September 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.3 OneCick with Cog VM

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:59 PM, John Toohey wrote: > Hi, > Is there a 1.3 OneClick build available with the Cog VM, or should I > just down load the linux and OSX Cog builds from the Jenkins server? The script on the hudson is old... we need to update it. And move everything from hudson to jenkins. And, and... So for now: https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28922/Pharo-1.3-OneClick.zip hand-build one-click with Cog as build from https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/ > often run into problems with having different VMs/Plugin on different > servers, and like the idea of having both Liux and OSX supported in > one package, where I can just update the image. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Sept. 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] Smalltalk vision

by Sean P. DeNigris

There is a very (to me at least) inspiring thread on squeak-dev at http://forum.world.st/Fork-Proposal-Cuis-amp-Killer-Apps-td3796633.html Here is the core of the OP: > I suggest a new fork or possibly a new orientation for the next Squeak > release: > Adopt Cuis as the core image and focus on killer applications to attract > new Smalltalk users. > Thousands of downloads are recorded on CNet for simple apps like a voice > recorder. > They could all be using and learning Smalltalk. Same for many other > applications. > That would help make Smalltalk popular again. > > Recently I found Squeak / Cuis contains many Sound classes. So I wrote up > an email suggesting it to a community college teacher friend who had asked > for a sound recorder. Imagine my embarrassment when I found the files > Squeak supports doesn't include .mp3. > > Squeak has so much unfinished half starts at programs, why not adopt > Juan's work to flush the unnecessary, then get started on building a > serious applications team to build truly useful free code. > > Another example, Roxio is a million dollar software company making a video > recorder app. which is not as good as an ordinary VCR and not supported > (they have a staff but try getting any real help). Squeak could be > capturing a slice of that market and enticing users to learn Smalltalk! > And source code can substitute for most support. > > Another example, Solid Works is a 3D object drafting program that is > simple and gets many thousands of users away from AutoDesk. Can Smalltalk > deliver most or all of that function with a FFI to openGL and some > programming? Certianly! > And here is the response I posted: > This is pure gold. It would be great to put the personality differences > aside (I think the only real obstacle/difference at this point) and unify > as much as possible. > > For sure, another fork would only dilute everyone's great efforts further. > But a stack of existing technologies could be very intriguing, if only > wishful thinking right now. The seeming current policy of > Squeak/Pharo/Cuis/etc to cherry pick changes from the other guys seems to > leave little time for killer app development. Imagine something like: > > cuis - rock-solid, clean, stable, small kernel > + pharo - professional-grade Smalltalk with the expected bells and > whistles of a modern IDE > + squeak - dynabook software (which b.t.w. was the whole point of Squeak > - and Smalltalk - in the first place); a medium that unites all other > media of human expression, with the required support of PDF > reading/writing/viewing, HTML browsing, cross-platform mp3 support... > _______________________________________________________________________ > = the closest we've ever been to the holy grail of computing (until VPRI > releases and makes us all obsolete, lol) > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Smalltalk-vision-tp3798902p3798902.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] 1.3 OneCick with Cog VM

by John Toohey

Hi, Is there a 1.3 OneClick build available with the Cog VM, or should I just down load the linux and OSX Cog builds from the Jenkins server? I often run into problems with having different VMs/Plugin on different servers, and like the idea of having both Liux and OSX supported in one package, where I can just update the image. -- ~JT

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Sean P. DeNigris

Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > yeah... but you should be using > https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa-blessed/ > Ha ha, okay I'm glad I know now, but do we need both? It seems confusing. Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > sorry for the mess... still dealing with my last configurations :) > No problem, thank you for all the work you do and for the support at ESUG. I finally got cog to compile with Igor :) Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > please, please, please... do not use carbon versions. Report cocoa > problems instead :) > I am reporting cocoa problems *and* using Carbon until the plugin issues are worked out. Last I checked OSP and TestOSA were not working in Cog Cocoa. In fact, TestOSA is not working well in Cog Carbon either, but one can copy the plugin from the Interpreter carbon 4.2.5 into the cog carbon resource folder and it seems to work fine -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/jenkins-mac-cogvm-misses-os-process-tp3798359p3798873… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Esteban Lorenzano

yeah... but you should be using https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa-blessed/ not https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ sorry for the mess... still dealing with my last configurations :) please, please, please... do not use carbon versions. Report cocoa problems instead :) cheers, Esteban El 08/09/2011, a las 10:03a.m., Sean P. DeNigris escribiÃ³: > I reported this @ http://code.google.com/p/cog/issues/detail?id=60 : > OSProcess not working > > If you don't mind using the Carbon versions for now, OSP is working on both > the Jenkins Stack and Jit IIRC. > > Sean > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/jenkins-mac-cogvm-misses-os-process-tp3798359p3798741… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Sean P. DeNigris

I reported this @ http://code.google.com/p/cog/issues/detail?id=60 : OSProcess not working If you don't mind using the Carbon versions for now, OSP is working on both the Jenkins Stack and Jit IIRC. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/jenkins-mac-cogvm-misses-os-process-tp3798359p3798741… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] TextLint for Emacs & TextMate

by Sean P. DeNigris

Damien Cassou wrote: > > I would be happy to include it if someone does it. That would be a > good way to prove me vi is extensible because I don't think it is :-). > Just having fun -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/TextLint-for-Emacs-TextMate-tp3792765p3798726.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 80#3 - TestRunnerBrowser

by Sean P. DeNigris

The following is cut-and-pasted and adapted from "Pharo By Example". Steph, any license issues here? Although tests can be most easily be run from a browser, I provide the ability to: * select sets of test suites to run. I am designed to make it easy to execute groups of tests * obtain a more detailed log of the results UI Description ___________ My left-most pane lists all of the categories that contain test classes (i.e., subclasses of TestCase); when some of these categories are selected, the test classes that they contain appear in the pane to the right. Abstract classes are italicized, and the test class hierarchy is shown by indentation, so subclasses of ClassTestCase are indented more than subclasses of TestCase. The tests that did not pass (if any) are listed in the right-hand panes of the Test Runner; if you want to debug one, to see why it failed, just click on the name. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-COTDC-80-3-TestRunnerBrowser-tp3797043p3798715.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Debugger bug fix 1

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

tx mike Stef On Sep 8, 2011, at 2:37 PM, Michael Roberts wrote: > So I found the bug with the first assignment. It is caused by a difference between squeak and Pharo in SortedCollection. (on my phone so will be brief) > > In Pharo the debugger map collection gets sorted and asked for an index for a given pc. It is supposed to answer 1 because there is no match and it is expected to be the first index for insertion. However when the asSortedCollection gets done the internal start index of the collection is 2. This manifests the bug. 2 is answered as the insertion position but this is a value internal to the collection. > > Squeak does not have this bug because it forces a reset of the start index to 1. Hope that makes sense. I don't know what the correct fix is. We copy the reset:1 type code to force the collection to have start from 1 property. We check semantics of index for insertion. Is it the position of the element of index relative to pointers? Or we change the debugger to calculate the offset (but this feels wrong) > > So this is an opportunity for some test cases and fixes around sorted collection if we know what the correct semantics are. This leak of '2' out of the collection is only wrong if 2 is a valid state. If that makes sense... > > Cheers > Mike

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: A new way to render the debugger

by Benjamin

On Sep 8, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Benjamin > <benjamin.vanryseghem.pharo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Do you like it ? (Should it be integrated ?) > > What happens when the a frame is a closure? In the standard debugger > you see the full closure code and you have to scroll to see the method > in which it is implemented. Does your view improve this situation? > instead of having the bloc on one line (really helpful :) ), you get an entry like: Block in MyClass :) But it can be changed :) Ben > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them > popular by not having them." James Iry >

Sept. 8, 2011