May 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> Thanks to push Marcus. Yes! > > What I'm thinking about is that it's a lot of energy to fix stuff about things we don't know. I rarely succeed in fixing something new (but I learn a little more every day :). > > I tried to organize a Pharo sprint over internet / IRC for Pharo 1.2 but there was only Guillermo and me (cool indeed). But I continue to think it's a good way to fusion energy and more fun to fix stuff together (not alone). > > Fixing bugs is a good way to learn, but easier with other people. So can we have some virtual sprints over Skype or IRC ? yes this would be fun. I think that we should have more virtual meeting to talk about key actions.

May 13, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by laurent laffont

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > Hi, > > In the past, the build of the Full/Dev image was broken most of the time, > leading to bugs being discovered > late, bugs not fixed while everyone is using the system and getting bitten > by them... > > Now the Dev/Full image exactly is a such a thing that has no bottleneck: > it's just some load scripts > loading third party tools/libs. Just editing scripts and bug the > maintainers. Nothing else to do. > > So it should be fixed far faster and much easier than Core, as it can be > done in parallel? Right? Right? > Wrong. The only person doing anyting is Mariano... (and me, I fixed 1.2 > Full after is was broken an *astonishing* > 23 *days* !!!!) > > I personally think this really wants to tell us something, but that's just > me. > > So what we need is people who look at this list: > > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=2&q=milestone=1.3-DevImage > > And *fix* the issues. Fast. I can not. Really not. > > Thanks to push Marcus. What I'm thinking about is that it's a lot of energy to fix stuff about things we don't know. I rarely succeed in fixing something new (but I learn a little more every day :). I tried to organize a Pharo sprint over internet / IRC for Pharo 1.2 but there was only Guillermo and me (cool indeed). But I continue to think it's a good way to fusion energy and more fun to fix stuff together (not alone). Fixing bugs is a good way to learn, but easier with other people. So can we have some virtual sprints over Skype or IRC ? Laurent > Marcus > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > >

May 13, 2011

[Pharo-project] Help "migrating" from classic streams to XStreams

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi guys. We are developing Fuel with Martin Dias. Fuel is a binary serializer similar to Parcels. More info in http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/software/Fuel For the moment, we are using the "classic" streams we want to give it a try to XStreams. My knowledge on streams is very little, so if someone can give me a hint I would really appreciate it. What I want to do right now is an adaptor of XStreams to classic stream. I mean, I want to create custom subclasses of XTFileWriteStream and XTFileReadStream that implements the same API from classic streams that we use in Fuel. And the implementations of such methods will do just a "self something" where something is the way of doing that in XStreams. So, the following is the protocol we use in Fuel for streams, and what I would love to know is the associated way to do it it XStreams. The left is classic streams, and after the "->" it is XStreams: *Reading:* nextNumber: -> ?? nextPutAll: -> write: nextStringPut: -> ?? nextPut: -> put: nextNumber:put: -> ?? nextWordPut: -> ?? *Writing: * nextNumber: -> ?? next: -> read: nextString -> ?? next -> get nextWord -> ?? Thanks a lot in advance, -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 13, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We will soon integrate RBEngine, AST, into core so you will have less to maintain. Now for me, what is important is not the number of bugs but the ratio of new things/bugs and I think that it is pretty low when we take into account all the changes and improvements we did. Having a better textEditor is important. Now this is ok that you do not have time, we understand that too, I know what is to move, get a new job and be credible (I did that twice over the last 5 years) but then after we suffer that you start to complain after the release when we give 3 months of RC candidates. Stef On May 13, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Hi Stef, > >> uh? what are these bugs? > > From the top of my head these are all bugs that appeared in the past > weeks and that were not present in Pharo 1.1: > > - temps and method selector changes that disappear and that are not > logged in the changes file > - text formatting that vanishes from larger texts > - mouse selection that is broken > - various OB bugs, such as broken smart chars, scroll bar, tests, text > search, ... > >> I'm really surprised. I'm also surprised that you say that when you did not >> even tried to port your tools to 1.2 during the release candidate phase and that people >> tried and failed and you started to port your tool when 1.2 was released. >> You were undermining our process sadly. > > I was moving to a different place, starting with a new job, and > learning new things. > > I don't have the energy and interest to constantly run after the > latest releases. I want to use something stable to work with in the > little spare time I have, and not be constantly disturbed by new > problems that show up because something subtle changed. For me Pharo > 1.2.x will be the last version until something really compelling shows > up ... > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

May 13, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Helvetia... in Squeak

by Lukas Renggli

Btw, loading into PharoCore 1.1 works again. I pinned compatible OB/RB versions. Lukas On Thursday, 12 May 2011, Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 12 May 2011 17:47, Tudor Girba <tudor.girba(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I thought that Helvetia also works in Pharo 1.2.1. At least I saw that Bifrost is using it. Am I wrong? > > No, this is just RB and the AST-Compiler (RB to Pharo Compiler Bridge). > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

May 13, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by Lukas Renggli

Hi Stef, > uh? what are these bugs? >From the top of my head these are all bugs that appeared in the past weeks and that were not present in Pharo 1.1: - temps and method selector changes that disappear and that are not logged in the changes file - text formatting that vanishes from larger texts - mouse selection that is broken - various OB bugs, such as broken smart chars, scroll bar, tests, text search, ... > I'm really surprised. I'm also surprised that you say that when you did not > even tried to port your tools to 1.2 during the release candidate phase and that people > tried and failed and you started to port your tool when 1.2 was released. > You were undermining our process sadly. I was moving to a different place, starting with a new job, and learning new things. I don't have the energy and interest to constantly run after the latest releases. I want to use something stable to work with in the little spare time I have, and not be constantly disturbed by new problems that show up because something subtle changed. For me Pharo 1.2.x will be the last version until something really compelling shows up ... Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

May 13, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk and LibreOffice or OpenOffice

by Chris Cunningham

There's also the old OpenOffice Importer for Squeak 3.8 (dated 2005) at http://map.squeak.org/package/cf85bb75-1ff8-4da1-a82e-2e53aba05818/autovers… -Chris

May 13, 2011

[Pharo-project] Problem in OBCmdCreateCategory (and probably Rename...)

by Friedrich Dominicus

I'M not sure how to send patches and so we go. the execute implementation of the above class give an error while calling self categories sorted Set does not understand ordered is the message. Well I hacked it like this: execute | categories category before | categories := self categories asOrderedCollection sorted. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ category := OBCompletionRequest new assisted: true; collection: categories; prompt: 'Add Category'; signal. category isNil ifTrue: [ ^ self ]. before := requestor children at: requestor selection + 1 ifAbsent: [ nil ]. target organization addCategory: category before: (before isNil ifFalse: [ before name ]). self select: (target categoryNodeNamed: category) with: requestor announcer Probably bad as hell but "it works" Regards Friedrich

May 13, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.3-Core

by Alexandre Bergel

I updated Zinc-HTTP and Zinc-Tests from your server. Running the tests gives me: 151 run, 151 passes, 0 expected failures, 0 failures, 0 errors, 0 unexpected passes Really cool! Alexandre On 13 May 2011, at 09:39, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 13 May 2011, at 15:24, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > >> I use a core 13197. Running Zinc tests gives me: >> 146 run, 118 passes, 0 expected failures, 28 failures, 0 errors, 0 unexpected passes > > For all tests to pass, you need the very latest version (160) where the proxy is bypassed for localhost. > Also, make sure no other ZnServers are running (they would block the 1701 port needed by the tests). > > Sven > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 13, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] 1.3-Core

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 13 May 2011, at 15:12, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > First of all, thanks for caring about the problem I encounter. > Easy, just a hostname (proxy.dcc.uchile.cl) with a port (8000) > But actually, it would equally work without the proxy. I can connect to internet without the proxy. You help squash yet another bug, that is good! Sven

May 13, 2011