July 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO 1.3] Last items to be done this week...

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Hi esteban would it help you if we ask everybody to use the cocoaVM? It will stress you but we will find bugs. For the UI glitch I have it too with 5.7.4 Stef On Jul 4, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > yes... I'm aware of the graphics problem, but I still don't know what is causing it (it not happens with pharo 1.2 or squeak, so I think is a combination of "something" in vm side -cocoa version, that "something" in pharo changes brought to front). I will work on that some time this week :) > > In the near future, the only version of cog vm should be cocoa version, but there are still some remaining issues who prevents ppl to adopt it (not very big issues, and there are a lot less issues now, but still some remain). I think one of the main reasons is that both Eliot and Igor are working on the carbon version, not the cocoa one (for historical reasons: cocao version didn't exist when Eliot started working on Cog). I would love to join those efforts and drop carbon version (which is legacy), but I don't think it will happen any time soon, sadly :( > > This are the issues preventing people to adopt cocoa version (at least those I can see now): > > 1) Not enough plugins. This is SOLVED, currently, hudson builds came with almost all the plugins provided for old carbon versions (4.2.x) > 2) No MacMenusPlugin. Still there. Not a big issue, as we can live without them, but it will be nice :) > 3) This annoying graphics problem... I hope to solve it soon. > 4) I didn't release a 6.0 stable version (because of the graphics problem, now) :) > > cheers, > Esteban > > > El 04/07/2011, a las 5:13p.m., Eliot Miranda escribiÃ³: > >> >> >> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 4, 2011, at 10:02 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: >> >> > >> > On 2011-07-04, at 21:34, Marcus Denker wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> On Jul 4, 2011, at 9:25 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: >> >> >> >>> >> >>> On Jul 4, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> The tests also hang with the Inria build of Cog. >> >>>> >> >>> I just did run all the tests and it did not hang... >> >>> >> >>> Very strange. >> >>> >> >>> (Of course there are *two* Cog Vms for Mac... and I use the other one) >> >>> >> >> >> >> I managed to reproduce the graphics bug. >> >> >> >> It only happens with the Cocoa VM. >> >> >> >> I have personally not used the cocoa branch the last months... (mostly out of confusion...) >> >> >> >> Dumb question: am I the only person who can not remember which is which? >> >> Carbon / Cocoa? I try HAAARD, and in 30 min I have forgotten... can't we >> >> call it "old" vs "new"? Or "stable" vs. "unstable"? >> >> >> >> Marcus >> > >> > its simply C (Carbon = old) vs Objective-C (Cocoa = new) :) >> >> Now my brain can not retain this information. What do I do? >> >> You can't make cocoa (a complex of many different organic chemicals) without carbon, therefore Carbon came before Cocoa ;) >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de >> INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> best, >> Eliot >> >

July 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] Understanding announcements

by Norbert Hartl

It's been some time since I last used announcements. I had the impression that one of the benefits of announcements is that every object can play the role of an announcment. So I would expect the following to work | ann | ann := Announcer new. ann subscribe: Object do: [ Transcript show: 'received object announcement' ]. ann announce: Object new asAnnouncement As this is not working I wonder what is a good approach to wire my own model with announcements. Deriving my model from Announcement is not an option. And I'm a little bit reluctant to create yet another hierarchy of Announcement class just for the purpose of signalling them. The classes I like to announce are commands anyway so they are already suited for transmission. So what are the options? Override Object>>#handles: ? thanks, Norbert

July 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] About Cocoa VMs

by Igor Stasenko

Hello everyone. I'd like to ask you to try and use the recent VMs built by Esteban. We all understand that it may not fully functional and could have some issues. But the point is, that the only way to discover glitches is to try it. Because if we wait till Esteban deliver perfect VM, it may never happen. Without people who testing it and providing feedback, it will simply won't work. So, Mac owners, lets help Esteban to bring us new shiny toy and try using newly built VMs and give feedback. The VMs i am talking about is located here: - Cog JIT https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ - Stack VM (no JIT) https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/ For issues, you can use cog issue tracker (http://code.google.com/p/cog/issues/list) or vm-dev mailing list. Lets not wait, but help in a form, which we can. After all, that's the only way to ensure that in future we will have good VM. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14032

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

14032 ----- - Issue 4411: examples in Number comments. Thanks Nicolas Cellier and Camillo Bruni. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4411 - Issue 4414: test for Number. Thanks Nicolas Cellier and Camillo Bruni. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4414 Stef and Sven

July 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.2.1 crashing

by Bernat Romagosa

Sure, I've changed my VM for the stack one, I'll report if the image crashes again. Thanks :) Cheers, 2011/7/8 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> > Could you try running your stuff on Stack VM: > > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Stack%20VM%20Unix/lastS… > > from log i see that it crashing somewhere in your code.. > So i don't have any idea what could be wrong there now. > > On 8 July 2011 12:51, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi list, > > My Pharo image is crashing every now and then and I can't seem to work > out > > why, here's my specs: > > 'Pharo1.2.1 > > Croquet Closure Cog VM [CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-eem.75] > > unix i686 linux-gnu' > > I also attach the console dump. > > Could it be a VM bug or something? > > Cheers, > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. > > -- Bernat Romagosa.

July 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo 1.2.1 crashing

by Igor Stasenko

Could you try running your stuff on Stack VM: https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Stack%20VM%20Unix/lastS… from log i see that it crashing somewhere in your code.. So i don't have any idea what could be wrong there now. On 8 July 2011 12:51, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi list, > My Pharo image is crashing every now and then and I can't seem to work out > why, here's my specs: > 'Pharo1.2.1 > Croquet Closure Cog VM [CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-eem.75] > unix i686 linux-gnu' > I also attach the console dump. > Could it be a VM bug or something? > Cheers, > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] Pharo 1.2.1 crashing

by Bernat Romagosa

Hi list, My Pharo image is crashing every now and then and I can't seem to work out why, here's my specs: 'Pharo1.2.1 Croquet Closure Cog VM [CoInterpreter VMMaker.oscog-eem.75] unix i686 linux-gnu' I also attach the console dump. Could it be a VM bug or something? Cheers, -- Bernat Romagosa.

July 8, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14029

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

14029 ----- Issue 4506: Revert to old Transcript http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4506 Stef

July 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO 1.3] Last items to be done this week...

by Igor Stasenko

On 4 July 2011 22:52, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > yes... I'm aware of the graphics problem, but I still don't know what is > causing it (it not happens with pharo 1.2 or squeak, so I think is a > combination of "something" in vm side -cocoa version, that "something" in > pharo changes brought to front). I will work on that some time this week :) > In the near future, the only version of cog vm should be cocoa version, but > there are still some remaining issues who prevents ppl to adopt it (not very > big issues, and there are a lot less issues now, but still some remain). I > think one of the main reasons is that both Eliot and Igor are working on the > carbon version, not the cocoa one (for historical reasons: cocao version > didn't exist when Eliot started working on Cog). I would love to join those > efforts and drop carbon version (which is legacy), but I don't think it will > happen any time soon, sadly :( I can discontinue supporting Carbon VMs at any moment you say. And i will start using Cocoa VMs on my machine, like that , you will have 1 more tester. It is bad when you have no testers, because it makes discovery of bugs and glitches much slower :) > This are the issues preventing people to adopt cocoa version (at least those > I can see now): > 1) Not enough plugins. This is SOLVED, currently, hudson builds came with > almost all the plugins provided for old carbon versions (4.2.x) > 2) No MacMenusPlugin. Still there. Not a big issue, as we can live without > them, but it will be nice :) > 3) This annoying graphics problem... I hope to solve it soon. > 4) I didn't release a 6.0 stable version (because of the graphics problem, > now) :) so, comparing to the amount of work to port from Carbon -> Cocoa started by John and continued by you, the above list are really small. Keep us posted! > cheers, > Esteban > > El 04/07/2011, a las 5:13p.m., Eliot Miranda escribiÃ³: > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 8, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [TODO 1.3] Last items to be done this week...

by Luc Fabresse

2011/7/4 Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> > Squeak 5.8b10-1, but I have the same on the latest build of Eliot. > > Hi Lukas, > FinderUI openPackageChooser throws an error, the only example of the > otherwise unused DialogItemsChooser package. > This has been reported in: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4501 But I cannot reproduce. If I launch the Finder and then click on the "choose packages", it seems to work now. Could you test please? Thanks, Luc > > On 4 July 2011 21:05, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > On Jul 4, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > > > >> Also there are strange redraw problems when opening the image: First > >> the window is blank, then after the first click multiple fragments of > >> the Pharo logo and open windows get drawn. > > > > I have never seen that. > > > > Which VM are you using? > > > > With Cog (Hudson Build) I was able to run all tests. Some fail and I get > a strange assertion error, but > > it does not freeze. > > > > We *really* need to standardize on one VM... > > > > > > -- > > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > > > > > > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > >

July 8, 2011