May 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] RMLL anyone?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

did you succeed to get a presence on a boot? On May 14, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > I will be there at Strasbourg from 9 to 14 of Jully - http://www.rmll.info > > Any Pharoer is joining? > > Hilaire > > -- > Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] redundancy

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 14 May 2011, at 11:55, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > S3 is just plain HTTP hosted data, so adding this to MC is already possible today, as a fallback like Lukas suggested. Well, there is one problem: listing a repository won't be compatible, that is OK for Gofer I think, but the MC GUI will have a problem with that. We could fix that with another MCFileBasedRepository subclass.

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] redundancy

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 14 May 2011, at 09:54, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Yes. > So how do we do that? > Dale can we use the ssgemstone you host? > > Stef > >> The problem is that the network operator is down... >> >> see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4218 >> >> We should really t hink hard about redundancy... >> > I think Amazon AWS S3, like Marcus suggested, is one way to go. What if we build a bot (a Smalltalk image running somewhere) that periodically (say every 5 or 10 minutes) checks a specific number of important/critical Monticello compatible repositories and then syncs and if necessary copies versions to a properly structured (public readonly) S3 namespace. S3 is just plain HTTP hosted data, so adding this to MC is already possible today, as a fallback like Lukas suggested. Amazon S3âs standard storage is: â¢ Backed with the Amazon S3 Service Level Agreement. â¢ Designed to provide 99.999999999% durability and 99.99% availability of objects over a given year. â¢ Designed to sustain the concurrent loss of data in two facilities. It costs some money, but not much (it is pay as you go). Sven PS: Yes, I known the following question ;-)

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] RMLL anyone?

by Hilaire Fernandes

As you know it is a very big event with a *lot* of conferences and presentations. Hilaire Le 14/05/2011 10:24, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > I will see. > So far they look quite unprofessional with me. > I got no reply from my seaside talk and the pharo talk was rejected. > > Stef > > On May 14, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> I will be there at Strasbourg from 9 to 14 of Jully - http://www.rmll.info >> >> Any Pharoer is joining? >> >> Hilaire >> >> -- >> Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire >> >> > > > -- Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

lukas another important point. Imagine that people would have tested their software during the RC phase then we would have spotted and fixed theses bugs (I do not take into account OB bug because we cannot maintain it). So at the end, if people do not use and tests then there is less chance to spot bugs and what can we do. To me this is like that and this is not a big issues. Now even with two full time engineers it would not change that much but we would have the same problem. Too many different scenario to explore. Now another really important point: we are not just maintaining a smalltalk but building an infrastructure for the next 10 years and we have limited amount of time (you know our job - this week I was 3 days in hiring meetings - important and now I accepted to be scientific head of our lab). So everybody is busy and working and I think that given these constraints we are doing a good job given that Pharo is not our only focus. We will soon apply systematically lint rules to pharo and will increase again the quality. Now if you want to join to build the next generation Smalltalk just join and have fun with us. I felt that you were pissed off but you should not get frustrated. We have 5 years to really do something really cool and we are doing. OPAL is moving again, the new package is going forward, igor is working on a new canvas to support zoomable interface, native boost, we will have a bootstrappable core, new network, files, new ClassBuilder, first class slots,..... Stef On May 13, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > Hi Stef, > >> uh? what are these bugs? > > From the top of my head these are all bugs that appeared in the past > weeks and that were not present in Pharo 1.1: > > - temps and method selector changes that disappear and that are not > logged in the changes file > - text formatting that vanishes from larger texts > - mouse selection that is broken > - various OB bugs, such as broken smart chars, scroll bar, tests, text > search, ... > >> I'm really surprised. I'm also surprised that you say that when you did not >> even tried to port your tools to 1.2 during the release candidate phase and that people >> tried and failed and you started to port your tool when 1.2 was released. >> You were undermining our process sadly. > > I was moving to a different place, starting with a new job, and > learning new things. > > I don't have the energy and interest to constantly run after the > latest releases. I want to use something stable to work with in the > little spare time I have, and not be constantly disturbed by new > problems that show up because something subtle changed. For me Pharo > 1.2.x will be the last version until something really compelling shows > up ... > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] RMLL anyone?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

I will see. So far they look quite unprofessional with me. I got no reply from my seaside talk and the pharo talk was rejected. Stef On May 14, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > I will be there at Strasbourg from 9 to 14 of Jully - http://www.rmll.info > > Any Pharoer is joining? > > Hilaire > > -- > Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire > >

May 14, 2011

[Pharo-project] RMLL anyone?

by Hilaire Fernandes

I will be there at Strasbourg from 9 to 14 of Jully - http://www.rmll.info Any Pharoer is joining? Hilaire -- Education 0.2 -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SSL/HTTPS - SecureSocketStream/SSLSessionforPharo/Squeak and other Smalltalk implementations

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

>> > > I accelerated raisedTo:modulo: a bit with a primitive > (http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7120) but that's not enough Nicolas do you know why it was not integrated? It is a good candidate to check the build system of the VM and their evolution. Igor (I gave the windows distribution) to the arnaud so I hope that soon we will get a new windows slave for jenkins. Stef

May 14, 2011

[Pharo-project] redundancy

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes. So how do we do that? Dale can we use the ssgemstone you host? Stef >> > The problem is that the network operator is down... > > see http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4218 > > We should really t hink hard about redundancy... >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] We are still small, don't worry

by Luc Fabresse

2011/5/14 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > Taking the latest PharoCore 1.3 and doing "ScriptLoader new > cleanUpForProduction" (mostly cleanUps and tests removal ) > > Gives me a 6.9 MB image. So we are quite good. really good! Tanks Mariano and others for the effort! #Luc > > > Cheers > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 14, 2011