August 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeaksource is down :(

by Johan Brichau

On 07 Aug 2011, at 18:36, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Again and again, automatic restart is not possible with SqueakSource > because it requires manual intervention after startup to make sure the > model is properly loaded and consistent. People are not stupid. ha ok, I did ask the question before but never got an answer. I hope that the new SmalltalkHUB and SS3 people prepare to not integrate a human being into their system. thanks for the info. cheers, Johan

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cleaning/completing ConfigurationOfPetitParser

by Damien Pollet

On 7 August 2011 18:14, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Indeed, AST-Core is a dependency of PetitSmalltalk. Also Glamour is a > dependency of PetitGUI. Both packages probably shouldn't be loaded by > default. The Glamour sep is already described. I added PetitSmalltalk and committed. I'll do others on demand. >> Also, why are there less class methods than on other ConfigurationOf... ? > > Don't know, probably nobody bothered to update the configurations. > Feel free to fix them :-) I need to read the Metacello chapter first :) -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeaksource is down :(

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>>> Please do not put unnecessary load on SqueakSource by running >>> additional monitoring services. This does not help at all. >> >> Thanks for the info. I knew that there was a watchdog but not sure it was still running. >> I hope that soon we will be able to let SS rest in peace after all the immense work it offers to us. > > We should run SqueakSource in read-only mode ASAP and shut-it down by > the end of the month. Otherwise nothing will ever happen. It will :) And end of the month there is esug so it should really happen. Nicolas is working with dale to have a better back end than the save as image that was originally planned. > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

Aug. 7, 2011

[Pharo-project] Growl in Pharo

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi I was brainstorming for an example to illustrate announcements and I wanted to have a Growl feature. So I looked at Snarl from Tony Garnock-Jones and I redesigned a simpler Morph. It could be more generic with better default handled default. I do not understand why the color of the text is ignored but I can not want to spend more time on it now. Apparently the first time the text is read and when the background or the color of the border are set the blue get propagated. :( GrowlMorph openWithLabel: 'The time' contents: (TimeStamp now)) If somebody would like to glue together Growl and the available announcements it would be fun to check. Gofer new squeaksource: 'Growl'; package: 'Growl'; load GrowlMorph openWithLabel: 'The time' contents: (TimeStamp now) Stef Something changed between 14042 and 14077 because I do not have the same alpha for the handle but I do not have the time to check. I do not understand why round corners are not taken into account.

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeaksource is down :(

by Lukas Renggli

>> Please do not put unnecessary load on SqueakSource by running >> additional monitoring services. This does not help at all. > > Thanks for the info. I knew that there was a watchdog but not sure it was still running. > I hope that soon we will be able to let SS rest in peace after all the immense work it offers to us. We should run SqueakSource in read-only mode ASAP and shut-it down by the end of the month. Otherwise nothing will ever happen. Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeaksource is down :(

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 7, 2011, at 6:36 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Again and again, SqueakSource is already automatically monitored since > the very beginning (6+ years) and the maintainers are notified within > minutes by mail should it be not reachable anymore. > > Again and again, automatic restart is not possible with SqueakSource > because it requires manual intervention after startup to make sure the > model is properly loaded and consistent. People are not stupid. > > Please do not put unnecessary load on SqueakSource by running > additional monitoring services. This does not help at all. Thanks for the info. I knew that there was a watchdog but not sure it was still running. I hope that soon we will be able to let SS rest in peace after all the immense work it offers to us. > > Thank you. > Lukas > > On 7 August 2011 17:39, Johan Brichau <johan(a)inceptive.be> wrote: >> Just my 2 cents: >> >> install monit (http://mmonit.com/) and let monit restart the system when it's down >> >> it takes 5 minutes to setup and I can help (I have it running myself) >> >> Johan >> >> On 07 Aug 2011, at 17:07, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> would be cool. >>> Nicolas told me that he was working hard to get Smalltalkhub running well and he is right. >>> As soon as it will be available it will gets stressed :) >>> >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: >>> >>>> Guys, I can add SqueakSource (and other important sites) to my Nagios >>>> monitoring, so that you'll get email immediately when such site will be >>>> down. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Janko >>>> >>>> S, Jorge Ressia piÅ¡e: >>>>> It is working >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>>> Aida/Web >>>> Smalltalk Web Application Server >>>> http://www.aidaweb.si >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Squeaksource is down :(

by Lukas Renggli

Again and again, SqueakSource is already automatically monitored since the very beginning (6+ years) and the maintainers are notified within minutes by mail should it be not reachable anymore. Again and again, automatic restart is not possible with SqueakSource because it requires manual intervention after startup to make sure the model is properly loaded and consistent. People are not stupid. Please do not put unnecessary load on SqueakSource by running additional monitoring services. This does not help at all. Thank you. Lukas On 7 August 2011 17:39, Johan Brichau <johan(a)inceptive.be> wrote: > Just my 2 cents: > > install monit (http://mmonit.com/) and let monit restart the system when it's down > > it takes 5 minutes to setup and I can help (I have it running myself) > > Johan > > On 07 Aug 2011, at 17:07, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> would be cool. >> Nicolas told me that he was working hard to get Smalltalkhub running well and he is right. >> As soon as it will be available it will gets stressed :) >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: >> >>> Guys, I can add SqueakSource (and other important sites) to my Nagios >>> monitoring, so that you'll get email immediately when such site will be >>> down. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Janko >>> >>> S, Jorge Ressia piÅ¡e: >>>> It is working >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 4:45 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse >>>> <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>> Aida/Web >>> Smalltalk Web Application Server >>> http://www.aidaweb.si >>> >> >> > > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cleaning/completing ConfigurationOfPetitParser

by Lukas Renggli

> Shouldn't those be groups in the baseline, or symbolicVersions loading > subsets of packages ? Don't know :-) > Also, there are dependencies missing. For instance PetitSmalltalk > depends on AST-Core, and IMHO this is the responsibility of > ConfigurationOfPetitParser to declare that, even if PetitSmalltalk is > not loaded by a ConfigurationOfPetitParser load. Indeed, AST-Core is a dependency of PetitSmalltalk. Also Glamour is a dependency of PetitGUI. Both packages probably shouldn't be loaded by default. > Also, why are there less class methods than on other ConfigurationOf... ? Don't know, probably nobody bothered to update the configurations. Feel free to fix them :-) Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Thoughts about software refactoring

by Alexandre Bergel

Refactorings are indeed a cool thing, but I think many important refactorings are still missing. consider extracting a code into a setup or teardown method. Alexandre On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:42 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > What is cool with software refactoring is that we have tests, and even if we break it to death, them we can undo... > This morning I was trying to open wood boxes of my old bow window and this is another story. > No debugger, no test, no undo. Just think before, try to guess right and do it slowly to avoid to break for real. > > Stef > > >

Aug. 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14077

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ben nautilus loads a pretty old version of MC. So you should check that and avoid it. Stef On Aug 7, 2011, at 5:29 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > ok 14077 is safe :) > > When I load the latest nautilus in 14077, when I merge I get a red box. > Probably because of a call to tree morph item or something like that. > > I was doing a pass on the PharoRB configuration so that I can load it into pharo to move on for RPackage. > > Stef > > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:11 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> I will probably rollback these fixes and only integrate 4533 because I cannot merge anymore with 14077 while I thought I tested it before integrating it. :( >> And I will wait that camillo have a look. May be I merged something unrelated to 4598 and 4600. Since I cannot merge I do not know. >> >> Igor one of these days we should do something to get a debugger instead of this ugly red box. >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:42 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> >>> 14077 >>> ----- >>> >>> - Issue 4598: Improve MCBrowser search. Thanks Camillo. >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4598 >>> - Issue 4600: Add Search Morph >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4600. Thanks Camillo. >>> - Issue 4533: Transcript patch for the Kernel image >>> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4533. Thanks Pavel Krivanek >>> >> >> > >

Aug. 7, 2011