January 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo sprint in Brussels on Feb 4th

by Damien Pollet

I'll be there for fosdem, so I'll certainly attend, but just part of the day, depending on the talks. On 27 January 2012 11:35, Andy Kellens <akellens(a)vub.ac.be> wrote: > Dear Pharoers, > > In an earlier mail Stephan Eggermont already mentioned that there will be Pharo sprint collocated with the FOSDEM conference next week. > This sprint will take place on Saturday February 4th from 10h until 18h Â in the rooms of the Software Languages Lab of the Vrije Universiteit Brussel. > More precisely: > Â Â Â Â Room 10F720 (10th floor of building F) > Â Â Â Â Vrije Universiteit Brussel > Â Â Â Â Pleinlaan 2 > Â Â Â Â 1050 Brussels > > Due to renovations to our building, you will have to enter via the entrance between buildings F and G. > As the university is normally closed on a Saturday, you might have to pass via security in order to be allowed entrance to the building (they have been notified about the sprint). > > If you are coming by car, please send me your license plate so that I can make sure that you are allowed to enter the campus. > > To get some idea of how many people to expect, could you please let us know if you are planning to attend. > > Kind regards, > > Andy > > -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Proposed (or just written down desired) Keyboard Event Model

by Guillermo Polito

On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:23 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > On Jan 26, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > > > Following the Event chronicles :P > > > > Since I know that some people are working on event Stuff(Stef, Fernando, > Igor), I'd like to listen to what they(or anybody else :) ) think about > this. > > I've no code (yet) except for the one I've written to play with the vm > and test the keyboard stuff :P. And I know there is some package where > Stef and Igor where refactoring the event stuff and I don't want to > duplicate efforts either, jeje. > > have a look at EventModel on squeak source. > For now we did not modify the handling of keystrokes. We "just" reified > event instead of manipulating eventbuf uglies. > ;) I based my code on that. > > I'm sick now so my brain is slow. > get better soon! :) > Two points are > - transition from old to new . Is there a path with little impact > on users. I guess so. > I've written a path in a previous email :). > - what about VM changesâ¦ > I can learn and work to modify windows and linux (on x11) vms... :) Guille

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Enthousiasm is the main currency among developers

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 27 Jan 2012, at 16:58, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > With lost of enthousiasm and positive energy. euh, with lots of enthousiasm and positive energy. (But typing/spelling wrong is required etiquette on this list ;-)

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Meaning of the name "Pharo"

by blake

Careful: We're wandering into Big Talk. :-P On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Nicolas Cellier < nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2012/1/27 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > > > On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Max Leske wrote: > > > >> I always enjoy it if a product / project with a "funny" name explains > that name somewhere (origin, intention). I think it says a lot about the > kind of project it is (how dedicated are the people? If the name is crap, > the product will probably be tooâ¦). So I thought, it might be cool to > introduce a paragraph (in the "About" section maybe) that explains the > origins of the name "Pharo". > >> > >> Any thoughts? > > > > Yes! > > I love lighthouse because > > - it is protecting boats from crashing on the coast > > - stand against the wind and is wild sea > > Really positive image. > > > > Pharo: solid software with a vision, helping large programs to get to > the coast nicely. > > > > And even a rock solid Pharo requires maintenance. > An abandoned Pharo would not be of much help, just a seamark, but not > an active guide, and it will sooner or later be tumbling down. > That's a good software metaphor, and we shall rejoice of current level > of activity. > > Nicolas > > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Max > > > > > >

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Meaning of the name "Pharo"

by Nicolas Cellier

2012/1/27 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Max Leske wrote: > >> I always enjoy it if a product / project with a "funny" name explains that name somewhere (origin, intention). I think it says a lot about the kind of project it is (how dedicated are the people? If the name is crap, the product will probably be tooâ¦). So I thought, it might be cool to introduce a paragraph (in the "About" section maybe) that explains the origins of the name "Pharo". >> >> Any thoughts? > > Yes! > I love lighthouse because > Â Â Â Â - it is protecting boats from crashing on the coast > Â Â Â Â - stand against the wind and is wild sea > Really positive image. > > Pharo: solid software with a vision, helping large programs to get to the coast nicely. > And even a rock solid Pharo requires maintenance. An abandoned Pharo would not be of much help, just a seamark, but not an active guide, and it will sooner or later be tumbling down. That's a good software metaphor, and we shall rejoice of current level of activity. Nicolas >> >> Cheers, >> Max > >

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Enthousiasm is the main currency among developers

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 27 Jan 2012, at 16:47, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > On Jan 27, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> Pharo was started with the explicit goal to do as many mistakes as possible, as fast as possible. > But to steadily improve, improve and improve. With lost of enthousiasm and positive energy.

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Artifacts Mirroring

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

we should think. stef On Jan 27, 2012, at 2:11 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > hi everyone, > > I thought about mirroring the fresh artifacts from our jenkins server to the google-code site. > Like this we would have at least a second place to download fresh builds even if the jenkins site is down again. > > What do you think?

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Meaning of the name "Pharo"

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Max Leske wrote: > I always enjoy it if a product / project with a "funny" name explains that name somewhere (origin, intention). I think it says a lot about the kind of project it is (how dedicated are the people? If the name is crap, the product will probably be tooâ¦). So I thought, it might be cool to introduce a paragraph (in the "About" section maybe) that explains the origins of the name "Pharo". > > Any thoughts? Yes! I love lighthouse because - it is protecting boats from crashing on the coast - stand against the wind and is wild sea Really positive image. Pharo: solid software with a vision, helping large programs to get to the coast nicely. > > Cheers, > Max

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Enthousiasm is the main currency among developers

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jan 27, 2012, at 2:33 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > Pharo was started with the explicit goal to do as many mistakes as possible, as fast as possible. But to steadily improve, improve and improve. Stef

Jan. 27, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Enthousiasm is the main currency among developers

by Marcus Denker

On Jan 27, 2012, at 6:13 AM, dimitris chloupis wrote: > This article is really encapsulates the attitude and what is wrong with programming in general. The attitude of superiority and intelligence that seems to plague coders and being the biggest obstacle to progress. Yes! The "Everyone is dumb but me" phenomenon... What those "intelligent" people don't get is that complexity is inherently exponential. So even if you are 10 times more intelligent than me (very well possible), it is *completely* irrelevant considering that complexity grows non-linearly. If you combine this with the notion of Evolution: that it is impossible to creat "the perfect" out of nothing, yet entropy grows when you incrementally improve things... than this has some very serious consequences. > For me the main problem with is the whole aura of "elitism" , what better example than Lisp, where beginners are attacked and be excluded. We had the same effect in Squeak at the end. No progress, every improvement was actively fighted against, if needed with the nice argument that one can do it even better, and only "the best" is worth for Squeak. Another thing that "intelligent" people don't get is that critizising is trivial: You can *always* do better, there is no perfection. It's an endless process. This implies that one has to accept and embrace imperfection if one wants to have a future. Else you end up never finishing anything, the death of any incremental progress. Pharo was started with the explicit goal to do as many mistakes as possible, as fast as possible. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Jan. 27, 2012