January 2012 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example

by Gerry Weaver

Hi Serge, Wow! Thanks for the speedy reply. I will do as you suggest. Thanks, GerryÂ -----Original Message----- > From: "Serge Stinckwich" <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Date: 01/04/12 19:07 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example > > 2012/1/5 Gerry Weaver <gerryw(a)compvia.com>: > > Hello All, > > > > I'm new to Pharo and SmallTalk. I am trying to follow "Pharo by Example", > > but my Pharo browser is not the same. I tried to follow the FAQ about how to > > fix that, but the drop down menu doesn't look the same either. Should I be > > using a different version of Pharo? I'm using 1.3. > > Hi Gerry, > > Yes the last version of Pharo By Example use a specific version (close > to Pharo 1.0). > You can download this version here: > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27023/PBE-1.0.zip > > Maybe you can start this version and switch to a more recent version > when you feel more confident with the IDE. > > Regards, > > PS: BTW, this is Smalltalk not SmallTalk. > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) > http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo by Example

by Serge Stinckwich

2012/1/5 Gerry Weaver <gerryw(a)compvia.com>: > Hello All, > > I'm new to Pharo and SmallTalk. I am trying to follow "Pharo by Example", > but my Pharo browser is not the same. I tried to follow the FAQ about how to > fix that, but the drop down menu doesn't look the same either. Should I be > using a different version of Pharo? I'm using 1.3. Hi Gerry, Yes the last version of Pharo By Example use a specific version (close to Pharo 1.0). You can download this version here: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/27023/PBE-1.0.zip Maybe you can start this version and switch to a more recent version when you feel more confident with the IDE. Regards, PS: BTW, this is Smalltalk not SmallTalk. -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Matsuno Laboratory, Kyoto University, Japan (until 12/2011) http://www.mechatronics.me.kyoto-u.ac.jp/ Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

Jan. 5, 2012

[Pharo-project] Pharo by Example

by Gerry Weaver

Hello All, I'm new to Pharo and SmallTalk. I am trying to follow "Pharo by Example", but my Pharo browser is not the same. I tried to follow the FAQ about how to fix that, but the drop down menu doesn't look the same either. Should I be using a different version of Pharo? I'm using 1.3. Thanks, Gerry

Jan. 5, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] linesOfCode or another simple/understandable metric vaguely related to 'effort'

by Stefan Marr

Hi: On 04 Jan 2012, at 23:34, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > S, Mariano Martinez Peck piÅ¡e: >> Sorry I forgot to mention you did them ;) >> I am trying to remember if I change something but I think I didn't. > > No problem Mariano, I just wanted to encourage Stefan to look at the > code by impressing him with results :) > >> S, Mariano Martinez Peck piÅ¡e: >>> Check the attached. Check the class side method #ghostStats as an >>> example. Just print the result. Thanks to both of you. Looks useful, indeed. A bunch of additional 'deceiving' metrics ;) Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

Jan. 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] linesOfCode or another simple/understandable metric vaguely related to 'effort'

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

S, Mariano Martinez Peck piÅ¡e: > 2012/1/4 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>> > Code Mariano sent is used for doing this stats: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Atnb1W9vuq9ndG4wbUpxNXpKQnFZRl… > > and can be found also here: > http://www.squeaksource.com/WebCodeStats.html > Sorry I forgot to mention you did them ;) > I am trying to remember if I change something but I think I didn't. No problem Mariano, I just wanted to encourage Stefan to look at the code by impressing him with results :) Janko > > > Best regards > Janko > > S, Mariano Martinez Peck piÅ¡e: > > Check the attached. Check the class side method #ghostStats as an > > example. Just print the result. > > > > Cheers > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stefan Marr > <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de <mailto:smalltalk@stefan-marr.de> > > <mailto:smalltalk@stefan-marr.de > <mailto:smalltalk@stefan-marr.de>>> wrote: > > > > Hi: > > > > I see #linesOfCode in my image to get a basic idea of what I > look at > > in terms of size. > > > > Are there any other 'simple' things? > > I have heard of Moose, but rather to visualize a system and to dig > > further into it. > > > > But I want rather to 'summarize' and 'compare'. > > Thus, the typical thing we often try to argue: I can do something > > with 'less effort'. > > > > I am not aware of anything that correlates better with effort than > > flipping a coin or linesOfCode. > > So, I would go with linesOfCode for the moment... > > > > > > Did anyone do the exercise to have a linesOfCode based on pretty > > printed sources? > > > > Hints to other tools are also appreciate. > > > > Thanks > > Stefan > > > > > > > > -- > > Stefan Marr > > Software Languages Lab > > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr <http://soft.vub.ac.be/%7Esmarr> > <http://soft.vub.ac.be/%7Esmarr> > > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 <tel:%2B32%202%20629%202974> > <tel:%2B32%202%20629%202974> > > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 <tel:%2B32%202%20629%203525> > <tel:%2B32%202%20629%203525> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Svetovalec za informatiko > Eranova d.o.o. > Ljubljana, Slovenija > www.eranova.si <http://www.eranova.si> > tel: 01 514 22 55 > faks: 01 514 22 56 > gsm: 031 674 565 > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

Jan. 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] linesOfCode or another simple/understandable metric vaguely related to 'effort'

by Mariano Martinez Peck

2012/1/4 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > Hi Stefan, > > Code Mariano sent is used for doing this stats: > > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Atnb1W9vuq9ndG4wbUpxNXpKQnFZRl… > > and can be found also here: > http://www.squeaksource.com/WebCodeStats.html > > Sorry I forgot to mention you did them ;) I am trying to remember if I change something but I think I didn't. > Best regards > Janko > > S, Mariano Martinez Peck piÅ¡e: > > Check the attached. Check the class side method #ghostStats as an > > example. Just print the result. > > > > Cheers > > > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stefan Marr <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de > > <mailto:smalltalk@stefan-marr.de>> wrote: > > > > Hi: > > > > I see #linesOfCode in my image to get a basic idea of what I look at > > in terms of size. > > > > Are there any other 'simple' things? > > I have heard of Moose, but rather to visualize a system and to dig > > further into it. > > > > But I want rather to 'summarize' and 'compare'. > > Thus, the typical thing we often try to argue: I can do something > > with 'less effort'. > > > > I am not aware of anything that correlates better with effort than > > flipping a coin or linesOfCode. > > So, I would go with linesOfCode for the moment... > > > > > > Did anyone do the exercise to have a linesOfCode based on pretty > > printed sources? > > > > Hints to other tools are also appreciate. > > > > Thanks > > Stefan > > > > > > > > -- > > Stefan Marr > > Software Languages Lab > > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr <http://soft.vub.ac.be/%7Esmarr> > > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 <tel:%2B32%202%20629%202974> > > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 <tel:%2B32%202%20629%203525> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mariano > > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Svetovalec za informatiko > Eranova d.o.o. > Ljubljana, Slovenija > www.eranova.si > tel: 01 514 22 55 > faks: 01 514 22 56 > gsm: 031 674 565 > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Jan. 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] linesOfCode or another simple/understandable metric vaguely related to 'effort'

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

Hi Stefan, Code Mariano sent is used for doing this stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Atnb1W9vuq9ndG4wbUpxNXpKQnFZRl… and can be found also here: http://www.squeaksource.com/WebCodeStats.html Best regards Janko S, Mariano Martinez Peck piÅ¡e: > Check the attached. Check the class side method #ghostStats as an > example. Just print the result. > > Cheers > > On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stefan Marr <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de > <mailto:smalltalk@stefan-marr.de>> wrote: > > Hi: > > I see #linesOfCode in my image to get a basic idea of what I look at > in terms of size. > > Are there any other 'simple' things? > I have heard of Moose, but rather to visualize a system and to dig > further into it. > > But I want rather to 'summarize' and 'compare'. > Thus, the typical thing we often try to argue: I can do something > with 'less effort'. > > I am not aware of anything that correlates better with effort than > flipping a coin or linesOfCode. > So, I would go with linesOfCode for the moment... > > > Did anyone do the exercise to have a linesOfCode based on pretty > printed sources? > > Hints to other tools are also appreciate. > > Thanks > Stefan > > > > -- > Stefan Marr > Software Languages Lab > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr <http://soft.vub.ac.be/%7Esmarr> > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 <tel:%2B32%202%20629%202974> > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 <tel:%2B32%202%20629%203525> > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

Jan. 4, 2012

[Pharo-project] happy new year plus cogdroid news

by Alain Rastoul

Hi Pharo guys, First, let me wish you a happy new year, health, and success in your projects. I also wanted to mention that I started the first day of this year trying Pharo on an android tablet (sony) with my develoment image (Pharo 1.3 with lot of stuff loaded : seaside, glorp, dbx, moose fuel and more) and it was really nice ... I even got a local seaside web server running on the tablet. ... 8-) IMHO a great opportunity for Pharo, the ONLY IDE running natively on Android (and mac, and linux and windows), a hyped new system, new media (back to the think pad?) ... There is still a lot of work to make Pharo a "good android citizen" , including (just thoughts): - several basic UI improvements , it is quite difficult to click on a corner to expand a window - keyboard improvements : no way to get alt or ctl key working so far - new theme for tablet (bigger fonts, bigger scrollbars etc) (I started to look at this) - new smalltalk tools : browser, finder inspector (I will try a small Glamourous browser ) - reduce cpu usage (suspend/awake pharo process ? ) - interface to android content providers (audio, video, calendar data etc) - ... and for sure lot more Many thanks to Andreas, Dimitri and other people who worked on it Best regards, Alain

Jan. 4, 2012

Re: [Pharo-project] linesOfCode or another simple/understandable metric vaguely related to 'effort'

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Check the attached. Check the class side method #ghostStats as an example. Just print the result. Cheers On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Stefan Marr <smalltalk(a)stefan-marr.de>wrote: > Hi: > > I see #linesOfCode in my image to get a basic idea of what I look at in > terms of size. > > Are there any other 'simple' things? > I have heard of Moose, but rather to visualize a system and to dig further > into it. > > But I want rather to 'summarize' and 'compare'. > Thus, the typical thing we often try to argue: I can do something with > 'less effort'. > > I am not aware of anything that correlates better with effort than > flipping a coin or linesOfCode. > So, I would go with linesOfCode for the moment... > > > Did anyone do the exercise to have a linesOfCode based on pretty printed > sources? > > Hints to other tools are also appreciate. > > Thanks > Stefan > > > > -- > Stefan Marr > Software Languages Lab > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

Jan. 4, 2012

[Pharo-project] linesOfCode or another simple/understandable metric vaguely related to 'effort'

by Stefan Marr

Hi: I see #linesOfCode in my image to get a basic idea of what I look at in terms of size. Are there any other 'simple' things? I have heard of Moose, but rather to visualize a system and to dig further into it. But I want rather to 'summarize' and 'compare'. Thus, the typical thing we often try to argue: I can do something with 'less effort'. I am not aware of anything that correlates better with effort than flipping a coin or linesOfCode. So, I would go with linesOfCode for the moment... Did anyone do the exercise to have a linesOfCode based on pretty printed sources? Hints to other tools are also appreciate. Thanks Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

Jan. 4, 2012