May 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] How to manage removed classes, ScriptLoader and Undeclared ?

by Marcus Denker

On May 14, 2011, at 4:07 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Hi guys. It seems when a class is removed, and used by ScriptLoader, it goes to Undeclared, logically. > Example: SMxHandMorph was removed. However, ScriptLoader >> update13143 did something with such class. So, now, it is in Undeclared. > How can we correctly solve this kind of problem? > > 1) Always use "Smalltalk at:" and #perform: in ScriptLoader updates? > 2) remove those #update methods ? > 3) Fix the broken ones by Smalltalk at: a and #perform: ? > I just comment them, as the code in scriptloader is just for reference. -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Hilaire Fernandes

I added the BalloonMorph class>>initialize in the same ticket http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3694 Steph, can you recall me if the class initialize method is called automatically at start up or something like that or does it need to be called manually? Hilaire Le 14/05/2011 15:36, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > ok hiliare open a ticket and put an initialize. > > Stef > > On May 14, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> The balloon morph color and layout mess really give a bad bad feeling, >> >> I gave a look to try to fix it: >> >> >> * COLOR, it seems to be just an initialize issue, one should execute >> this in the image: >> >> BalloonMorph setBalloonColorTo: BalloonMorph defaultBalloonColor. >> >> >> * FONT, same problem, one should execute in the image : >> >> BalloonMorph balloonFont: StandardFonts defaultFont. >> >> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >> >> Moreover this method need to be refactored to be readable, it is too >> looooong. >> Jannick can you give a try, you seem to be the author? >> >> >> Hilaire >> >> > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Hilaire Fernandes

Right, I also saw that. I have added the need info and changeset in this report: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3694&q=balloon&colspec=ID%2… Hilaire Le 14/05/2011 15:58, Nicolas Cellier a Ã©crit : > Andreas fixed that not so long ago, and I thought I had posted a fix > for Pharo too > > Nicolas > > 2011/5/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: >> did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? >> >> Stef >> >> On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >> >>> Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >>>> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >>>> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >>> >>> Example of unexpected behavior: >>> >>> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre >>> dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 >>> >>> -> >>> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait >>> etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce >>> petit >>> texte' >>> >>> >> >> >> > >

May 14, 2011

[Pharo-project] How to manage removed classes, ScriptLoader and Undeclared ?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi guys. It seems when a class is removed, and used by ScriptLoader, it goes to Undeclared, logically. Example: SMxHandMorph was removed. However, ScriptLoader >> update13143 did something with such class. So, now, it is in Undeclared. How can we correctly solve this kind of problem? 1) Always use "Smalltalk at:" and #perform: in ScriptLoader updates? 2) remove those #update methods ? 3) Fix the broken ones by Smalltalk at: a and #perform: ? Thanks -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Nicolas Cellier

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2704 in Pharo 1.3 2011/5/14 Hilaire Fernandes <hilaire.fernandes(a)gmail.com>: > Not yet > > Hilaire > > Le 14/05/2011 15:56, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >> did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? >> >> Stef >> >> On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: >> >>> Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >>>> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >>>> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >>> >>> Example of unexpected behavior: >>> >>> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre >>> dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 >>> >>> -> >>> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait >>> etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce >>> petit >>> texte' >>> >>> >> >> >> > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Nicolas Cellier

Andreas fixed that not so long ago, and I thought I had posted a fix for Pharo too Nicolas 2011/5/14 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? > > Stef > > On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >>> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >>> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >> >> Example of unexpected behavior: >> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre >> dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 >> >> -> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait >> etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce >> petit >> texte' >> >> > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by Hilaire Fernandes

Not yet Hilaire Le 14/05/2011 15:56, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : > did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? > > Stef > > On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > >> Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >>> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >>> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. >> >> Example of unexpected behavior: >> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre >> dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 >> >> -> >> 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait >> etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce >> petit >> texte' >> >> > > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

now available online at: http://pharo.gforge.inria.fr/PBE1/PBE1.html Stef

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Here's a first shot of PBE1 in html > http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/PBE1_html.zip. > > Extract and open PBE1.html. > > Cool. Thanks! > I had to fix manually several links and pictures. At least navigation works > even if not nice. CSS needs improvement but I suck at design / visual :) > > Like every good programmer :) I think this is cool Laurent. Even if the design is a little ugly, I think we can make it available: 1) Host it in http://pharobyexample.org/ and put a link to it 2) Put a link to it from pharo website. Then, we can improve it. And updating it will just be a matter of unzipping a new zip. Who should be contact to do 1) and 2) ? thanks > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#%21/lolgzs> > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> I could not generate all the html because apparently there is a problem. >> The table of contents was broken. >> >> Stef >> On May 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >> > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:56 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> > Ok if some good souls want to give a try to generate html. >> > >> > >> > On OSX with MacTex-2010 installed, I've tried >> > >> > git clone --depth 1 >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english.git >> > cd PharoByExample-english/ >> > htlatex PBE1.tex "html,2" >> > >> > Then open PBE1.html , one page per chapter. >> > >> > See http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn-commands.html >> > >> > Laurent. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Stef >> > >> > >> > >> > > Probably we should find a way to generate HTML from PDF or Latex. >> > > Any ideas? >> > > >> > > I've used latex2html several years ago. >> > > >> > > +1 for html >> > > >> > > Laurent. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help documentation >> for any part of the system? >> > > >>>> Or a bug fix? >> > > >>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We >> welcome comments/examples help. >> > > >>> No need to get into a cat-fight here :) >> > > >> >> > > >> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help? >> > > >> >> > > >>> I do agree with Stefan, as well as with you that we could help; >> but I'm unaware of a good documentation effort outside of the image to start >> with. Camillo's website project might be the best effort I've seen until >> now; but then I didn't really look either. Maybe I missed some great >> website? >> > > >> >> > > >> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call >> that a documentation. >> > > >> Now we can take the book contents and generate html >> > > >> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second one. >> > > >> People are free to join and write one or two chapters. >> > > > >> > > > StÃ©phane, >> > > > >> > > > Of course you are right: wining/complaining doesn't help, only >> action does. We need more people like Laurent focusing on documentation. >> > > > >> > > > I for one think that the well written, high quality books that exist >> (PBE, Seaside Book) are *very valuable*, much better than confusing wiki >> site (although these have their place as well). >> > > > >> > > > But the other point is: in most other popular languages, what >> current, young developers do, when they get an error that they don't >> understand is copy/paste the literal text in Google and in a surprisingly >> large number of cases you find some real answers in the first page. >> > > > >> > > > This is also related to popularity of course. >> > > > >> > > > Sven >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Funky BalloonMorph

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

did you check if the squeak version has the same behavior? Stef On May 14, 2011, at 3:49 PM, Hilaire Fernandes wrote: > Le 14/05/2011 15:29, Hilaire Fernandes a Ã©crit : >> * LAYOUT, the problem comes from the method >> String>>withNoLineLongerThan: doing very badly its job. > > Example of unexpected behavior: > > 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait etre facile a mettre en oeuvre > dans ce petit texte' withNoLineLongerThan: 40 > > -> > 'un exemple de texte pour ici qui devrait > etre facile a mettre en oeuvre dans ce > petit > texte' > >

May 14, 2011