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[Pharo-project] excellent job: netstylers :)

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

http://www.cmsbox.com/en/showcase/our-websites Stef

May 31, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A radical proposal (to cut down dead code)

by Eliot Miranda

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:50 PM, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > > > [It's] impossible to authoritatively classify anything as "dead > > code" unless there's a reference standard of what's core and what's > > not core... > > Yeah, in the meantime I define "dead" as "not run for some amount > of time". > Surely "dead" means not used in the transitive closure of useful packages. I don't see anyone in this thread proposing to trawl Monticello repositories looking for the latest versions of packages and then analysing what messages these packages send. IMO, only by doing this will you be able to define what's used in the image. One could try and relate the messages used to the publish date of packages to try and get some idea of the up-to-date-ness of messages. One can perhaps attempt to make some determination of the liveness of the package by asking the community (basing this on e.g. last time it was downloaded creates the heisenbug of package trawling needing to download packages. Am I mad or is the set of packages out there in Monitcello repositories and on SqueakMap what really constitutes the working set that the base image needs to support? best, Eliot > > > -C > > -- > Craig Latta > www.netjam.org/resume > +31 06 2757 7177 > + 1 415 287 3547 > > > > >

May 31, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A radical proposal (to cut down dead code)

by Craig Latta

> [It's] impossible to authoritatively classify anything as "dead > code" unless there's a reference standard of what's core and what's > not core... Yeah, in the meantime I define "dead" as "not run for some amount of time". -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 06 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547

May 31, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A radical proposal (to cut down dead code)

by Casimiro de Almeida Barreto

Em 30-05-2011 17:23, Marcus Denker escreveu: > On May 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote: > >> Regarding this subject I think: >> >> â¢ There's impossible to authoritatively classify anything as "dead code" unless there's a reference standard of what's core and what's not core (like, Java defines the JFCs). At this point it would be useful to have a reference standard of "core classes" and their "core messages/methods". >> > We do not have such a reference. I do not know how you can build one without cleaning up. > > Marcus In my mind such a cycle would be something like: freeze -> clean up & debug -> map dependencies -> orthogonalize -> define core & extras -> implement control mechanisms to avoid "contamination/degradation" of core stuff -> document CdAB > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > >

May 30, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] looking for inputField with memory of the last typed entries

by Schwab,Wilhelm K

Stef, With my MVP bias clearly re-stated, is this really the job of the widget, or of the containing/composite presenter? Depending on what behavior you want, it might be a widget/view customization, but it never hurts to ask the question. Bill ________________________________________ From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of stephane ducasse [stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2011 3:37 PM To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-source Smalltalk Subject: [Pharo-project] looking for inputField with memory of the last typed entries Hi I would like to know if an inputField with last typed entry is available in Pharo (if not I will ask benjamin to see what he can do) because we need better widgets. Stef

May 30, 2011

[Pharo-project] Tiling Window Manager - status update

by laurent laffont

First thanks to all people that send patches (and tests !!). Still not haven't merged all of them - don't hesitate to post in repository so code is not lost. Yes I will merge layout policies. Gofer it squeaksource: 'TilingWindowManager'; package: 'TWM'; load. (Smalltalk at: #StandardUITheme) beCurrent. (Smalltalk at: #TWMBar) showTWMBar:true. Tested on PharoCore 1.2 and Pharo 1.3. Now this has support for world snapshot, that means you can arrange the windows and take a snapshot of the layout. Then you can restore these layouts later. (icons camera, <, > and trash). I'm not entirely satisfied with this, thanks for feedback. In Pharo 1.3 there's initial integration with KeyMapping. To load: Gofer it squeaksource: 'ShortWays'; package: 'ConfigurationOfKeymapping'; load. (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfKeymapping project version: #bleedingEdge) load. Then in settings browser > Keymappings > Tiling Window Managers you have all actions of the dock mapped. Not all shortcuts are working, don't know why, if people can test and find good shortcuts thank you. Creating a nice Metacello Configuration for TWM will be appreciated :) Cheers, Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st

May 30, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Screencast on Tiling Window Manager

by laurent laffont

On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 10:24 PM, Guillermo Polito < guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Ahh, I would love beta testers and feedback :D. But I'd love to have 36 > hours days too :P. The not so cool part: - Seems I cannot use CTRL in shortcuts - Restore default bring up debugger Laurent. > > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:19 PM, laurent laffont < > laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Guillermo, >> >> I've load it, I understood how it works, now I'm adding keymapping for TWM >> and it's cooooooooooool !!!!!!!!! >> >> >> Laurent. >> >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Guillermo Polito < >> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hmm, well, because of that I've decided to continue working on another >>> repository... Try: >>> >>> Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'ShortWays'; >>> package: 'ConfigurationOfKeymapping'; >>> load. >>> >>> (ConfigurarionOfKeymapping project version: #bleedingEdge) load >>> >>> I'm developing in 1.3 btw, so It should not be compatible with 1.2 so >>> far. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:55 AM, laurent laffont < >>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Is ConfigurationOfKeyMapping supposed to load on 1.3 ? I've tried: >>>> >>>> ConfigurationOfKeymapping project latestVersion load: #( 'default' >>>> 'tests' 'configurations' ) >>>> >>>> >>>> (ConfigurationOfKeymapping project version: '1.3') load. >>>> >>>> but always end with debuggers opened ..... >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Guillermo Polito < >>>> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yesterday I went to sleep late to make Keymapping work on >>>>> PluggableTextMorph & friends crap :). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And I would like to have a new wa to handle shortcuts and keybinding >>>>>> in 1.4 >>>>>> >>>>>> Stef >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 30, 2011, at 10:04 AM, laurent laffont wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Bernat Romagosa < >>>>>> tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > What about the possibility of implementing shortcuts? A big part of >>>>>> the point of most of these WMs is to minimize the use of the rat ;) >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > yes yes it's planned, I want to use ConfigurationOfKeymapping .... >>>>>> may be someone can have a look to help ? >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Laurent. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > For example, in my WM you'd go c-t s to get an horizontal split, c-t >>>>>> S to get a vertical split, c-t t to switch between the two last used >>>>>> windows, c-t space to cycle through all open windows etc. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Just a suggestion... >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Bernat. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > 2011/5/30 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> > I've never used xmonad but if you provide an alternate layout >>>>>> implementation (See TilingWM>>tileWindows: ) + tests :) I will merge it >>>>>> using a Strategy Pattern. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Laurent. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Miguel Moquillon < >>>>>> miguel.moquillon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > It is a cool project with which I could retrieve my habits from my >>>>>> window manager (I use xmonad) on my GNU/Linux machines. >>>>>> > You talk about emacs as inspiration of your project; why don't take >>>>>> ideas from tiling window manager like xmonad, awesome or others? For >>>>>> exemple, they use the concept of layouts to provide several policy on >>>>>> tiling window management. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Mig >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Le 28 mai 2011 Ã 00:15, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> a Ã©crit : >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> Here: >>>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/2011/05/tiling-window-manager.html >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Not really good, awful english (I'm tired :) but feedback is >>>>>> always welcome ! >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>>>> >> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>>>> >> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

May 30, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A radical proposal (to cut down dead code)

by Guillermo Polito

If we have backup of old sources in squeaksource, removing old code is not something to be scared of :). BTW, we should begin to determine what is public api for devs and what is not. On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>wrote: > > On May 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote: > > > Regarding this subject I think: > > > > â¢ There's impossible to authoritatively classify anything as "dead > code" unless there's a reference standard of what's core and what's not core > (like, Java defines the JFCs). At this point it would be useful to have a > reference standard of "core classes" and their "core messages/methods". > > > We do not have such a reference. I do not know how you can build one > without cleaning up. > > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > > >

May 30, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] Screencast on Tiling Window Manager

by Guillermo Polito

Ahh, I would love beta testers and feedback :D. But I'd love to have 36 hours days too :P. On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:19 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Guillermo, > > I've load it, I understood how it works, now I'm adding keymapping for TWM > and it's cooooooooooool !!!!!!!!! > > > Laurent. > > > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Guillermo Polito < > guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hmm, well, because of that I've decided to continue working on another >> repository... Try: >> >> Gofer it >> squeaksource: 'ShortWays'; >> package: 'ConfigurationOfKeymapping'; >> load. >> >> (ConfigurarionOfKeymapping project version: #bleedingEdge) load >> >> I'm developing in 1.3 btw, so It should not be compatible with 1.2 so far. >> >> >> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 11:55 AM, laurent laffont < >> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Is ConfigurationOfKeyMapping supposed to load on 1.3 ? I've tried: >>> >>> ConfigurationOfKeymapping project latestVersion load: #( 'default' >>> 'tests' 'configurations' ) >>> >>> >>> (ConfigurationOfKeymapping project version: '1.3') load. >>> >>> but always end with debuggers opened ..... >>> >>> >>> Laurent >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Guillermo Polito < >>> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Yesterday I went to sleep late to make Keymapping work on >>>> PluggableTextMorph & friends crap :). >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 7:40 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And I would like to have a new wa to handle shortcuts and keybinding in >>>>> 1.4 >>>>> >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> On May 30, 2011, at 10:04 AM, laurent laffont wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Bernat Romagosa < >>>>> tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > What about the possibility of implementing shortcuts? A big part of >>>>> the point of most of these WMs is to minimize the use of the rat ;) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > yes yes it's planned, I want to use ConfigurationOfKeymapping .... >>>>> may be someone can have a look to help ? >>>>> > >>>>> > Laurent. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > For example, in my WM you'd go c-t s to get an horizontal split, c-t >>>>> S to get a vertical split, c-t t to switch between the two last used >>>>> windows, c-t space to cycle through all open windows etc. >>>>> > >>>>> > Just a suggestion... >>>>> > >>>>> > Bernat. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > 2011/5/30 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>> > I've never used xmonad but if you provide an alternate layout >>>>> implementation (See TilingWM>>tileWindows: ) + tests :) I will merge it >>>>> using a Strategy Pattern. >>>>> > >>>>> > Laurent. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Miguel Moquillon < >>>>> miguel.moquillon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > It is a cool project with which I could retrieve my habits from my >>>>> window manager (I use xmonad) on my GNU/Linux machines. >>>>> > You talk about emacs as inspiration of your project; why don't take >>>>> ideas from tiling window manager like xmonad, awesome or others? For >>>>> exemple, they use the concept of layouts to provide several policy on >>>>> tiling window management. >>>>> > >>>>> > Mig >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Le 28 mai 2011 Ã 00:15, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>> a Ã©crit : >>>>> > >>>>> >> Here: >>>>> http://magaloma.blogspot.com/2011/05/tiling-window-manager.html >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Not really good, awful english (I'm tired :) but feedback is always >>>>> welcome ! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>>> >> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>>>> >> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

May 30, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] A radical proposal (to cut down dead code)

by Marcus Denker

On May 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Casimiro de Almeida Barreto wrote: > Regarding this subject I think: > > â¢ There's impossible to authoritatively classify anything as "dead code" unless there's a reference standard of what's core and what's not core (like, Java defines the JFCs). At this point it would be useful to have a reference standard of "core classes" and their "core messages/methods". > We do not have such a reference. I do not know how you can build one without cleaning up. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

May 30, 2011