July 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Sean P. DeNigris

Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > Ok, first of all... Sean, your requests are not being ignored. > I know that! I have nothing but respect for the invaluable VM maintainers. I only keep mentioning it because the subject keeps coming up. Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > As soon as you asked for ObjectiveCPlugin, Quicktime and Applescript I > added them to the builds from hudson... > Thank you for doing that. Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > Please, I beg for some more of your patience, I know is hard to wait :) > Given that you are doing all this for free as a gift to our community, I'm satisfied waiting as long as it takes. If I haven't already by ESUG, maybe there I will learn more about VM compiling so I can help. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Downloading-1-4-tp3696454p3697249.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Esteban Lorenzano

El 26/07/2011, a las 7:48p.m., Sean P. DeNigris escribiÃ³: > > Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it >> working). >> > I can test it. Just point me to the VM. > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Cog/job/Cog-Mac-Cocoa/ > > Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> ObjectiveC are available only for Cocoa builds, not Carbon. >> > From a user's perspective, what's the difference between Cocoa/Carbon? well... first difference (from your point of view): carbon vm's doesn't have ObjectiveC Bridge support :P in other things, you really shouldn't note the difference (some minor changes, but not really important, I think). The reason of the migration is because OSX changed all the user interface and support APIs (from carbon to cocoa), but you all already know that... And as I said, you shouldn't note the difference, because that's part of the point on using a virtual machine, to hide machine complexities and differences :) cheers, Esteban

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Esteban Lorenzano

Hi, Ok, first of all... Sean, your requests are not being ignored. As soon as you asked for ObjectiveCPlugin, Quicktime and Applescript I added them to the builds from hudson. Then I retired Applescript plugin because it is an error on source code generation. After that, I updated my system to Lion and started fighting with some compilation problems (sdk 10.7 changed some things that made B3D plugin to stop compiling, for instance). So, I was hoping to find time this week to resume everything to work and to see why Applescript plugin is not being generated. Please, I beg for some more of your patience, I know is hard to wait :) Cheers, Esteban El 26/07/2011, a las 6:18p.m., Igor Stasenko escribiÃ³: > On 26 July 2011 22:26, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 26 July 2011 22:52, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >>> >>> Marcus Denker-4 wrote: >>>> >>>> https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/ >>>> >>> >>> That seems to be the stack VM that is missing the plugins, not the >>> interpreter VM, no? >>> >> You listed following plugins: >> ObjectiveC, Quicktime, or Applescript >> i will check them if they can be built. >> > Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it working) > ObjectiveC are available only for Cocoa builds, not Carbon. > > Applescript seems like quite dated one.. and should work without problems but > it produces error when generating sources. > It looks for AEDesc class, which is missing in my image. Any idea > where it can be found? > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Sean P. DeNigris

Igor Stasenko wrote: > > Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it > working). > I can test it. Just point me to the VM. Igor Stasenko wrote: > > ObjectiveC are available only for Cocoa builds, not Carbon. > >From a user's perspective, what's the difference between Cocoa/Carbon? Igor Stasenko wrote: > > It looks for AEDesc class, which is missing in my image. Any idea > where it can be found? > www.squeaksource.com/Applescript Thanks for looking into this so quickly! Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Downloading-1-4-tp3696454p3697225.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Igor Stasenko

On 26 July 2011 22:26, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 26 July 2011 22:52, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: >> >> Marcus Denker-4 wrote: >>> >>> https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/ >>> >> >> That seems to be the stack VM that is missing the plugins, not the >> interpreter VM, no? >> > You listed following plugins: > ObjectiveC, Quicktime, or Applescript > i will check them if they can be built. > Okay, so far, Quicktime builds ok (but i have no idea how to test if it working) ObjectiveC are available only for Cocoa builds, not Carbon. Applescript seems like quite dated one.. and should work without problems but it produces error when generating sources. It looks for AEDesc class, which is missing in my image. Any idea where it can be found? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Igor Stasenko

On 26 July 2011 22:52, Sean P. DeNigris <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: > > Marcus Denker-4 wrote: >> >> https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/ >> > > That seems to be the stack VM that is missing the plugins, not the > interpreter VM, no? > You listed following plugins: ObjectiveC, Quicktime, or Applescript i will check them if they can be built. > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Downloading-1-4-tp3696454p3696829.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Francois Stephany wrote: > Wouldn't make more sense to pick one or two VMs per platform and stick with them ? yes this is what we will do and they will be called pharo-vm probably and with traceability and tests to validate them. Do you imagine the hell it is for tracking bugs. :) > Frankly, who knows which VM to download for which image in production ? > > I don't know if i'm doing well but from time to time I pick the latest VM I find here: http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ and hope it will work on my dev machine. > > On production (http://wapict.be server) I stick with one Cog VM that seems to work well but I don't really know if it's supported or not.... We are working hard to change that :) Because we are working on setting up a company around moose so we feel concerned. >>> Is it really realistic to support 20 differents VMs? Who is going to test? >>> >> Jenkins. >> >> Today i finished setting up a first job which runs Pharo-1.4 tests for >> freshly built VM. >> So, very soon we can clearly tell, which VMs run what and how well >> they doing it :) >> >> >>> Marcus >>> >>> >

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We are all waiting for that. PS: This is fun to see that our expectations are always growing. We always want more. Imagine just six months ago there was no automated build, no traceability. So the process is normally this is like when you build infrastructure once your get streets you want light too and cops.... :) On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:25 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 26 July 2011 20:55, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: >> >>> >>> StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> >>>> https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/job/ >>>> >>> >>> Thanks. It doesn't seem to launch with the Mac Carbon 4.2.5 VM (the only one >>> with all the plugins built :( ), although it did launch with the Stack >>> 4.0.0. >>> >>> I created Issue 4553. >> >> >> Is it really realistic to support 20 differents VMs? Who is going to test? >> > Jenkins. > > Today i finished setting up a first job which runs Pharo-1.4 tests for > freshly built VM. > So, very soon we can clearly tell, which VMs run what and how well > they doing it :) > > >> Marcus >> >> >> -- >> Marcus Denker >> Do it together: http://taskfor.us >> > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Sean P. DeNigris

Marcus Denker-4 wrote: > > https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/job/StackVM-Mac-Carbon/ > That seems to be the stack VM that is missing the plugins, not the interpreter VM, no? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Downloading-1-4-tp3696454p3696829.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

July 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Downloading 1.4

by Francois Stephany

Wouldn't make more sense to pick one or two VMs per platform and stick with them ? Frankly, who knows which VM to download for which image in production ? I don't know if i'm doing well but from time to time I pick the latest VM I find here: http://www.mirandabanda.org/files/Cog/VM/ and hope it will work on my dev machine. On production (http://wapict.be server) I stick with one Cog VM that seems to work well but I don't really know if it's supported or not.... >> Is it really realistic to support 20 differents VMs? Who is going to test? >> > Jenkins. > > Today i finished setting up a first job which runs Pharo-1.4 tests for > freshly built VM. > So, very soon we can clearly tell, which VMs run what and how well > they doing it :) > > >> Marcus >> >>

July 26, 2011