October 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] 1/2 hour

by Fabrizio Perin

2012/10/24 Camillo Bruni <camillobruni(a)gmail.com> > the current implementation does not make any sense. > despite the grammatical correctness of (1 hour) and the implied > mistake of (2 hour). I think we should change or remove it! > well, you can actually write 2 hours ;P But I agree that the API should be improved > https://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6876 > > > > On 2012-10-24, at 14:52, Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > If it not use I don't know but the message > > 1 hour > > yes, but technically 0.5 hour is correct (though silly it does not work > properly..) > > > makes sense to me. > > > > cheers, > > Fabrizio > > > > 2012/10/24 Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> > > > >> I found almost no senders of #Number>>hour, and also have not sense at > >> all. Probably we want to remove it. > >> > >> > >> 2012/10/24 Joe Rickerby <joe.rickerby(a)square-i.net> > >> > >>> I can't believe I'd be the first person to find this, so sorry if this > >>> has been discussed before. > >>> > >>> I was writing some code today, using Durations. I've come across the > >>> hour/hours methods before, and so I know that '2 hour' is really one > hour, > >>> and that you have to write '2 hours' to have the thing work as > expected. > >>> > >>> It's a little strict for the language to do this, but I can see the > logic. > >>> > >>> What doesn't work for me is when I write '0.5 hour' or '(1/2) hour'. > Both > >>> will return a duration of 1 hour. In my head I pronounce this 'half an > >>> hour', so it's an entirely reasonable thing to write. > >>> > >>> Can something be done about this? > >>> > >>> Joe > >

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] 1/2 hour

by Joe Rickerby

I should add that there are a lot of similar methods with this behaviour on number, there's day, hour, milliSecond, minute, nanoSecond, second, week. If behaviour was changed, or it was simply deleted, it should probably be in all or none of the above to maintain consistency. On 24 Oct 2012, at 1:45pm, Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com<mailto:santiagobragagnolo@gmail.com>> wrote: I found almost no senders of #Number>>hour, and also have not sense at all. Probably we want to remove it. 2012/10/24 Joe Rickerby <joe.rickerby(a)square-i.net<mailto:joe.rickerby@square-i.net>> I can't believe I'd be the first person to find this, so sorry if this has been discussed before. I was writing some code today, using Durations. I've come across the hour/hours methods before, and so I know that '2 hour' is really one hour, and that you have to write '2 hours' to have the thing work as expected. It's a little strict for the language to do this, but I can see the logic. What doesn't work for me is when I write '0.5 hour' or '(1/2) hour'. Both will return a duration of 1 hour. In my head I pronounce this 'half an hour', so it's an entirely reasonable thing to write. Can something be done about this? Joe

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] 1/2 hour

by Camillo Bruni

the current implementation does not make any sense. despite the grammatical correctness of (1 hour) and the implied mistake of (2 hour). I think we should change or remove it! https://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6876 On 2012-10-24, at 14:52, Fabrizio Perin <fabrizio.perin(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If it not use I don't know but the message > 1 hour yes, but technically 0.5 hour is correct (though silly it does not work properly..) > makes sense to me. > > cheers, > Fabrizio > > 2012/10/24 Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> > >> I found almost no senders of #Number>>hour, and also have not sense at >> all. Probably we want to remove it. >> >> >> 2012/10/24 Joe Rickerby <joe.rickerby(a)square-i.net> >> >>> I can't believe I'd be the first person to find this, so sorry if this >>> has been discussed before. >>> >>> I was writing some code today, using Durations. I've come across the >>> hour/hours methods before, and so I know that '2 hour' is really one hour, >>> and that you have to write '2 hours' to have the thing work as expected. >>> >>> It's a little strict for the language to do this, but I can see the logic. >>> >>> What doesn't work for me is when I write '0.5 hour' or '(1/2) hour'. Both >>> will return a duration of 1 hour. In my head I pronounce this 'half an >>> hour', so it's an entirely reasonable thing to write. >>> >>> Can something be done about this? >>> >>> Joe

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] 1/2 hour

by Fabrizio Perin

If it not use I don't know but the message 1 hour makes sense to me. cheers, Fabrizio 2012/10/24 Santiago Bragagnolo <santiagobragagnolo(a)gmail.com> > I found almost no senders of #Number>>hour, and also have not sense at > all. Probably we want to remove it. > > > > > > 2012/10/24 Joe Rickerby <joe.rickerby(a)square-i.net> > >> I can't believe I'd be the first person to find this, so sorry if this >> has been discussed before. >> >> I was writing some code today, using Durations. I've come across the >> hour/hours methods before, and so I know that '2 hour' is really one hour, >> and that you have to write '2 hours' to have the thing work as expected. >> >> It's a little strict for the language to do this, but I can see the logic. >> >> What doesn't work for me is when I write '0.5 hour' or '(1/2) hour'. Both >> will return a duration of 1 hour. In my head I pronounce this 'half an >> hour', so it's an entirely reasonable thing to write. >> >> Can something be done about this? >> >> Joe >> >> >> >

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] 1/2 hour

by Santiago Bragagnolo

I found almost no senders of #Number>>hour, and also have not sense at all. Probably we want to remove it. 2012/10/24 Joe Rickerby <joe.rickerby(a)square-i.net> > I can't believe I'd be the first person to find this, so sorry if this has > been discussed before. > > I was writing some code today, using Durations. I've come across the > hour/hours methods before, and so I know that '2 hour' is really one hour, > and that you have to write '2 hours' to have the thing work as expected. > > It's a little strict for the language to do this, but I can see the logic. > > What doesn't work for me is when I write '0.5 hour' or '(1/2) hour'. Both > will return a duration of 1 hour. In my head I pronounce this 'half an > hour', so it's an entirely reasonable thing to write. > > Can something be done about this? > > Joe > > >

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Thanks for including Metacello infrastructure out-of-the-box

by Alexandre Bergel

It would be nice to have a quick overview of these addition... Alexandre On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:03 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > Just a quick note to say thanks ! > > The inclusion of the Metacello infrastructure in the image makes a big speed difference when building new images based on configurations. > > Together with all the other command line improvements, Pharo is now even nicer to use on the command line. > > Sven > > -- > Sven Van Caekenberghe > http://stfx.eu > Smalltalk is the Red Pill > > > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Thanks for including Metacello infrastructure out-of-the-box

by Sean P. DeNigris

Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 wrote > Just a quick note to say thanks ! +1 :) Hooray for Metacello and the command line work! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Thanks-for-including-Metacello-infrastructure-out-of-… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Getting Started with Athens

by Alexandre Bergel

It works relatively well on OSX. I still have experienced some problems with the font on some point, but I am not able to reproduce it. I have the impression that using the cairo backend is a bit slower than pure FormCanvas. Alexandre On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:32 AM, Dennis Schetinin <chaetal(a)gmail.com> wrote: > +1 > > My student tried to run it on Windows and Linux, stucked after few steps (after installing cairo to be more specific) on crashing VM. > > > Best regards, > Dennis Schetinin > > On Wednesday, 24 October 2012 Ð³. at 15:25, dimitris chloupis wrote: > >> Any idea how to get started with Athens ? >> >> How I download it ? >> >> How I install it ? >> >> for now I have found this >> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Athens >> >> and 2 other videos made by Igor. >> >> I am interested in making it work on win7 and macos lion and then after I play with it , I would like to contribute. > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] 1/2 hour

by Ben Coman

Joe Rickerby wrote: > I can't believe I'd be the first person to find this, so sorry if this has been discussed before. > > I was writing some code today, using Durations. I've come across the hour/hours methods before, and so I know that '2 hour' is really one hour, and that you have to write '2 hours' to have the thing work as expected. > > It's a little strict for the language to do this, but I can see the logic. > > What doesn't work for me is when I write '0.5 hour' or '(1/2) hour'. Both will return a duration of 1 hour. In my head I pronounce this 'half an hour', so it's an entirely reasonable thing to write. > > Can something be done about this? > > Joe > > > > Not really the answer your looking for, but my natural speak patterns are: "zero point five hours" "half anHour"

Oct. 24, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] 1/2 hour

by Damien Cassou

On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Joe Rickerby <joe.rickerby(a)square-i.net> wrote: > What doesn't work for me is when I write '0.5 hour' or '(1/2) hour'. Both will return a duration of 1 hour. In my head I pronounce this 'half an hour', so it's an entirely reasonable thing to write. > > Can something be done about this? that looks indeed like a problem. Could you please check if you can implement the fix and then report it on google issue tracker? -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm." Winston Churchill

Oct. 24, 2012