM. There are certain constructs, prevalent in Smalltalk codebase, that would be tricky to implement *efficiently* on JVM. Non-local returns, proceedable exceptions, class extensions, snapshotting to name some. Best, Jan at least for people who are much better coders than me, moving > all the libraries which happen to depend a lot on C is not. >

Oct. 30, 2012

[Pharo-project] Problem with Date comparing summer time CEST

by Sabine KnÃ¶fel

I have an attribute "date" in a domain object. Last week, I created some objects with this attribute. Today I created objects again with the same date value in this attribute. When comparing the dates (=), the result is false. Reason is, that in germany, we had a switch from Central European Summer Time (CEST) (Sommerzeit) to Daylight Saving Time (DST) this weekend. Date has an attribute "start" which has an instance of DateAndTime. This DateAndTime object has another value depending on the CEST/DST 2012-10-02T00:00:00+*01:00* (DST) 2012-10-02T00:00:00+*02:00* (CEST) When I create two Dates with same date, I expect that = evaluates to true, independent from the CEST/DST. But Date (Timespan) uses /= comparand ^ self class = comparand class and: [ *self start = comparand start * and: [ self duration = comparand duration ]]/ What do you recommend? Create my own compare method? Did I miss something? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problem-with-Date-comparing-summer-time-CEST-tp465335… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Phobos Jenkins builds

by Pavel Krivanek

Well, I need to create a configuration. BTW what is Mate? ;-) -- Pavel On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Some remarks: > ------------- > > - Could you use the latest setup as in > > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Rmod/job/Mate/configure > > cause I want to get rid of all bash scripts in jenkins if possible ;) > > > best > cami > > > On 2012-10-30, at 14:42, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I created a set of Jobs related to Phobos on the Jenkins server: >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Phobos/ >> >> The latest changes in Phobos include special integer input fields with >> automatic focus change, trees styling, various small fixes etc. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> > >

Oct. 30, 2012

[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20370

by Esteban Lorenzano

20370 ----- Issue 6710: RPackage duplication of extensions http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6710 Issue 6888: Remove HierarchyBrowser from ToolRegistry http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6888 Diff information: http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/Tools-EstebanLorenzano.966.diff http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/RPackage-Tests-EstebanLorenzano.99.diff http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/RPackage-SystemIntegration-EstebanLorenz… http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/Pharo20/RPackage-Core-EstebanLorenzano.197.diff

Oct. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] RTalk

by dimitris chloupis

Hey Torsten and thanks for the reply. I am not here to recommend pharo to move to JVM. Rtalk author also mention this, moving a language to another platform like JVM is quite easy , at least for people who are much better coders than me,Â moving all the libraries which happen to depend a lot on C is not. I was primarily a python developer before smalltalk , squeak and pharo stole me away and we got a similar effort with "jython" , as a language is a fine implementation but still there are many of the official python distribution, cpython , third party libraries that have not been ported to jython. Of course we can still use Java libraries but that defeats the purpose of coding in python which is like smalltalk a culture about simplicity and minimalism (python has been deeply influenced by smalltalk in many areas) , that most java libraries and java itself do not share. My interest in Rtalk is for the time being pure academical. I am actually doing a visual coding environment for 3d app Blender which is more an extension to smalltalk enviroment called "Ephestos" and I am already using pharo, because its rather clean, simple, stable and actively developed. Because blender depends on python I am already in the process of making a socket bridge between pharo and blender python (should work for any other platform too) . Java VM is also a possibility through the use of this projects. Of course I am still considering the redline , but having something that can offer me even enviroment of smalltalk for JAVA VM its even better. For the time being as I already said my interest is purely academical, my whole focus is existing pharo , blender and cpython. But its fun to try new things and explore new territories. You can never be sure what kind treasures you may uncover. Afterall in blender we have already blender addon which even though they are depending on python they also use Java libraries. So mixing languages and platforms is certainly an interest of mine. In my world Pharo, Rtalk and Redline can happily coexist without the one merging to the other. ________________________________ From: Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> To: pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2012, 16:39 Subject: [Pharo-project] [OT] RTalk Hi dimitris, if I remember correctly the idea from Mark Roos was to open source the environment/code once the company dependent parts are removed. AFAIK with an MIT license. For sure one can expect the bytecodeset and environment to be completely different from what we know from Squeak/Pharo. Some infos can be found on the web, see pointers below - but no code so far. Time will tell if it's ideas may be used to have later a Pharo dialect running on JVM as well (depending on community adoption, time, resources and technical possibility). It's not the first project to run Smalltalk on JVM. Its very silent around similar attempts like the last project "Redline" from James Ladd. At least it is active (last commit for Redline was 3 days ago). Bye T. [1] http://www.drdobbs.com/jvm/rtalk-smalltalk-on-the-jvm/231500288 [2] http://wiki.jvmlangsummit.com/images/e/e5/Roos-Rtalk.pdf [3] http://astares.blogspot.de/2011/08/smalltalk-on-jvm.html [4] http://medianetwork.oracle.com/video/player/1785452097001

Oct. 30, 2012

[Pharo-project] [OT] RTalk

by Torsten Bergmann

Hi dimitris, if I remember correctly the idea from Mark Roos was to open source the environment/code once the company dependent parts are removed. AFAIK with an MIT license. For sure one can expect the bytecodeset and environment to be completely different from what we know from Squeak/Pharo. Some infos can be found on the web, see pointers below - but no code so far. Time will tell if it's ideas may be used to have later a Pharo dialect running on JVM as well (depending on community adoption, time, resources and technical possibility). It's not the first project to run Smalltalk on JVM. Its very silent around similar attempts like the last project "Redline" from James Ladd. At least it is active (last commit for Redline was 3 days ago). Bye T. [1] http://www.drdobbs.com/jvm/rtalk-smalltalk-on-the-jvm/231500288 [2] http://wiki.jvmlangsummit.com/images/e/e5/Roos-Rtalk.pdf [3] http://astares.blogspot.de/2011/08/smalltalk-on-jvm.html [4] http://medianetwork.oracle.com/video/player/1785452097001

Oct. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Phobos Jenkins builds

by Camillo Bruni

Some remarks: ------------- - Could you use the latest setup as in https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Rmod/job/Mate/configure cause I want to get rid of all bash scripts in jenkins if possible ;) best cami On 2012-10-30, at 14:42, Pavel Krivanek <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I created a set of Jobs related to Phobos on the Jenkins server: > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Phobos/ > > The latest changes in Phobos include special integer input fields with > automatic focus change, trees styling, various small fixes etc. > > Cheers, > -- Pavel >

Oct. 30, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] File sharing on the network

by Hilaire Fernandes

Le 30/10/2012 00:38, Stephan Eggermont a Ã©crit : > Hilaire wrote: >> Is there anyway to implement fileshareing with Dropbox or GoogleDrive on >> a Pharo client application? > > I can see some use cases for a globally persistent peer-to-peer based system. > Sort of a distributed github. Centralized systems tend to bring all kinds of > nasty spam and privacy problems with them. Indeed. Can you elaborate your idea? Hilaire

Oct. 30, 2012