January 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Beginner question about "self" in block

by Garret Raziel

So, keyword messages are slightly different from binary messages, because 5+4*3 doesn't invoke "+*" message so I don't have to write "(5+4)*3". If I had SmallInteger>>#multiplyBy and SmallInteger>>#add, I should use parenthesis "(5 add: 3) multiplyBy: 3".

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Beginner question about "self" in block

by Herby VojÄÃk

Garret Raziel wrote: > Ok, so it automaticaly uses longest possible message? Not the longest (in: the longest available), but whole. Concatenation of all xxx: keyword in the whole statement or parenthesised expression is used. I doesn't matter if #foo: exists if statement is 1 foo: 3 bar: 5; it is always #foo:bar:. Herby

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] cogwin/Croquet (Win7) + Moose + very large models = crash (out of Memory)

by Mariano Martinez Peck

I think Igor fixed that for the Windows VM, but such changes were not integerated in Eliot VMs, but rather in the branch of Git. But since the Jenkins is not building Windows VM, I have no idea where you can get such a VM. Cheers On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Hani Abdeen <hani.abdeen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 25 January 2012 23:05, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Hani Abdeen wrote >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I'm using cogwin/Croquet VM (last version >> > http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r2522/) on windows7, >> > and today I had this probelm: when the size of the pharo image become so >> > large the VM crashes with reason 'out of memory'. >> > The same problem with previous versions of cogwin. >> > Note that I use a PC with 8G of RAM, so it's really damage to have such >> a >> > problem. >> > >> > Any idea about another VM working well on Windows and does not have such >> > an >> > issues? >> > Any urgent solution? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Hani >> > >> >> From this thread: >> http://forum.world.st/experience-with-large-images-td4101765.html >> >> It seems that on windows the size of the image by default is limited to >> 500MB in RAM. I don't know if you can change it or not. Linux/Mac is >> limited to 2GB. Can you try your experiments on a Mac? >> > > Unfortunately no, I've not Mac, and the company for which I'll use Moose > on their software, Tomorrow morning :(, do not use Mac. > > > >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/cogwin-Croquet-Win7-Moose-very-large-models-crash-out… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] cogwin/Croquet (Win7) + Moose + very large models = crash (out of Memory)

by Hani Abdeen

Hi, On 25 January 2012 23:12, Hani Abdeen <hani.abdeen(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 25 January 2012 23:05, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Hani Abdeen wrote >> > >> > Hello, >> > >> > I'm using cogwin/Croquet VM (last version >> > http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r2522/) on windows7, >> > and today I had this probelm: when the size of the pharo image become so >> > large the VM crashes with reason 'out of memory'. >> > The same problem with previous versions of cogwin. >> > Note that I use a PC with 8G of RAM, so it's really damage to have such >> a >> > problem. >> > >> > Any idea about another VM working well on Windows and does not have such >> > an >> > issues? >> > Any urgent solution? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Hani >> > >> >> From this thread: >> http://forum.world.st/experience-with-large-images-td4101765.html >> >> It seems that on windows the size of the image by default is limited to >> 500MB in RAM. I don't know if you can change it or not. Linux/Mac is >> limited to 2GB. Can you try your experiments on a Mac? >> > > >> Unfortunately no, I've not Mac, and the company for which I'll use > Moose on their software, Tomorrow morning :(, do not use Mac. > > > >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/cogwin-Croquet-Win7-Moose-very-large-models-crash-out… >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> >

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] cogwin/Croquet (Win7) + Moose + very large models = crash (out of Memory)

by Hani Abdeen

On 25 January 2012 23:05, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hani Abdeen wrote > > > > Hello, > > > > I'm using cogwin/Croquet VM (last version > > http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r2522/) on windows7, > > and today I had this probelm: when the size of the pharo image become so > > large the VM crashes with reason 'out of memory'. > > The same problem with previous versions of cogwin. > > Note that I use a PC with 8G of RAM, so it's really damage to have such a > > problem. > > > > Any idea about another VM working well on Windows and does not have such > > an > > issues? > > Any urgent solution? > > > > Thanks, > > Hani > > > > From this thread: > http://forum.world.st/experience-with-large-images-td4101765.html > > It seems that on windows the size of the image by default is limited to > 500MB in RAM. I don't know if you can change it or not. Linux/Mac is > limited to 2GB. Can you try your experiments on a Mac? > Unfortunately no, I've not Mac, and the company for which I'll use Moose on their software, Tomorrow morning :(, do not use Mac. > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/cogwin-Croquet-Win7-Moose-very-large-models-crash-out… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] cogwin/Croquet (Win7) + Moose + very large models = crash (out of Memory)

by Paul DeBruicker

Hani Abdeen wrote > > Hello, > > I'm using cogwin/Croquet VM (last version > http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r2522/) on windows7, > and today I had this probelm: when the size of the pharo image become so > large the VM crashes with reason 'out of memory'. > The same problem with previous versions of cogwin. > Note that I use a PC with 8G of RAM, so it's really damage to have such a > problem. > > Any idea about another VM working well on Windows and does not have such > an > issues? > Any urgent solution? > > Thanks, > Hani > >From this thread: http://forum.world.st/experience-with-large-images-td4101765.html It seems that on windows the size of the image by default is limited to 500MB in RAM. I don't know if you can change it or not. Linux/Mac is limited to 2GB. Can you try your experiments on a Mac? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/cogwin-Croquet-Win7-Moose-very-large-models-crash-out… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Beginner question about "self" in block

by Garret Raziel

Ok, so it automaticaly uses longest possible message?

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Beginner question about "self" in block

by Frank Shearar

On 25 January 2012 21:48, Garret Raziel <boloomka(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have another question, too short to create another thread. What happens if > some object has method a: and b: AND a:b:? For example, SmallInt has method > raisedTo:modulo:, but what will happen, if I define methods > SmallInt>>raisedTo: and SmallIt>>modulo: and then execute "5 raisedTo: 6 > modulo: 3"? Will it use "raisedTo:modulo:" method or will it use "raisedTo:" > method and then send "modulo:" method to the result? > > Jan The message names are greedy, so in your example "5 raisedTo: 6 modulo: 3" will send the #raisedTo:modulo: message to 5 with arguments 6 and 3. If you wanted to send #raisedTo: and then #modulo: you'd have to use parentheses: "(5 raisedTo: 6) modulo: 3". frank

Jan. 25, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Beginner question about "self" in block

by Garret Raziel

I have another question, too short to create another thread. What happens if some object has method a: and b: AND a:b:? For example, SmallInt has method raisedTo:modulo:, but what will happen, if I define methods SmallInt>>raisedTo: and SmallIt>>modulo: and then execute "5 raisedTo: 6 modulo: 3"? Will it use "raisedTo:modulo:" method or will it use "raisedTo:" method and then send "modulo:" method to the result? Jan

Jan. 25, 2012

[Pharo-project] cogwin/Croquet (Win7) + Moose + very large models = crash (out of Memory)

by Hani Abdeen

Hello, I'm using cogwin/Croquet VM (last version http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/VM.r2522/) on windows7, and today I had this probelm: when the size of the pharo image become so large the VM crashes with reason 'out of memory'. The same problem with previous versions of cogwin. Note that I use a PC with 8G of RAM, so it's really damage to have such a problem. Any idea about another VM working well on Windows and does not have such an issues? Any urgent solution? Thanks, Hani

Jan. 25, 2012