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Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.3: Transcript Ctrl+S broken

by Lukas Renggli

Ahh ok, I will rebuild my images then. I was using the ../unstable-core URL. Lukas On 9 August 2011 07:25, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > >> On 8 August 2011 23:34, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> Indeed it works also in 14078 >> >> Ahh ok, thanks. I thought I was using the latest image, but it seems >> that I am using 13291. Aside, how do I get the latest 1.3 image? >> > -> "load updates" in core. > -> or from the build server: > Â Â Â Â https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.3/ > Â Â Â Â https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%20Core%201.3/ > > The gforge one is updated only every couple of updates. > > I will do that as soon as I Â know which VMs we will use for 1.3 (because I might need to re-do images as I always > forget that I use cog and the saved images are not compatible to old VMs that some people seem to need). > > Â Â Â Â Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de > > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 9, 2011

[Pharo-project] Shout in Pharo 1.3

by Lukas Renggli

Does anybody has a version of Shout that correctly works in the traditional tools in Pharo 1.3? I tried various versions of Shout, but could not find one that worked correctly in the traditional tools. The problem I see is that Shout is not properly setup/updated anymore, i.e. it does not callback to the model (#shoutAboutToStyle:). When the browser/debugger changes the method/definition/comment highlighting is not enabled/disabled and the context is not changed. Does anybody have a working version of Shout and/or knows how to easily make it work? It works in OB because I subclassed 3 editor classes and undone the "new" way of how highlighting works. I thought I bring this up again, because as far as I see there is still the same problem ... Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.3: Transcript Ctrl+S broken

by Marcus Denker

On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > On 8 August 2011 23:34, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Indeed it works also in 14078 > > Ahh ok, thanks. I thought I was using the latest image, but it seems > that I am using 13291. Aside, how do I get the latest 1.3 image? > -> "load updates" in core. -> or from the build server: https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%201.3/ https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo/job/Pharo%20Core%201.3/ The gforge one is updated only every couple of updates. I will do that as soon as I know which VMs we will use for 1.3 (because I might need to re-do images as I always forget that I use cog and the saved images are not compatible to old VMs that some people seem to need). Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.3: Transcript Ctrl+S broken

by Lukas Renggli

On 8 August 2011 23:34, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Indeed it works also in 14078 Ahh ok, thanks. I thought I was using the latest image, but it seems that I am using 13291. Aside, how do I get the latest 1.3 image? > I would prefer to have Action-C (for clear) than S because I could have never guess it (since it makes me think about save). $c is likely already occupied for copying. Lukas > Stef > > On Aug 8, 2011, at 10:45 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> Lukas, which version are you using? I am in Pharo1.3 >> Latest update: #13293 >> >> and I cannot reproduce it >> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Thanks we will add that in the bug tracker later. >> >> The debugger got shaked because of my idea to change for a better implementation. Sorry about that. >> >> Stef >> >> On Aug 8, 2011, at 9:56 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> >> > Another problem I just noticed right now is that pressing Ctrl+S in >> > the Transcript opens a debugger: >> > >> > Â SubscriptOutOfBounds: 0 >> > >> > Ctrl+S used to clear the transcript, what I found quite useful in the past. >> > >> > Again, I am reporting this here to not forget, because the bug tracker >> > is currently in read-only mode. >> > >> > Lukas >> > >> > -- >> > Lukas Renggli >> > www.lukas-renggli.ch >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> > > > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] GUI failing apart

by Igor Stasenko

One thing about UI is that nobody dares to enter this area. Because its scares the shit out of most of people, once they take a look at code and realizing how much things they need to learn about it to at least do not do any harm, not saying about making a small improvement. Because you can easily get lost in this maze of code (especially when some code paths lead to limbo/nowhere). So, if you take the above into account, it says more than enough about Benjamin :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Recursive calls hang image

by Sean P. DeNigris

Igor Stasenko wrote: > > Today i using only cog family VMs build on our servers. > Because if i would use old ones, i will never know if things that we > developing are working well. > Ahh, okay. It seems I'm now only waiting on OSProcess to be fixed before I switch too. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Recursive-calls-hang-image-tp3728055p3728788.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Recursive calls hang image

by Igor Stasenko

On 9 August 2011 03:18, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> Well, it works for me, if i press it multiple times :) >> > > Which VM? I pressed a bunch of times with Mac 4.2.5beta VM with no effect > (OS X 10.7). > Today i using only cog family VMs build on our servers. Because if i would use old ones, i will never know if things that we developing are working well. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Recursive-calls-hang-image-tp3728055p3728753.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] audio and pharo

by Brad Fuller

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:40, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> That's unfortunate. :-( Ok. thanks for the reply. > > yes but if nobody helps we cannot do everything. > What are you looking for? (I created a msg, but it went to the bit bucket some how.... See if I can remember what I wrote) There are various native packages - MIDI, FM, wav, piano roll music player, etc. and external ones like Siren, mu0, but I'm looking for interactivity. If Squeak/Pharo had tools to create audio content where the composer could build interactive music, or the sound designer was able to adjust audio parameters dynamically, it would allow content designers - or even product designers - a way to build audio richness into their products. Let's take a vehicle, like a car, as an example. Usually, not always, but usually sound designers will record various samples of an car engine at different engine RPM settings and at different engine LOADS. At playback, these files will be crossfaded to build a coherent engine sound. In a simplistic set up, the pitch of the first sample will be shifted until it reaches the crossfade area of the next sample... and on it goes up to the highest RPM. In this way, a full engine sound can be created by just changing the pitch (the reason for the crossfade is that a sample can only be pitch shifted so far and beyond that will sound artificial.) To make it more realistic, another variable, LOAD, is added which allows crossfading between two samples, at the same RPM, to allow timbre to change -- simulating engine load Ok, too much information. But, you get the idea. Having a tool to build this interactivity (it doesn't have to be as synthetic as the example) and then using the resulting assets to be added to a product (hmmm, like the EToys car demo) would allow interactivity.. more than just selecting a sound to play, which is what we have now. For an example, see FMOD Designer (http://www.fmod.org/index.php/products/designer) Free to download/use. Something like this, with an accompanying engine, could probably be easily built in Squeak or Pharo. b > >> >> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 00:51, Henrik Johansen >> <henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: >>> >>> On Aug 8, 2011, at 3:00 49AM, Brad Fuller wrote: >>> >>>> Has pharo improved/added any audio related classes since the fork? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> brad >>>> >>> >>> Improved, no. >>> Kept what you'd find in Sound-* in Squeak up to date? Sort of. >>> Though there were problems with loading it in 1.2/1.3 I'm not sure was resolved correctly, you can find the code in PharoSound repository on Squeaksource. >>> >>> As for improvements, you could check out http://forum.world.st/ANN-SqueakMovieMorph-Alpha-plays-any-video-file-playa… >>> (make sure to use a VM including the plugin) >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Henry >>> >> > > >

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Recursive calls hang image

by Sean P. DeNigris

Igor Stasenko wrote: > > Well, it works for me, if i press it multiple times :) > Which VM? I pressed a bunch of times with Mac 4.2.5beta VM with no effect (OS X 10.7). -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Recursive-calls-hang-image-tp3728055p3728753.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 9, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Recursive calls hang image

by Sean P. DeNigris

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > I like the idea. It provides a solution not depending on the scheduler > strategy. > We should implement it :) > Issue 4608: [ENH]: More robust user interrupt (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4608) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Recursive-calls-hang-image-tp3728055p3728714.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Aug. 9, 2011