January 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build CogVM in MacOSX 10.7 Lion

by dimitris chloupis

I am not accusing you or anything , I know writing documentation can be both hard and boring. And if I can help to make it simpler I will.Â Back to building , followed your instruction andÂ " Gofer new Â squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; Â package: 'ConfigurationOfVMMaker'; Â load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfVMMaker) perform: #load." gives me the following error 29 January 2012 11:56:20 am VM: Mac OS - intel - 1072 - NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-IgorStasenko.8 uuid: f47ef546-de3d-4415-850e-6437d67bfb5c Dec 11 2011, StackToRegisterMappingCogit VMMaker-oscog-EstebanLorenzano.139 uuid: 5aa53979-d7d8-4ca3-91fe-cfc3b4109c33 Dec 11 2011, https://git.gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git Commit: 364a7f1fab69798c1bdc9575ba15e18ea319585a Date: Sun Dec 11 15:17:52 2011 -0300 By: Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> Image: Pharo1.4a [Latest update: #14284] UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #readStream Receiver: nil Arguments and temporary variables:Â aMessage: readStream exception: MessageNotUnderstood: receiver of "readStream" is nil resumeValue: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â nil MCScanner class>>scanTokens: Receiver: MCScanner Arguments and temporary variables:Â aString: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â superclass: Object methodDict: a MethodDictionary(#next->(MCScanner>>#next "a CompiledMethod(84410...etc... format: 132 instanceVariables: #('stream') organization: ('as yet unclassified' next nextArray nextString nextSymbol strea...etc... subclasses: nil name: #MCScanner classPool: nil sharedPools: nil environment: a SystemDictionary(lots of globals) category: #'Monticello-Chunk Format' traitComposition: {} localSelectors: nil MCMczReader>>parseMember: Receiver: a MCMczReader Arguments and temporary variables:Â fileName: 'package' tokens: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â stream: a ReadStream package: nil info: nil definitions: nil dependencies: nil zip: a ZipArchive infoCache: nil MCMczReader>>loadPackage Receiver: a MCMczReader Arguments and temporary variables:Â dict: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â stream: a ReadStream package: nil info: nil definitions: nil dependencies: nil zip: a ZipArchive infoCache: nil MCMczReader(MCVersionReader)>>package Receiver: a MCMczReader Arguments and temporary variables:Â Receiver's instance variables:Â stream: a ReadStream package: nil info: nil definitions: nil dependencies: nil zip: a ZipArchive infoCache: nil MCMczReader(MCVersionReader)>>basicVersion Receiver: a MCMczReader Arguments and temporary variables:Â Receiver's instance variables:Â stream: a ReadStream package: nil info: nil definitions: nil dependencies: nil zip: a ZipArchive infoCache: nil MCMczReader(MCVersionReader)>>version Receiver: a MCMczReader Arguments and temporary variables:Â Receiver's instance variables:Â stream: a ReadStream package: nil info: nil definitions: nil dependencies: nil zip: a ZipArchive infoCache: nil [:r | r version] in MCHttpRepository(MCFileBasedRepository)>>loadVersionFromFileNamed: Receiver: a MCHttpRepository(http://source.impara.de/freetype) Arguments and temporary variables:Â r: a MCMczReader Receiver's instance variables:Â creationTemplate: nil storeDiffs: nil cache: nil allFileNames: nil location: 'http://source.impara.de/freetype' user: '' password: '' readerCache: a Dictionary('Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55.mcz'->a MCMczRead...etc... BlockClosure>>cull: Receiver: [:r | r version] Arguments and temporary variables:Â anArg: a MCMczReader Receiver's instance variables:Â outerContext: MCHttpRepository(MCFileBasedRepository)>>loadVersionFromFileNamed...etc... startpc: 27 numArgs: 1 MCMczReader(ProtoObject)>>ifNotNil: Receiver: a MCMczReader Arguments and temporary variables:Â ifNotNilBlock: [:r | r version] Receiver's instance variables:Â stream: a ReadStream package: nil info: nil definitions: nil dependencies: nil zip: a ZipArchive infoCache: nil MCHttpRepository>>versionReaderForFileNamed:do: Receiver: a MCHttpRepository(http://source.impara.de/freetype) Arguments and temporary variables:Â aString: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55.mcz' aBlock: [:r | r version] Receiver's instance variables:Â creationTemplate: nil storeDiffs: nil cache: nil allFileNames: nil location: 'http://source.impara.de/freetype' user: '' password: '' readerCache: a Dictionary('Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55.mcz'->a MCMczRead...etc... MCHttpRepository(MCFileBasedRepository)>>loadVersionFromFileNamed: Receiver: a MCHttpRepository(http://source.impara.de/freetype) Arguments and temporary variables:Â aString: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55.mcz' Receiver's instance variables:Â creationTemplate: nil storeDiffs: nil cache: nil allFileNames: nil location: 'http://source.impara.de/freetype' user: '' password: '' readerCache: a Dictionary('Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55.mcz'->a MCMczRead...etc... MCHttpRepository(MCFileBasedRepository)>>goferVersionFrom: Receiver: a MCHttpRepository(http://source.impara.de/freetype) Arguments and temporary variables:Â aVersionReference: a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plu...etc... Receiver's instance variables:Â creationTemplate: nil storeDiffs: nil cache: nil allFileNames: nil location: 'http://source.impara.de/freetype' user: '' password: '' readerCache: a Dictionary('Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55.mcz'->a MCMczRead...etc... MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference(GoferResolvedReference)>>version Receiver: a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' Arguments and temporary variables:Â Receiver's instance variables:Â name: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' package: 'Freetype-Plugin' author: 'John M McIntosh' branch: '' versionNumber: 55 repository: a MCHttpRepository(http://source.impara.de/freetype) cachedVersion: nil MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference>>version Receiver: a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' Arguments and temporary variables:Â Receiver's instance variables:Â name: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' package: 'Freetype-Plugin' author: 'John M McIntosh' branch: '' versionNumber: 55 repository: a MCHttpRepository(http://source.impara.de/freetype) cachedVersion: nil [:each | each version] in [aCollection do: [:each | each version]. nearestReference version dependencies do: block. notDone := false] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>resolveDependencies:nearest:into: Receiver: a MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader(linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfVMMaker] load : FFI-Poo...etc... Arguments and temporary variables:Â each: a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M Mc...etc... Receiver's instance variables:Â spec: a MetacelloMCVersionSpecLoader operator: nil loaderPolicy: a MetacelloLoaderPolicy disablePackageCache: false OrderedCollection>>do: Receiver: an OrderedCollection(a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plugin-John ...etc... Arguments and temporary variables:Â aBlock: [:each | each version] index: 1 Receiver's instance variables:Â array: an Array(a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plugin...etc... firstIndex: 1 lastIndex: 1 [aCollection do: [:each | each version]. nearestReference version dependencies do: block. notDone := false] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>resolveDependencies:nearest:into: Receiver: a MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader(linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfVMMaker] load : FFI-Poo...etc... Arguments and temporary variables:Â <<error during printing> Receiver's instance variables:Â spec: a MetacelloMCVersionSpecLoader operator: nil loaderPolicy: a MetacelloLoaderPolicy disablePackageCache: false BlockClosure>>on:do: Receiver: [aCollection do: [:each | each version]. nearestReference version dependencies do: bloc...etc... Arguments and temporary variables:Â exception: Error handlerAction: [:ex |Â retryCount := retryCount + 1. retryCount >= 3 ifTrue:...etc... handlerActive: false Receiver's instance variables:Â outerContext: MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>resolveDependencies:nearest:into: startpc: 226 numArgs: 0 MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>resolveDependencies:nearest:into: Receiver: a MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader(linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfVMMaker] load : FFI-Poo...etc... Arguments and temporary variables:Â <<error during printing> Receiver's instance variables:Â spec: a MetacelloMCVersionSpecLoader operator: nil loaderPolicy: a MetacelloLoaderPolicy disablePackageCache: false [| references nearestReference cachedReference externalReference loadedVersionInfos mcVersion | self flag: #cleanup. cachedReference := self resolvePackageSpec: packageSpec cachedGofer: self loaderPolicy cacheGofer. (cachedReference ~~ nil and: [packageSpec getFile ~~ nil]) ifTrue: [cachedReference name = packageSpec file ifTrue: [^ self]]. references := self retryingResolvePackageSpecReferences: packageSpec gofer: gofer. nearestReference := references last asMetacelloCachingResolvedReference. (cachedReference ~~ nil and: [cachedReference name = nearestReference name]) ifTrue: [^ self]. (self ignoreImage not and: [(loadedVersionInfos := self ancestorsFor: packageSpec) ~~ nil]) ifTrue: [loadedVersionInfos do: [:info |Â info name = nearestReference name ifTrue: [^ self]. nil]]. externalReference := (references select: [:ref | ref name = nearestReference name]) first asMetacelloCachingResolvedReference. self repositoryMap at: externalReference name put: externalReference repository. (self resolveDependencies: externalReference nearest: nearestReference into: (OrderedCollection with: nearestReference)) do: [:reference |Â | pSpec l | mcVersion := reference version. (l := (GoferVersionReference name: reference name) resolveAllWith: self loaderPolicy cacheGofer) isEmpty ifTrue: [self cacheRepository storeVersion: mcVersion. reference == nearestReference ifTrue: [pSpec := packageSpec] ifFalse: [pSpec := packageSpec project packageSpec. pSpec name: mcVersion info]. self loadData addVersion: mcVersion versionInfo: mcVersion info resolvedReference: reference packageSpec: pSpec]]. self loaderPolicy resetCacheGofer. self preLoad: packageSpec. (MetacelloDirective loadPackage: packageSpec externalReference: externalReference loader: self) addTo: self loadDirective. self postLoad: packageSpec. Transcript cr; show: 'Fetched -> ' , externalReference name , ' --- ' , externalReference repository description , ' --- ' , nearestReference repository description] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>linearLoadPackageSpec:gofer: Receiver: a MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader(linear load : 1.3 [ConfigurationOfVMMaker] load : FFI-Poo...etc... Arguments and temporary variables:Â packageSpec: specÂ name: 'Freetype-Plugin'; requires: #('VMMaker' ); file: '...etc... gofer: a MetacelloGofer references: an Array(a GoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plugin-John M McI...etc... nearestReference: a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plug...etc... cachedReference: nil externalReference: a MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference name: 'Freetype-Plu...etc... loadedVersionInfos: nil mcVersion: #(nil) Receiver's instance variables:Â spec: a MetacelloMCVersionSpecLoader operator: nil loaderPolicy: a MetacelloLoaderPolicy disablePackageCache: false [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] in MetacelloPharoPlatform>>do:displaying: Receiver: a MetacelloPharoPlatform Arguments and temporary variables:Â aBlock: [:barValArg |Â | barVal return newBarSize | barVal := barValArg. retur...etc... bar: [| references nearestReference cachedReference externalReference loadedVer...etc... Receiver's instance variables:Â bypassProgressBars: false bypassGoferLoadUpdateCategories: false [result := workBlock value: progress] in [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do: [:ex |Â ex extraParam isString ifTrue: [SystemProgressMorph uniqueInstance labelAt: progress put: ex extraParam]. ex resume]] in ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction Receiver: ProgressInitiationException Arguments and temporary variables:Â progress: [:barValArg |Â | barVal return newBarSize | barVal := barValArg. ret...etc... result: #(nil) Receiver's instance variables:Â messageText: nil tag: nil signaler: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' signalContext: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal handlerContext: nil outerContext: nil workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] maxVal: 2 minVal: 0 aPoint: (635@231) progressTitle: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' BlockClosure>>on:do: Receiver: [result := workBlock value: progress] Arguments and temporary variables:Â exception: ProgressNotification handlerAction: [:ex |Â ex extraParam isString ifTrue: [SystemProgressMorph un...etc... handlerActive: true Receiver's instance variables:Â outerContext: [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification...etc... startpc: 87 numArgs: 0 [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do: [:ex |Â ex extraParam isString ifTrue: [SystemProgressMorph uniqueInstance labelAt: progress put: ex extraParam]. ex resume]] in ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction Receiver: ProgressInitiationException Arguments and temporary variables:Â progress: [:barValArg |Â | barVal return newBarSize | barVal := barValArg. ret...etc... result: #(nil) Receiver's instance variables:Â messageText: nil tag: nil signaler: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' signalContext: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal handlerContext: nil outerContext: nil workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] maxVal: 2 minVal: 0 aPoint: (635@231) progressTitle: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' BlockClosure>>ensure: Receiver: [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do: [:ex |Â ex extr...etc... Arguments and temporary variables:Â aBlock: [SystemProgressMorph close: progress] complete: nil returnValue: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â outerContext: ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction startpc: 81 numArgs: 0 ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction Receiver: ProgressInitiationException Arguments and temporary variables:Â progress: [:barValArg |Â | barVal return newBarSize | barVal := barValArg. ret...etc... result: #(nil) Receiver's instance variables:Â messageText: nil tag: nil signaler: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' signalContext: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal handlerContext: nil outerContext: nil workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] maxVal: 2 minVal: 0 aPoint: (635@231) progressTitle: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' MorphicUIManager>>progressInitiationExceptionDefaultAction: Receiver: a MorphicUIManager Arguments and temporary variables:Â anException: ProgressInitiationException Receiver's instance variables:Â interactiveParser: nil ProgressInitiationException>>defaultAction Receiver: ProgressInitiationException Arguments and temporary variables:Â Receiver's instance variables:Â messageText: nil tag: nil signaler: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' signalContext: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal handlerContext: nil outerContext: nil workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] maxVal: 2 minVal: 0 aPoint: (635@231) progressTitle: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' UndefinedObject>>handleSignal: Receiver: nil Arguments and temporary variables:Â exception: ProgressInitiationException Receiver's instance variables:Â nil MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: Receiver: BlockClosure>>on:do: Arguments and temporary variables:Â exception: ProgressInitiationException val: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â sender: PasteUpMorph>>becomeActiveDuring: pc: 17 stackp: 3 method: (BlockClosure>>#on:do: "a CompiledMethod(869793792)") closureOrNil: nil receiver: [aBlock value] MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: Receiver: BlockClosure>>on:do: Arguments and temporary variables:Â exception: ProgressInitiationException val: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â sender: SmalltalkEditor>>evaluateSelectionAndDo: pc: 17 stackp: 3 method: (BlockClosure>>#on:do: "a CompiledMethod(869793792)") closureOrNil: nil receiver: [rcvr class evaluatorClass new evaluate: self selectionForDoitAsStr...etc... MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: Receiver: BlockClosure>>on:do: Arguments and temporary variables:Â exception: ProgressInitiationException val: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â sender: [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do:...etc... pc: 17 stackp: 3 method: (BlockClosure>>#on:do: "a CompiledMethod(869793792)") closureOrNil: nil receiver: [result := workBlock value: progress] MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: Receiver: BlockClosure>>on:do: Arguments and temporary variables:Â exception: ProgressInitiationException val: nil Receiver's instance variables:Â sender: MetacelloPharoPlatform(MetacelloPlatform)>>useStackCacheDuring:defaultD...etc... pc: 17 stackp: 3 method: (BlockClosure>>#on:do: "a CompiledMethod(869793792)") closureOrNil: nil receiver: [^ aBlock value: dict] ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal Receiver: ProgressInitiationException Arguments and temporary variables:Â Receiver's instance variables:Â messageText: nil tag: nil signaler: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' signalContext: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal handlerContext: nil outerContext: nil workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] maxVal: 2 minVal: 0 aPoint: (635@231) progressTitle: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' ProgressInitiationException>>display:at:from:to:during: Receiver: ProgressInitiationException Arguments and temporary variables:Â argString: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' argPoint: (635@231) argMinVal: 0 argMaxVal: 2 argWorkBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] Receiver's instance variables:Â messageText: nil tag: nil signaler: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' signalContext: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal handlerContext: nil outerContext: nil workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] maxVal: 2 minVal: 0 aPoint: (635@231) progressTitle: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' ProgressInitiationException class>>display:at:from:to:during: Receiver: ProgressInitiationException Arguments and temporary variables:Â aString: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' aPoint: (635@231) minVal: 0 maxVal: 2 workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] Receiver's instance variables:Â superclass: Exception methodDict: a MethodDictionary(#defaultAction->(ProgressInitiationException>>#d...etc... format: 152 instanceVariables: #('workBlock' 'maxVal' 'minVal' 'aPoint' 'progressTitle') organization: ('*Morphic' defaultMorphicAction) ('accessing' maxVal minVal poin...etc... subclasses: nil name: #ProgressInitiationException classPool: nil sharedPools: nil environment: a SystemDictionary(lots of globals) category: #'UIManager-Support' traitComposition: nil localSelectors: nil ByteString(String)>>displayProgressAt:from:to:during: Receiver: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' Arguments and temporary variables:Â aPoint: (635@231) minVal: 0 maxVal: 2 workBlock: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] Receiver's instance variables:Â 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' MetacelloPharoPlatform>>do:displaying: Receiver: a MetacelloPharoPlatform Arguments and temporary variables:Â aBlock: [| references nearestReference cachedReference externalReference loaded...etc... aString: 'Fetching Freetype-Plugin-John M McIntosh.55' Receiver's instance variables:Â bypassProgressBars: false bypassGoferLoadUpdateCategories: false --- The full stack --- UndefinedObject(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #readStream MCScanner class>>scanTokens: MCMczReader>>parseMember: MCMczReader>>loadPackage MCMczReader(MCVersionReader)>>package MCMczReader(MCVersionReader)>>basicVersion MCMczReader(MCVersionReader)>>version [:r | r version] in MCHttpRepository(MCFileBasedRepository)>>loadVersionFromFileNamed: BlockClosure>>cull: MCMczReader(ProtoObject)>>ifNotNil: MCHttpRepository>>versionReaderForFileNamed:do: MCHttpRepository(MCFileBasedRepository)>>loadVersionFromFileNamed: MCHttpRepository(MCFileBasedRepository)>>goferVersionFrom: MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference(GoferResolvedReference)>>version MetacelloCachingGoferResolvedReference>>version [:each | each version] in [aCollection do: [:each | each version]. nearestReference version dependencies do: block. notDone := false] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>resolveDependencies:nearest:into: OrderedCollection>>do: [aCollection do: [:each | each version]. nearestReference version dependencies do: block. notDone := false] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>resolveDependencies:nearest:into: BlockClosure>>on:do: MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>resolveDependencies:nearest:into: [| references nearestReference cachedReference externalReference loadedVersionInfos mcVersion | self flag: #cleanup. cachedReference := self resolvePackageSpec: packageSpec cachedGofer: self loaderPolicy cacheGofer. (cachedReference ~~ nil and: [packageSpec getFile ~~ nil]) ifTrue: [cachedReference name = packageSpec file ifTrue: [^ self]]. references := self retryingResolvePackageSpecReferences: packageSpec gofer: gofer. nearestReference := references last asMetacelloCachingResolvedReference. (cachedReference ~~ nil and: [cachedReference name = nearestReference name]) ifTrue: [^ self]. (self ignoreImage not and: [(loadedVersionInfos := self ancestorsFor: packageSpec) ~~ nil]) ifTrue: [loadedVersionInfos do: [:info |Â info name = nearestReference name ifTrue: [^ self]. nil]]. externalReference := (references select: [:ref | ref name = nearestReference name]) first asMetacelloCachingResolvedReference. self repositoryMap at: externalReference name put: externalReference repository. (self resolveDependencies: externalReference nearest: nearestReference into: (OrderedCollection with: nearestReference)) do: [:reference |Â | pSpec l | mcVersion := reference version. (l := (GoferVersionReference name: reference name) resolveAllWith: self loaderPolicy cacheGofer) isEmpty ifTrue: [self cacheRepository storeVersion: mcVersion. reference == nearestReference ifTrue: [pSpec := packageSpec] ifFalse: [pSpec := packageSpec project packageSpec. pSpec name: mcVersion info]. self loadData addVersion: mcVersion versionInfo: mcVersion info resolvedReference: reference packageSpec: pSpec]]. self loaderPolicy resetCacheGofer. self preLoad: packageSpec. (MetacelloDirective loadPackage: packageSpec externalReference: externalReference loader: self) addTo: self loadDirective. self postLoad: packageSpec. Transcript cr; show: 'Fetched -> ' , externalReference name , ' --- ' , externalReference repository description , ' --- ' , nearestReference repository description] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>linearLoadPackageSpec:gofer: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] in MetacelloPharoPlatform>>do:displaying: [result := workBlock value: progress] in [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do: [:ex |Â ex extraParam isString ifTrue: [SystemProgressMorph uniqueInstance labelAt: progress put: ex extraParam]. ex resume]] in ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction BlockClosure>>on:do: [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do: [:ex |Â ex extraParam isString ifTrue: [SystemProgressMorph uniqueInstance labelAt: progress put: ex extraParam]. ex resume]] in ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction BlockClosure>>ensure: ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction MorphicUIManager>>progressInitiationExceptionDefaultAction: ProgressInitiationException>>defaultAction UndefinedObject>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal ProgressInitiationException>>display:at:from:to:during: ProgressInitiationException class>>display:at:from:to:during: ByteString(String)>>displayProgressAt:from:to:during: MetacelloPharoPlatform>>do:displaying: Â - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Â - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>linearLoadPackageSpec:gofer: MetacelloPackageSpec>>loadUsing:gofer: [:pkg | pkg loadUsing: self gofer: gofer] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader(MetacelloCommonMCSpecLoader)>>linearLoadPackageSpecs:repositories: OrderedCollection>>do: MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader(MetacelloCommonMCSpecLoader)>>linearLoadPackageSpecs:repositories: [super linearLoadPackageSpecs: packageSpecs repositories: repositories] in MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>linearLoadPackageSpecs:repositories: BlockClosure>>ensure: MetacelloLoaderPolicy>>pushLoadDirective:during: MetacelloLoaderPolicy>>pushLinearLoadDirectivesDuring:for: MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader>>linearLoadPackageSpecs:repositories: MetacelloFetchingMCSpecLoader(MetacelloCommonMCSpecLoader)>>load MetacelloMCVersionSpecLoader>>load MetacelloMCVersion>>executeLoadFromArray: [:dict | ^ self executeLoadFromArray: anArray] in [self versionSpec loader: newLoader. MetacelloPlatform current useStackCacheDuring: [:dict | ^ self executeLoadFromArray: anArray] defaultDictionary: Dictionary new] in [[self versionSpec loader: newLoader. MetacelloPlatform current useStackCacheDuring: [:dict | ^ self executeLoadFromArray: anArray] defaultDictionary: Dictionary new] ensure: [self versionSpec loader: originalLoader]] in MetacelloMCVersion>>fetchRequiredFromArray: [^ aBlock value: dict] in MetacelloPharoPlatform(MetacelloPlatform)>>useStackCacheDuring:defaultDictionary: BlockClosure>>on:do: MetacelloPharoPlatform(MetacelloPlatform)>>useStackCacheDuring:defaultDictionary: [self versionSpec loader: newLoader. MetacelloPlatform current useStackCacheDuring: [:dict | ^ self executeLoadFromArray: anArray] defaultDictionary: Dictionary new] in [[self versionSpec loader: newLoader. MetacelloPlatform current useStackCacheDuring: [:dict | ^ self executeLoadFromArray: anArray] defaultDictionary: Dictionary new] ensure: [self versionSpec loader: originalLoader]] in MetacelloMCVersion>>fetchRequiredFromArray: BlockClosure>>ensure: [[self versionSpec loader: newLoader. MetacelloPlatform current useStackCacheDuring: [:dict | ^ self executeLoadFromArray: anArray] defaultDictionary: Dictionary new] ensure: [self versionSpec loader: originalLoader]] in MetacelloMCVersion>>fetchRequiredFromArray: [:bar |Â bar value: 1. aBlock value. bar value: 2] in MetacelloPharoPlatform>>do:displaying: [result := workBlock value: progress] in [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do: [:ex |Â ex extraParam isString ifTrue: [SystemProgressMorph uniqueInstance labelAt: progress put: ex extraParam]. ex resume]] in ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction BlockClosure>>on:do: [[result := workBlock value: progress] on: ProgressNotification do: [:ex |Â ex extraParam isString ifTrue: [SystemProgressMorph uniqueInstance labelAt: progress put: ex extraParam]. ex resume]] in ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction BlockClosure>>ensure: ProgressInitiationException>>defaultMorphicAction MorphicUIManager>>progressInitiationExceptionDefaultAction: ProgressInitiationException>>defaultAction UndefinedObject>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: MethodContext(ContextPart)>>handleSignal: ProgressInitiationException(Exception)>>signal ProgressInitiationException>>display:at:from:to:during: ProgressInitiationException class>>display:at:from:to:during: ByteString(String)>>displayProgressAt:from:to:during: MetacelloPharoPlatform>>do:displaying: MetacelloMCVersion>>fetchRequiredFromArray: [| fetchLoader | fetchLoader := self fetchRequiredFromArray: (self defaultPackageNamesToLoad: anArray). MetacelloPlatform current do: [fetchLoader doLoad] displaying: 'Loading ' , displayString. Transcript cr; show: '...finished ' , self versionNumber printString. ^ fetchLoader] in MetacelloMCVersion>>doLoadRequiredFromArray: BlockClosure>>ensure: MetacelloMCVersion>>doLoadRequiredFromArray: MetacelloMCVersion>>load ConfigurationOfVMMaker class>>load UndefinedObject>>DoIt Compiler>>evaluate:in:to:notifying:ifFail:logged: [rcvr class evaluatorClass new evaluate: self selectionForDoitAsStream in: ctxt to: rcvr notifying: self morph ifFail: [self morph flash. ^ nil] logged: true] in SmalltalkEditor>>evaluateSelectionAndDo: BlockClosure>>on:do: SmalltalkEditor>>evaluateSelectionAndDo: SmalltalkEditor>>evaluateSelection [textMorph editor evaluateSelection] in PluggableTextMorph>>doIt [result := editBlock value] in PluggableTextMorph>>handleEdit: TextMorphForEditView(TextMorph)>>handleEdit: PluggableTextMorph>>handleEdit: PluggableTextMorph>>doIt Workspace(StringHolder)>>perform:orSendTo: [| selArgCount | (selArgCount := selector numArgs) = 0 ifTrue: [target perform: selector] ifFalse: [selArgCount = arguments size ifTrue: [target perform: selector withArguments: arguments] ifFalse: [target perform: selector withArguments: (arguments copyWith: evt)]]. self changed] in ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>invokeWithEvent: BlockClosure>>ensure: CursorWithMask(Cursor)>>showWhile: ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>invokeWithEvent: ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>mouseUp: ToggleMenuItemMorph(MenuItemMorph)>>handleMouseUp: MouseButtonEvent>>sentTo: ToggleMenuItemMorph(Morph)>>handleEvent: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchDefault:with: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:with: ToggleMenuItemMorph(Morph)>>processEvent:using: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchDefault:with: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:with: MenuMorph(Morph)>>processEvent:using: MenuMorph(Morph)>>processEvent: MenuMorph>>handleFocusEvent: [ActiveHand := self. ActiveEvent := anEvent. result := focusHolder handleFocusEvent: (anEvent transformedBy: (focusHolder transformedFrom: self))] in HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: [aBlock value] in PasteUpMorph>>becomeActiveDuring: BlockClosure>>on:do: PasteUpMorph>>becomeActiveDuring: HandMorph>>sendFocusEvent:to:clear: HandMorph>>sendEvent:focus:clear: HandMorph>>sendMouseEvent: HandMorph>>handleEvent: HandMorph>>processEvents [:h |Â ActiveHand := h. h processEvents. ActiveHand := nil] in WorldState>>doOneCycleNowFor: Array(SequenceableCollection)>>do: WorldState>>handsDo: WorldState>>doOneCycleNowFor: WorldState>>doOneCycleFor: WorldState>>doOneSubCycleFor: PasteUpMorph>>doOneSubCycle MenuMorph>>invokeModalAt:in:allowKeyboard: MenuMorph>>invokeModal: MenuMorph>>invokeModal PluggableTextMorph>>yellowButtonActivity: TextMorphForEditView>>mouseDown: TextMorphForEditView(Morph)>>handleMouseDown: MouseButtonEvent>>sentTo: TextMorphForEditView(Morph)>>handleEvent: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchMouseDown:with: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:with: TextMorphForEditView(Morph)>>processEvent:using: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchMouseDown:with: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:with: TransformMorph(Morph)>>processEvent:using: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchMouseDown:with: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:with: PluggableTextMorph(Morph)>>processEvent:using: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchMouseDown:with: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:with: SystemWindow(Morph)>>processEvent:using: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchMouseDown:with: MorphicEventDispatcher>>dispatchEvent:with: PasteUpMorph(Morph)>>processEvent:using: PasteUpMorph>>processEvent:using: PasteUpMorph(Morph)>>processEvent: HandMorph>>sendEvent:focus:clear: HandMorph>>sendMouseEvent: HandMorph>>handleEvent: HandMorph>>processEvents [:h |Â ActiveHand := h. h processEvents. ActiveHand := nil] in WorldState>>doOneCycleNowFor: Array(SequenceableCollection)>>do: WorldState>>handsDo: WorldState>>doOneCycleNowFor: WorldState>>doOneCycleFor: PasteUpMorph>>doOneCycle [[World doOneCycle. Processor yield. false] whileFalse. nil] in MorphicUIManager>>spawnNewProcess [self value. Processor terminateActive] in BlockClosure>>newProcess ________________________________ From: Nicolas Cellier <nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr; dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 11:39 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build CogVM in MacOSX 10.7 Lion 2012/1/29 dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk>: > ok if you want me to install the latest I will install the latest , but > there is no such documentation I am aware of how to do that . > > Can you help me ? > > Currently I have NBCog , Pharo-1.4 image and the latest from "Â git clone > git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git" > > But I have no idea how to install the latest VMMaker and CMakeVMMaker > > I tried monticello giving it this adress > > MCHttpRepository >Â Â location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker' >Â Â user: '' >Â Â password: '' > I agree with you, we are very very bad when it come to documenting how to... To aggravate this situation, the ground is moving fast under our feet. If you open above address in a web browser, you'll see this: Effective 05-Sept-2011, the VMMaker repository is hosted at http://source.squeak.org/VMMaker.html and new updates will appear in that repository, possibly mirrored here for convenience. Please update your Montecello browsers accordingly. There is a Metacello invocation for loading all Pharo compatible or Pharo specific packages maybe something like this (I'm not totally sure, but Pharo gurus will correct me) Gofer new Â squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; Â package: 'ConfigurationOfVMMaker'; Â load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfVMMaker) perform: #load. I don't have write access to these repositories, but I wish this incantation were in the project description or the wiki of both pages http://source.squeak.org/VMMaker.html and http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker I also see a notice about SVN, but nothing about the git repository... I'm sure detailed instructions exist somewhere but a link should be provided from the Monticello project page. That's the least we should do, and not only for newbies (I often swear like troopers when I loose my time searching the precious information). These little obstacles are repelling many people I guess, it's like we should follow an initiation before we dare putting our dirty nose in code. I don't like this spirit, and I hope it's unintentional, but it's totally contrary to Smalltalk foundations. Nicolas > > Any package I click to load it gives me dependency issues and update package > complains about a Bad > > Gateway > > > Yes I got the very latest of XCode and I am open to any suggestion. > > ________________________________ > From: Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 1:00 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build CogVM in MacOSX 10.7 Lion > > > > I don't know. But how do you know from his stackstrace that the problem is > that ? > > > i dont. :) > i replied after seeing an Esteban's message saying that your post is > outdated and one should use 3.9 config version. > and couple days before we had someone who asking why NB-enabled VM fails to > build for him, > when he still using this magic > Â ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfVMMaker) project version: '1.5') load. > > while when i was released an CMakeVMMaker configs for NB , it was already > far beyond that version, > and of course won't work with 1.5. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Problems loading underscore assignments

by Lukas Renggli

Yes, the refactoring engine contains a code transformation that fixes automatically and preserves all formatting. Just run Code Critics on your package and apply the suggested transformations for "Transformations > Underscore assignements should be avoided". Again you must evaluate "Scanner allowUnderscoreAsAssignment: true" before running Code Critics, otherwise the refactoring engine does not parse methods with underscore assignments. Lukas On 29 January 2012 05:32, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > Is there a way for fix underscores via OB in lieu of the programmatic way > shown at > http://book.pharo-project.org/book/Tidbits/TipsAndTricks/FixingUnderscores ? > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Problems-loading-underscore-assignments-tp4337617p433… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build CogVM in MacOSX 10.7 Lion

by Nicolas Cellier

2012/1/29 dimitris chloupis <thekilon(a)yahoo.co.uk>: > ok if you want me to install the latest I will install the latest , but > there is no such documentation I am aware of how to do that . > > Can you help me ? > > Currently I have NBCog , Pharo-1.4 image and the latest from "Â git clone > git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git" > > But I have no idea how to install the latest VMMaker and CMakeVMMaker > > I tried monticello giving it this adress > > MCHttpRepository > location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker' > user: '' > password: '' > I agree with you, we are very very bad when it come to documenting how to... To aggravate this situation, the ground is moving fast under our feet. If you open above address in a web browser, you'll see this: Effective 05-Sept-2011, the VMMaker repository is hosted at http://source.squeak.org/VMMaker.html and new updates will appear in that repository, possibly mirrored here for convenience. Please update your Montecello browsers accordingly. There is a Metacello invocation for loading all Pharo compatible or Pharo specific packages maybe something like this (I'm not totally sure, but Pharo gurus will correct me) Gofer new squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; package: 'ConfigurationOfVMMaker'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfVMMaker) perform: #load. I don't have write access to these repositories, but I wish this incantation were in the project description or the wiki of both pages http://source.squeak.org/VMMaker.html and http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker I also see a notice about SVN, but nothing about the git repository... I'm sure detailed instructions exist somewhere but a link should be provided from the Monticello project page. That's the least we should do, and not only for newbies (I often swear like troopers when I loose my time searching the precious information). These little obstacles are repelling many people I guess, it's like we should follow an initiation before we dare putting our dirty nose in code. I don't like this spirit, and I hope it's unintentional, but it's totally contrary to Smalltalk foundations. Nicolas > > Any package I click to load it gives me dependency issues and update package > complains about a Bad > > Gateway > > > Yes I got the very latest of XCode and I am open to any suggestion. > > ________________________________ > From: Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 1:00 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build CogVM in MacOSX 10.7 Lion > > > > I don't know. But how do you know from his stackstrace that the problem is > that ? > > > i dont. :) > i replied after seeing an Esteban's message saying that your post is > outdated and one should use 3.9 config version. > and couple days before we had someone who asking why NB-enabled VM fails to > build for him, > when he still using this magic > Â ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfVMMaker) project version: '1.5') load. > > while when i was released an CMakeVMMaker configs for NB , it was already > far beyond that version, > and of course won't work with 1.5. > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

Jan. 29, 2012

[Pharo-project] [:x :y| x*x. â x + y]

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi guys is there a naming convention for such blocks. In the chapter I called them escaping block but I also used continuation blocks. (I do not like continuation blocks since to me it is unclear) but if this is a convention I would follow it. Stef

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build CogVM in MacOSX 10.7 Lion

by dimitris chloupis

ok if you want me to install the latest I will install the latest , but there is no such documentation I am aware of how to do that .Â Can you help me ?Â Currently I have NBCog , Pharo-1.4 image and the latest from "Â git clone git://gitorious.org/cogvm/blessed.git" But I have no idea how to install the latest VMMaker and CMakeVMMaker I tried monticello giving it this adress MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/VMMaker' user: '' password: '' Any package I click to load it gives me dependency issues and update package complains about a Bad Gateway Yes I got the very latest of XCode and I am open to any suggestion.Â ________________________________ From: Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr Sent: Sunday, 29 January 2012, 1:00 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Trying to build CogVM in MacOSX 10.7 Lion >I don't know. But how do you know from his stackstrace that the problem is that ? > > i dont. :) i replied after seeing an Esteban's message saying that your post is outdated and one should use 3.9 config version. and couple days before we had someone who asking why NB-enabled VM fails to build for him, when he still using this magic Â ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfVMMaker) project version: '1.5') load. while when i was released an CMakeVMMaker configs for NB , it was already far beyond that version, and of course won't work with 1.5. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

by laurent laffont

200 developers on a project ? Scaring ..... They should use another technology than Java to go under 50 developers. They will save a lot of money :) Laurent 2012/1/28 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > Hi guys, > > Ralph Johnson in his InfoQ interview made an interesting observation: > > 2:55 minute: "Smalltalk made an fundamental error ... image ... you can > build something with 4-5 people what 50 people can build in Java, but if > you take 200 people in Java ... it is really designed for small systems > ... " > > Are we because of the image really destined for relatively small > projects and small systems (of Java 50 people project size)? > > Are we really not able to scale to bigger projects/systems because of that? > > Ok, there are few exceptions of course (JPMorgan, OOCL, ..), but still... > > [1] http://www.infoq.com/interviews/johnson-armstrong-oop > > Best regards > Janko > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Aida/Web > Smalltalk Web Application Server > http://www.aidaweb.si > >

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Meaning of the name "Pharo"

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

;) Stef On Jan 29, 2012, at 8:18 AM, dimitris chloupis wrote: > it also helps that "pharo" via google easily points to the website as it is not so commonly used in the internet as a name. > > Being Greek and big lover of the sea, I am a big fan of the name. My full nick name is "ÎÎ·Î»ÏÎ½ ÎÎ»Î¹Î¿Ï" "Kilon Alios" means "the one who charms/motivates and came from the sea". What bigger motivation and more essential element of the sea than a lighthouse ? :D > > From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Sent: Friday, 27 January 2012, 17:51 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Meaning of the name "Pharo" > > > On Jan 27, 2012, at 8:17 AM, Max Leske wrote: > > > I always enjoy it if a product / project with a "funny" name explains that name somewhere (origin, intention). I think it says a lot about the kind of project it is (how dedicated are the people? If the name is crap, the product will probably be tooâ¦). So I thought, it might be cool to introduce a paragraph (in the "About" section maybe) that explains the origins of the name "Pharo". > > > > Any thoughts? > > Yes! > I love lighthouse because > - it is protecting boats from crashing on the coast > - stand against the wind and is wild sea > Really positive image. > > Pharo: solid software with a vision, helping large programs to get to the coast nicely. > > > > > Cheers, > > Max > > > >

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] addToStartUpList and World extent

by Hilaire Fernandes

The scenario looks like the following: - image is save with main window at an arbitrary extent - image is load in a different system with the different screen extent, the main window is automatically set to this screen extent - #startUp class registered messages are sent - World is set to the screen extent Indeed there is a DisplayScreen class>startUp setting the Display extent to the actual screen extent. Looks like addToStartUpList: aClass after: predecessor will be handy. Hilaire Le 28/01/2012 22:28, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > This is strange. > Did you look at the startup sequence? > > On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Hello Pharoers, >> >> I am using "Smalltalk addToStartUpList: self" to register DrGeo in the >> startup sequence, so a new drgeo window is instantiated fullscreen >> automatically if none exist. However I have noted, at least on iPad and >> Android, that the instantiated window is not set to the correct >> fullscreen extent (it is smaller). DrGeo Window instantiated later from >> user request are correctly set fullscreen. >> >> Could it be that World, at the startUp sequence time, does not know yet >> the screen extent? >> Should I use another kind of startup sequence >> >> Thanks >> >> Hilaire >> >> -- >> Dr. Geo -- http://www.drgeo.eu >> >> > > > -- Dr. Geo -- http://www.drgeo.eu

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Smalltalk for small projects only?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

+1 Metacello is the way to go! Dale I will update the chapter as soon as you decide the new API :) I'm working on a nice process document for our little community. Stay tuned :) Stef > My opinion that being able to build images from scratch (easily and reproducibly) is a "requirement" to get in the door for mainstream projects... giving mainstream developers the opportunity to work in a image-based environment will set them free:)

Jan. 29, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only?

by dimitris chloupis

Maybe not for smalltalk but for python there is a number of surveys that prove that by replacing java with python you can scale down developing time by 2-3x times. By "prove" I mean projects that have actually done that. Â Not quite a 10x but I think its impressive non the less and I think the numbers wont be very dissimilar for smalltalk ________________________________ From: Michael Haupt <mhaupt(a)gmail.com> To: "Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr" <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Saturday, 28 January 2012, 23:29 Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk for small projects only? Janko, Am 28.01.2012 um 21:08 schrieb Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si>: >> I think this is a post that clearly illustrates the big problem with >> smalltalk. The very fact that is compared with Java and Java survives. > > Yes, that 4-5 peole can do what 50 Java people are needed is both a > blessing and a curse :) I wanted to ask this earlier: is there actual evidence for this, or is it just boasting? > Blessing because of productivity, curse because > we are not able to scale beyond one highly connected development group. > We don't have project management practices and tools, while Java guys > have because they need them from the start. I'm not so sure the people at those Smalltalk firms building software for banks et al. have no project management. Boasting? ;-) Best, Michael

Jan. 29, 2012