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Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:53 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >>>> I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but >>>> it's often difficult >>>> when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively >>>> help. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every >>> people timezone / agenda. >>> >>> We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes >>> related to the fix. >>> >>> Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is >>> there a good soul ? >>> >>> >> well, I've started by renaming the thread and attaching Pharo-users. >> >> Laurent, maybe you should clarify what "lead" exactly means. >> > > > Everyday: > - choose an issue for the contest > - write it to the mailing list > - push to ask help > - contest is done when a slice is put in inbox > > > hehehehe I thought you were a bot/cron/robot ;) > Indeed, much like COTDC is. > > Laurent. > > > > >> >> Cheers >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >>> Laurent >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> -- >>>> Serge Stinckwich >>>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SSL/HTTPS - SecureSocketStream/SSLSessionforPharo/Squeak and other Smalltalk implementations

by David T. Lewis

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 01:27:11PM +0200, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > 2011/5/14 St?phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > > > > On May 14, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > > > >> 2011/5/14 St?phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr>: > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> I accelerated raisedTo:modulo: a bit with a primitive > >>>> (http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7120) but that's not enough > >>> Nicolas > >>> > >>> do you know why it was not integrated? > >>> It is a good candidate to check the build system of the VM and their evolution. > >>> Igor (I gave the windows distribution) to the arnaud so I hope that soon we will get a new windows slave for jenkins. > >>> > >>> Stef > >>> > >> > >> Don't know. I also have my modest bitShift: improvments pending > >> (http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7109) > >> Maybe I haven't performed enough tests to assert the performance gain. > >> The changes are reliable, I run a VM with both improvments without > >> crash for months. > >> > >> I could try to further improve the exponentiation algorithm by mixing > >> a sliding window exponentiation with Montgomery multiplication. > >> There would be other optimisations possible : each modular product > >> fits on a given number of bytes so we could recycle allocated > >> LargeInteger for storing intermediate results rather than letting vm > >> do it. > >> > >> Nicolas > >> > > > > Here is what I suggest. > > - Keep a log of these fixes may be on the cog vm > > - did you publish your fixes using the git infrastructure we put in place - because without it we will not work. > > No, this is just 3 or 4 methods to be change in VMMaker, no external C > code, only slang. Nocolas, sorry I overlooked M7120. The issue had been assigned to tim in 2008, so I just reassigned it to lewis. > > > - Write some tests > > bitShift has tests, for Montgomery I don't remember, but that's easy. > A couple of test or example doits would help, because we should verify that the primitive works on 32/64 bit HOST/IMAGE combinations. > > - Soon igor will resume his work on vm building with hudson and we should get some regression testing tests. > > - Soon we should be able to introduce these changes and evaluate their impact. > > - we should push the git infrastructure. > > > > I just need a commit right in VMMaker if we want to push this. Please mention on vm-dev if you want to be added to SqS/VMMaker. Thanks, Dave

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by laurent laffont

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but >>> it's often difficult >>> when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively >>> help. >>> >> >> >> Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every >> people timezone / agenda. >> >> We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes >> related to the fix. >> >> Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is there >> a good soul ? >> >> > well, I've started by renaming the thread and attaching Pharo-users. > > Laurent, maybe you should clarify what "lead" exactly means. > Everyday: - choose an issue for the contest - write it to the mailing list - push to ask help - contest is done when a slice is put in inbox Indeed, much like COTDC is. Laurent. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> Laurent >> >> >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by laurent laffont

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but >>> it's often difficult >>> when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively >>> help. >>> >> >> >> Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every >> people timezone / agenda. >> >> We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes >> related to the fix. >> >> Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is there >> a good soul ? >> >> > well, I've started by renaming the thread and attaching Pharo-users. > > Laurent, maybe you should clarify what "lead" exactly means. > Everyday: - choose an issue for the contest - write it to the mailing list - push to ask help - contest is done when a slice is put in inbox Indeed, much like COTDC is. Laurent. > > Cheers > > Mariano > > > >> Laurent >> >> >> >>> >>> Regards, >>> -- >>> Serge Stinckwich >>> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >>> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >>> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 14, 2011

[Pharo-project] Need someone to lead Fix of the Day contest [WAS] Re: Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

> >> I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but >> it's often difficult >> when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively >> help. >> > > > Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every > people timezone / agenda. > > We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes related > to the fix. > > Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is there > a good soul ? > > well, I've started by renaming the thread and attaching Pharo-users. Laurent, maybe you should clarify what "lead" exactly means. Cheers Mariano > Laurent > > > >> >> Regards, >> -- >> Serge Stinckwich >> UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam >> Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk >> http://doesnotunderstand.org/ >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by laurent laffont

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Serge Stinckwich < serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 2:25 AM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks to push Marcus. > >> > >> Yes! > >> > > >> > What I'm thinking about is that it's a lot of energy to fix stuff > about > >> > things we don't know. I rarely succeed in fixing something new (but I > learn > >> > a little more every day :). > >> > > >> > I tried to organize a Pharo sprint over internet / IRC for Pharo 1.2 > but > >> > there was only Guillermo and me (cool indeed). But I continue to think > it's > >> > a good way to fusion energy and more fun to fix stuff together (not > alone). > >> > > >> > Fixing bugs is a good way to learn, but easier with other people. So > can > >> > we have some virtual sprints over Skype or IRC ? > >> > >> yes this would be fun. > >> I think that we should have more virtual meeting to talk about key > >> actions. > > > > > > Another way is to create the "Fix Of The Day Contest", one day, one fix > :) > > +1 > > I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but > it's often difficult > when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively > help. > Fix of the day contest has the advantage of being compatible with every people timezone / agenda. We can also synchronize CODTC and FOTDC in order to comment classes related to the fix. Now we just need someone to lead the FOTDC. I already do COTDC so is there a good soul ? Laurent > > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > >

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by laurent laffont

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM, laurent laffont < > laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here's a first shot of PBE1 in html >> http://lolgzs.free.fr/pharo/PBE1_html.zip. >> >> Extract and open PBE1.html. >> >> > Cool. Thanks! > > >> I had to fix manually several links and pictures. At least navigation >> works even if not nice. CSS needs improvement but I suck at design / visual >> :) >> >> > Like every good programmer :) > Some good programmers are also good at graphics - indeed, I know some ;) > > I think this is cool Laurent. Even if the design is a little ugly, I think > we can make it available: > > 1) Host it in http://pharobyexample.org/ and put a link to it > 2) Put a link to it from pharo website. > > Then, we can improve it. And updating it will just be a matter of unzipping > a new zip. > May be I should put it on github. Who should be contact to do 1) and 2) ? > > I can do 2) Laurent > thanks > > > > >> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#%21/lolgzs> >> >> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >> >> >> >> On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 2:18 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >>> I could not generate all the html because apparently there is a problem. >>> The table of contents was broken. >>> >>> Stef >>> On May 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, laurent laffont wrote: >>> >>> > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:56 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> > Ok if some good souls want to give a try to generate html. >>> > >>> > >>> > On OSX with MacTex-2010 installed, I've tried >>> > >>> > git clone --depth 1 >>> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english.git >>> > cd PharoByExample-english/ >>> > htlatex PBE1.tex "html,2" >>> > >>> > Then open PBE1.html , one page per chapter. >>> > >>> > See http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn-commands.html >>> > >>> > Laurent. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Stef >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > Probably we should find a way to generate HTML from PDF or Latex. >>> > > Any ideas? >>> > > >>> > > I've used latex2html several years ago. >>> > > >>> > > +1 for html >>> > > >>> > > Laurent. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help >>> documentation for any part of the system? >>> > > >>>> Or a bug fix? >>> > > >>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We >>> welcome comments/examples help. >>> > > >>> No need to get into a cat-fight here :) >>> > > >> >>> > > >> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help? >>> > > >> >>> > > >>> I do agree with Stefan, as well as with you that we could help; >>> but I'm unaware of a good documentation effort outside of the image to start >>> with. Camillo's website project might be the best effort I've seen until >>> now; but then I didn't really look either. Maybe I missed some great >>> website? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call >>> that a documentation. >>> > > >> Now we can take the book contents and generate html >>> > > >> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second >>> one. >>> > > >> People are free to join and write one or two chapters. >>> > > > >>> > > > StÃ©phane, >>> > > > >>> > > > Of course you are right: wining/complaining doesn't help, only >>> action does. We need more people like Laurent focusing on documentation. >>> > > > >>> > > > I for one think that the well written, high quality books that >>> exist (PBE, Seaside Book) are *very valuable*, much better than confusing >>> wiki site (although these have their place as well). >>> > > > >>> > > > But the other point is: in most other popular languages, what >>> current, young developers do, when they get an error that they don't >>> understand is copy/paste the literal text in Google and in a surprisingly >>> large number of cases you find some real answers in the first page. >>> > > > >>> > > > This is also related to popularity of course. >>> > > > >>> > > > Sven >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 14, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13199

by Marcus Denker

13199 ----- Issue 4165: Failing Tests: DecompilerTests Issue 4223: Not all test packages are being unload in #cleanUpForProduction Issue 4202: Collections-Atomic-Tests --> CollectionTests-Atomic Issue 4170: AbstractTool references non-existing DialogGroupAdder Issue 4216: ThreadsafeTranscript hat undeclared Reference Issue 4220: Remove #dropSourcePointer from Objects as methods -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Serge Stinckwich < serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 2:25 AM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> > >> > Thanks to push Marcus. > >> > >> Yes! > >> > > >> > What I'm thinking about is that it's a lot of energy to fix stuff > about > >> > things we don't know. I rarely succeed in fixing something new (but I > learn > >> > a little more every day :). > >> > > >> > I tried to organize a Pharo sprint over internet / IRC for Pharo 1.2 > but > >> > there was only Guillermo and me (cool indeed). But I continue to think > it's > >> > a good way to fusion energy and more fun to fix stuff together (not > alone). > >> > > >> > Fixing bugs is a good way to learn, but easier with other people. So > can > >> > we have some virtual sprints over Skype or IRC ? > >> > >> yes this would be fun. > >> I think that we should have more virtual meeting to talk about key > >> actions. > > > > > > Another way is to create the "Fix Of The Day Contest", one day, one fix > :) > > +1 > > I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but > it's often difficult > Yes, but we aware we are all in the same situation. I have never contributed nor develop (more than fixing stupid bugs) to ANY of the projects/packages included in PharoDev. > when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively > help. > > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 14, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Need help with 1.3 Full Image

by Serge Stinckwich

On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 2:25 AM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:13 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> >> > Thanks to push Marcus. >> >> Yes! >> > >> > What I'm thinking about is that it's a lot of energy to fix stuff about >> > things we don't know. I rarely succeed in fixing something new (but I learn >> > a little more every day :). >> > >> > I tried to organize a Pharo sprint over internet / IRC for Pharo 1.2 but >> > there was only Guillermo and me (cool indeed). But I continue to think it's >> > a good way to fusion energy and more fun to fix stuff together (not alone). >> > >> > Fixing bugs is a good way to learn, but easier with other people. So can >> > we have some virtual sprints over Skype or IRC ? >> >> yes this would be fun. >> I think that we should have more virtual meeting to talk about key >> actions. > > > Another way is to create the "Fix Of The Day Contest", one day, one fix :) +1 I try to solve some issue in the issues tracker from time to time, but it's often difficult when outside your expertise. So doing it with others might definitively help. Regards, -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk http://doesnotunderstand.org/

May 14, 2011