September 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Sean P. DeNigris

Marcus Denker-4 wrote: > > The problem is that we can not be everything for everyone... > Resources are too contrained. > Of course I understand. That is why I spent much of my ESUG learning to build and debug the VM - so I can help myself and maybe even the maintainers :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/jenkins-mac-cogvm-misses-os-process-tp3798359p3799006… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] pharo on lion

by Sean P. DeNigris

I filed a Cog issue (http://code.google.com/p/cog/issues/detail?id=62) for the following Lion fullscreen behavior: * fullscreen button * autosave * correct dock/menu bar handling Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/pharo-on-lion-tp3682819p3798999.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Esteban Lorenzano

El 08/09/2011, a las 11:28a.m., Marcus Denker escribiÃ³: > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > >> >> Marcus Denker-4 wrote: >>> >>> I do not even know what TestOSA is. Do we really need it? >>> >> >> It is for Applescript. I use it all the time, but may be the only one :) btw... it should be working on Cocoa Mac Cog Blessed... at least, as bad as is working in carbon versions ;) Esteban > > > The problem is that we can not be everything for everyone... > Resources are too contrained. > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > >

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 8, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > Marcus Denker-4 wrote: >> >> I do not even know what TestOSA is. Do we really need it? >> > > It is for Applescript. I use it all the time, but may be the only one :) The problem is that we can not be everything for everyone... Resources are too contrained. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Esteban Lorenzano

El 08/09/2011, a las 11:08a.m., Marcus Denker escribiÃ³: > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > >> >> Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >>> >>> yeah... but you should be using >>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa-blessed/ >>> >> >> Ha ha, okay I'm glad I know now, but do we need both? It seems confusing. >> > There are a lot of things that are very confusing. We need to simplify, radically. > (and yes, even discontinue things that used to work. Just because someone once > did a Plugin (Klatt comes to mind...), does not mean that we need to support if forever. yes... the "blessed" cocoa jenkins branch was born because I did not bring with me my computer to esug, and, the fixes Igor and I made then needed to be commited and built... so, Igor created that set of builds. But now, I think that set of jobs are a positive thing, because I use the continuous integration service (jenkings) as a "integration" step. That means: I use Cog-Mac-Cocoa, etc. to test the integration of my changes with others (that's how I discover the BYTES_PER_WORLD problem we have been discussing, for instance). Jenkings is a development tool, so it is understandable if is a little confusing for non-developers, but we also can improve (a little bit) understanding there, by adding some explanation to experimental/nonstable jobs (I already added one to Cog Mac Cocoa) What we really need is to provide (in pharo page) a UNIQUE link to the stable VM we are going to promote. cheers, Esteban

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.3 OneCick with Cog VM

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 8, 2011, at 4:19 PM, John Toohey wrote: > Many thanks. Unfortunately this version throws errors when I try to > load my code from MC. "Error: Illegal UTF-8 encoding" from MC when I > try to build my image. Can you tell me what is the *most* stable > version that I can use with Cog and SS 3.x? > This one. I have never seen that error. So.. a case for the bug tracker. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:05, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:59 PM, John Toohey wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Is there a 1.3 OneClick build available with the Cog VM, or should I >>> just down load the linux and OSX Cog builds from the Jenkins server? >> >> The script on the hudson is old... we need to update it. And move everything >> from hudson to jenkins. And, and... >> >> So for now: >> >> https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28922/Pharo-1.3-OneClick.zip >> >> hand-build one-click with Cog as build from https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/ >> >>> often run into problems with having different VMs/Plugin on different >>> servers, and like the idea of having both Liux and OSX supported in >>> one package, where I can just update the image. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de >> >> >> > > > > -- > ~JT > -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.3 OneCick with Cog VM

by John Toohey

Many thanks. Unfortunately this version throws errors when I try to load my code from MC. "Error: Illegal UTF-8 encoding" from MC when I try to build my image. Can you tell me what is the *most* stable version that I can use with Cog and SS 3.x? On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:05, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:59 PM, John Toohey wrote: > >> Hi, >> Is there a 1.3 OneClick build available with the Cog VM, or should I >> just down load the linux and OSX Cog builds from the Jenkins server? > > The script on the hudson is old... we need to update it. And move everything > from hudson to jenkins. And, and... > > So for now: > > Â Â Â Â https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28922/Pharo-1.3-OneClick.zip > > hand-build one-click with Cog as build from https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/ > >> often run into problems with having different VMs/Plugin on different >> servers, and like the idea of having both Liux and OSX supported in >> one package, where I can just update the image. > > > > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- ~JT

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Sean P. DeNigris

Marcus Denker-4 wrote: > > I do not even know what TestOSA is. Do we really need it? > It is for Applescript. I use it all the time, but may be the only one :) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/jenkins-mac-cogvm-misses-os-process-tp3798359p3798935… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk vision

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 8, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > There is a very (to me at least) inspiring thread on squeak-dev at > http://forum.world.st/Fork-Proposal-Cuis-amp-Killer-Apps-td3796633.html > Is CUIS compatible to etoys? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Sept. 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] jenkins mac cogvm misses os process?

by Marcus Denker

On Sep 8, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: > > Esteban Lorenzano wrote: >> >> yeah... but you should be using >> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa-blessed/ >> > > Ha ha, okay I'm glad I know now, but do we need both? It seems confusing. > There are a lot of things that are very confusing. We need to simplify, radically. (and yes, even discontinue things that used to work. Just because someone once did a Plugin (Klatt comes to mind...), does not mean that we need to support if forever. >> > I am reporting cocoa problems *and* using Carbon until the plugin issues are > worked out. Last I checked OSP and TestOSA were not working in Cog Cocoa. In > fact, TestOSA I do not even know what TestOSA is. Do we really need it? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Sept. 8, 2011