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Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] 1.4 update is broken do not use it

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> so now updating from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip > > Is this a core or a full image? If core (which one can use to update further) shouldnt this be reflected in the ZIP's name? In 1.4, there is only one image. This simplifies everything.... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM

by Bernat Romagosa

Couldn't we talk with the Scratch team and see if we can re-license it? 2011/7/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > or you should ask a dual licensing. I'm curious to see if this code will > flow into squeak. > > Stef > > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > Sure, I attach it here. > > > > It looks like a standard MIT license with just these extra conditions > added. > > > > 2011/7/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > > Yet another license syndrom. > > > > The Scratch source code license allows you to distribute derivative works > based on the Scratch source code for non-commercial uses subject to the > following restrictions: > > â¢ you cannot use the word "Scratch" to refer to derivative works > (except in the phrase "Based on Scratch from the MIT Media Laboratory"), > > â¢ you cannot use the Scratch logo or the official (copyrighted) > Scratch cat in derivative works, > > â¢ you cannot implement the ability to upload projects to any MIT > Scratch website (currently, http://scratch.mit.edu) > > â¢ copies or derivative works must retain the Scratch copyright > notice and license, and > > â¢ you must make the source code for derivative works available. > > This is just a summary; the full license is in the file "license.txt" > included in the source code download package. > > The purpose of these restrictions is to avoid confusion in the Scratch > user community between the official version of Scratch (supported by the > Lifelong Kindergarten group) and experimental variations. We are happy the > share our source code, but we want to protect the Scratch brand and our user > community. > > We hope you will appreciate the reasons for these restrictions. > > > > > > > > I do not want to see code from scratch in Pharo. Bernat do you have the > license.txt somewhere? > > > > Stef > > > > > > > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > > > Oops sorry, I accidentally sent it twice. > > > > > > The license should be MIT, check out the "The Scratch Source Code > License" section: http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code > > > > > > Although they don't specifically state what's the license for the > Camera Plugin, I guess it just applies by extension since it belongs to the > project and the whole project is MIT. > > > > > > If we are to include it in Pharo I suppose we should check it > thoroughly... > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > 2011/7/29 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > > > Hi Torsten, > > > > > > The plugin works out of the box for me in a Cog machine with no > problems, just follow these instructions: > > > > > > * Get Scratch's CameraPlugin (you can get them here > http://code.google.com/p/scat/downloads/list) > > > * Depending on your OS, place it in: > > > GNU/Linux and Win32 â The Pharo root directory. That is, where the > .sh and .lnk files are. > > > MacOSX â The image path. > > > * FileIn the three .st files I attach (they originally came from the > Scratch source, but were modified by us to get them working in Pharo) > > > * DoIt: ScratchCameraDialog new openCamera; openInWorld > > > > > > Of course, you don't need the ScratchCameraDialog class, but it's nice > to have it as it's a pretty simple working example. I'm not sure whether you > need CameraMedia either, didn't have time to check... > > > > > > Hope it helps! > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > 2011/7/29 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> > > > Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > > In Scat we've managed, maybe after lunch i can give you some > directions > > > > to get it running. > > > > > > Yes, I managed to make it work last year, just with the > > > *.cs and the Win32 DLL from scratch. > > > > > > However feel free to post a short guide for the recent Pharo > > > image to the list so others can profit from it. > > > > > > > > > My post was more oriented towards the VM developers > > > since AFAIK there was a discussion of integrating > > > the plugin back into Squeak VM sources so it is > > > available in general to Squeak/Etoys/forks. > > > > > > As Bert wrote: > > > > > > "but the Scratch folks are interested in having their > > > plugins in the main Squeak VM, so they do not have to > > > package and maintain them themselves for ever." > > > > > > Would be nice if one would be able to use the cam > > > out of the box with a recent VM (standard and cog) and Pharo. > > > > > > Thx > > > Torsten > > > -- > > > NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurÃ¼ck-Garantie! > > > Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > <License.txt> > > > -- Bernat Romagosa.

July 29, 2011

[Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] 1.4 update is broken do not use it

by Torsten Bergmann

>so now updating from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip Is this a core or a full image? If core (which one can use to update further) shouldnt this be reflected in the ZIP's name? Thx T. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] 1.4 update is broken do not use it

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Ok we fixed it so now updating from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip or the 14025 is working. Pay attention that if you update from a version in between 25 to 65 you will miss all the updates. Stef > Hi guys > > apparently (I suspect some changes we did with Sven I will check), the updates mechanism only download the latest of the issues > and skips all the ones in between. So if you want to use 1.4 use for now https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip > > stef

July 29, 2011

[Pharo-project] ConfigurationOf### in PharoKernel 1.4

by Adrien BARREAU

Hi all, I'm triying to load some code (Coral) in the Pharo Kernel 1.4 image. Marcus told me to use the image with Gofer and Network. I suceeded to load the ConfigurationOfCoral package, but I can not load it. I tried to load another ConfigurationOf### and the result is the same, it raises an error on "ensureMetacello" method. Here is the error: 'retry with alternate repository failed: ''SubscriptOutOfBounds: 1''. I don't know what I can do about it. I tried to load Coral in the PharoKernel 1.4 Reload image, and the result is the same. Of course, on a Pharo 1.4 image, it works. Adrien.

July 29, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14066

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

14066 ----- - reverting old method newUpdates for now. Now looking for the bug in the previous code. Stef

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

or you should ask a dual licensing. I'm curious to see if this code will flow into squeak. Stef On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > Sure, I attach it here. > > It looks like a standard MIT license with just these extra conditions added. > > 2011/7/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Yet another license syndrom. > > The Scratch source code license allows you to distribute derivative works based on the Scratch source code for non-commercial uses subject to the following restrictions: > â¢ you cannot use the word "Scratch" to refer to derivative works (except in the phrase "Based on Scratch from the MIT Media Laboratory"), > â¢ you cannot use the Scratch logo or the official (copyrighted) Scratch cat in derivative works, > â¢ you cannot implement the ability to upload projects to any MIT Scratch website (currently, http://scratch.mit.edu) > â¢ copies or derivative works must retain the Scratch copyright notice and license, and > â¢ you must make the source code for derivative works available. > This is just a summary; the full license is in the file "license.txt" included in the source code download package. > The purpose of these restrictions is to avoid confusion in the Scratch user community between the official version of Scratch (supported by the Lifelong Kindergarten group) and experimental variations. We are happy the share our source code, but we want to protect the Scratch brand and our user community. > We hope you will appreciate the reasons for these restrictions. > > > > I do not want to see code from scratch in Pharo. Bernat do you have the license.txt somewhere? > > Stef > > > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > Oops sorry, I accidentally sent it twice. > > > > The license should be MIT, check out the "The Scratch Source Code License" section: http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code > > > > Although they don't specifically state what's the license for the Camera Plugin, I guess it just applies by extension since it belongs to the project and the whole project is MIT. > > > > If we are to include it in Pharo I suppose we should check it thoroughly... > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > > Hi Torsten, > > > > The plugin works out of the box for me in a Cog machine with no problems, just follow these instructions: > > > > * Get Scratch's CameraPlugin (you can get them here http://code.google.com/p/scat/downloads/list) > > * Depending on your OS, place it in: > > GNU/Linux and Win32 â The Pharo root directory. That is, where the .sh and .lnk files are. > > MacOSX â The image path. > > * FileIn the three .st files I attach (they originally came from the Scratch source, but were modified by us to get them working in Pharo) > > * DoIt: ScratchCameraDialog new openCamera; openInWorld > > > > Of course, you don't need the ScratchCameraDialog class, but it's nice to have it as it's a pretty simple working example. I'm not sure whether you need CameraMedia either, didn't have time to check... > > > > Hope it helps! > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> > > Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > In Scat we've managed, maybe after lunch i can give you some directions > > > to get it running. > > > > Yes, I managed to make it work last year, just with the > > *.cs and the Win32 DLL from scratch. > > > > However feel free to post a short guide for the recent Pharo > > image to the list so others can profit from it. > > > > > > My post was more oriented towards the VM developers > > since AFAIK there was a discussion of integrating > > the plugin back into Squeak VM sources so it is > > available in general to Squeak/Etoys/forks. > > > > As Bert wrote: > > > > "but the Scratch folks are interested in having their > > plugins in the main Squeak VM, so they do not have to > > package and maintain them themselves for ever." > > > > Would be nice if one would be able to use the cam > > out of the box with a recent VM (standard and cog) and Pharo. > > > > Thx > > Torsten > > -- > > NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurÃ¼ck-Garantie! > > Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > <License.txt>

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

so this is not MIT so code should not get in Pharo. We do not want a mille-feuilles of pseudo compatible licenses. When we see the mess with the squeak-L license. It should not happen again. Better rewrite the code this is cheaper. Stef > Sure, I attach it here. > > It looks like a standard MIT license with just these extra conditions added. > > 2011/7/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Yet another license syndrom. > > The Scratch source code license allows you to distribute derivative works based on the Scratch source code for non-commercial uses subject to the following restrictions: > â¢ you cannot use the word "Scratch" to refer to derivative works (except in the phrase "Based on Scratch from the MIT Media Laboratory"), > â¢ you cannot use the Scratch logo or the official (copyrighted) Scratch cat in derivative works, > â¢ you cannot implement the ability to upload projects to any MIT Scratch website (currently, http://scratch.mit.edu) > â¢ copies or derivative works must retain the Scratch copyright notice and license, and > â¢ you must make the source code for derivative works available. > This is just a summary; the full license is in the file "license.txt" included in the source code download package. > The purpose of these restrictions is to avoid confusion in the Scratch user community between the official version of Scratch (supported by the Lifelong Kindergarten group) and experimental variations. We are happy the share our source code, but we want to protect the Scratch brand and our user community. > We hope you will appreciate the reasons for these restrictions. > > > > I do not want to see code from scratch in Pharo. Bernat do you have the license.txt somewhere? > > Stef > > > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > Oops sorry, I accidentally sent it twice. > > > > The license should be MIT, check out the "The Scratch Source Code License" section: http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code > > > > Although they don't specifically state what's the license for the Camera Plugin, I guess it just applies by extension since it belongs to the project and the whole project is MIT. > > > > If we are to include it in Pharo I suppose we should check it thoroughly... > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > > Hi Torsten, > > > > The plugin works out of the box for me in a Cog machine with no problems, just follow these instructions: > > > > * Get Scratch's CameraPlugin (you can get them here http://code.google.com/p/scat/downloads/list) > > * Depending on your OS, place it in: > > GNU/Linux and Win32 â The Pharo root directory. That is, where the .sh and .lnk files are. > > MacOSX â The image path. > > * FileIn the three .st files I attach (they originally came from the Scratch source, but were modified by us to get them working in Pharo) > > * DoIt: ScratchCameraDialog new openCamera; openInWorld > > > > Of course, you don't need the ScratchCameraDialog class, but it's nice to have it as it's a pretty simple working example. I'm not sure whether you need CameraMedia either, didn't have time to check... > > > > Hope it helps! > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> > > Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > In Scat we've managed, maybe after lunch i can give you some directions > > > to get it running. > > > > Yes, I managed to make it work last year, just with the > > *.cs and the Win32 DLL from scratch. > > > > However feel free to post a short guide for the recent Pharo > > image to the list so others can profit from it. > > > > > > My post was more oriented towards the VM developers > > since AFAIK there was a discussion of integrating > > the plugin back into Squeak VM sources so it is > > available in general to Squeak/Etoys/forks. > > > > As Bert wrote: > > > > "but the Scratch folks are interested in having their > > plugins in the main Squeak VM, so they do not have to > > package and maintain them themselves for ever." > > > > Would be nice if one would be able to use the cam > > out of the box with a recent VM (standard and cog) and Pharo. > > > > Thx > > Torsten > > -- > > NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurÃ¼ck-Garantie! > > Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > <License.txt>

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] pre-build 1.4#14065

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

this was the code before newUpdates "Return a list of fully formed URLs of update files we do not yet have up to the upToNumber instance variable if set." "self new newUpdates" | existing out list doc raw char | out := OrderedCollection new. existing := SystemVersion current updates. doc := HTTPClient httpGet: self updateListFileURLString. doc class == RWBinaryOrTextStream ifTrue: [raw := doc reset; contents. "one file name per line" list := self extractVersion: SystemVersion current version from: raw. list reverseDo: [:fileName | | itsNumber | itsNumber := fileName initialIntegerOrNil. (existing includes: itsNumber) ifFalse: [ (itsNumber isNil or: [itsNumber <= self upToNumber]) ifTrue: [out addFirst: self updateFolderURL, fileName]] ifTrue: [^ out]]. ((out size > 0) or: [char := doc reset; skipSeparators; next. (char == $*) | (char == $#)]) ifTrue: [^ out "we have our list"]]. self feedback: 'All code update servers seem to be unavailable'. ^ out and using Zinc newUpdates "Return a list of fully formed URLs of update files we do not yet have up to the upToNumber instance variable if set." "self new newUpdates" | existing out list result doc raw char | out := OrderedCollection new. existing := SystemVersion current updates. (result := ZnClient get: self updateListFileURLString) isSuccess ifFalse: [ self error: 'Cannot access update server' ]. "one file name per line" list := self extractVersion: SystemVersion current version from: result contents. list reverseDo: [:fileName | | itsNumber | itsNumber := fileName initialIntegerOrNil. (existing includes: itsNumber) ifFalse: [ (itsNumber isNil or: [itsNumber <= self upToNumber]) ifTrue: [out addFirst: self updateFolderURL, fileName]] ifTrue: [^ out]. ((out size > 0) or: [char := doc reset; skipSeparators; next. (char == $*) | (char == $#)]) ifTrue: [^ out "we have our list"]]. self feedback: 'All code update servers seem to be unavailable'. ^ out

July 29, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM

by Marcus Denker

On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > Sure, I attach it here. > > It looks like a standard MIT license with just these extra conditions added. > And with 5. The source code for any Derivative Work based on this software shall be made readily available to the public, ideally on a public web site, free of charge. The MIT license is known for exactly not requiring this. > 2011/7/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Yet another license syndrom. > > The Scratch source code license allows you to distribute derivative works based on the Scratch source code for non-commercial uses subject to the following restrictions: > â¢ you cannot use the word "Scratch" to refer to derivative works (except in the phrase "Based on Scratch from the MIT Media Laboratory"), > â¢ you cannot use the Scratch logo or the official (copyrighted) Scratch cat in derivative works, > â¢ you cannot implement the ability to upload projects to any MIT Scratch website (currently, http://scratch.mit.edu) > â¢ copies or derivative works must retain the Scratch copyright notice and license, and > â¢ you must make the source code for derivative works available. > This is just a summary; the full license is in the file "license.txt" included in the source code download package. > The purpose of these restrictions is to avoid confusion in the Scratch user community between the official version of Scratch (supported by the Lifelong Kindergarten group) and experimental variations. We are happy the share our source code, but we want to protect the Scratch brand and our user community. > We hope you will appreciate the reasons for these restrictions. > > > > I do not want to see code from scratch in Pharo. Bernat do you have the license.txt somewhere? > > Stef > > > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > Oops sorry, I accidentally sent it twice. > > > > The license should be MIT, check out the "The Scratch Source Code License" section: http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code > > > > Although they don't specifically state what's the license for the Camera Plugin, I guess it just applies by extension since it belongs to the project and the whole project is MIT. > > > > If we are to include it in Pharo I suppose we should check it thoroughly... > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > > Hi Torsten, > > > > The plugin works out of the box for me in a Cog machine with no problems, just follow these instructions: > > > > * Get Scratch's CameraPlugin (you can get them here http://code.google.com/p/scat/downloads/list) > > * Depending on your OS, place it in: > > GNU/Linux and Win32 â The Pharo root directory. That is, where the .sh and .lnk files are. > > MacOSX â The image path. > > * FileIn the three .st files I attach (they originally came from the Scratch source, but were modified by us to get them working in Pharo) > > * DoIt: ScratchCameraDialog new openCamera; openInWorld > > > > Of course, you don't need the ScratchCameraDialog class, but it's nice to have it as it's a pretty simple working example. I'm not sure whether you need CameraMedia either, didn't have time to check... > > > > Hope it helps! > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> > > Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > In Scat we've managed, maybe after lunch i can give you some directions > > > to get it running. > > > > Yes, I managed to make it work last year, just with the > > *.cs and the Win32 DLL from scratch. > > > > However feel free to post a short guide for the recent Pharo > > image to the list so others can profit from it. > > > > > > My post was more oriented towards the VM developers > > since AFAIK there was a discussion of integrating > > the plugin back into Squeak VM sources so it is > > available in general to Squeak/Etoys/forks. > > > > As Bert wrote: > > > > "but the Scratch folks are interested in having their > > plugins in the main Squeak VM, so they do not have to > > package and maintain them themselves for ever." > > > > Would be nice if one would be able to use the cam > > out of the box with a recent VM (standard and cog) and Pharo. > > > > Thx > > Torsten > > -- > > NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurÃ¼ck-Garantie! > > Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > <License.txt> -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

July 29, 2011