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Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by laurent laffont

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) > .. > > Having Amazon ec2 image is also a very good idea, and some > Smalltalkers have already made first important steps like: > > > http://www.nickager.com/blog/Create-a-free-Gemstone-server-in-the-cloud-in-… > > You probably already have enough on your plate, but I mentioned > CloudFoundry for following reasons: > - it has a promise that one would be able to deploy SmallHarbour to > different cloud providers > - CloudFoundry currently provides support for Java, Ruby and > Javascript, adding Smalltalk would be nice for visibility, and could > be used for other Smalltalk services not only SmallHarbour. > > As I said you probably have enough to do in the first place, but if > you just happen to have some student lurking that has some ruby > knowledge to hack the interface for Smalltalk to Cloudfoundry it would > be very nice to have :) > Yes. Indeed I would like contributing to SmallHarbour to be easy. So Cloundfoundry should be one (worthwhile) among several ways to deploy SmallHarbour platform. Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > As for your other goals - great! > > Davorin Rusevljan > http://www.cloud208.com/ >

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by laurent laffont

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, laurent laffont < > laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < >> marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. >>> It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there. >>> >> >> Yes, good idea to have a look. >> >> I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box. >> >> > Do it directly on top of Glass and you already have a lot of things for > free, included that question ;) > I would like all the stack to be open source. Gemstone isn't ? Laurent. > You only need to implement the logistic for the app (kind of > seasidehosting). > > >> Laurent. >> >> >> >>> BTW, cool project and congrats! >>> >>> mariano >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont < >>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < >>>> davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Interesting! >>>>> >>>>> Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) >>>> >>>> 1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting >>>> platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud >>>> or on a real server should be a preference. >>>> >>>> Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be >>>> appreciated. >>>> >>>> We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... >>>> for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to >>>> learn). >>>> >>>> For example: >>>> a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web >>>> applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend >>>> time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the >>>> appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images. >>>> >>>> b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several >>>> Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then >>>> >>>> apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / .... >>>> >>>> /etc/rc.d/smallharbour start >>>> >>>> and let's go ! >>>> >>>> >>>> 2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for >>>> commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly >>>> fee related to the service you want, then either >>>> >>>> a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a >>>> power user >>>> >>>> b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, >>>> blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated >>>> easily. >>>> >>>> >>>> 3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't >>>> need SmallHarbour :) >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent >>>> >>>> Davorin Rusevljan >>>>> http://www.cloud208.com/ >>>>> >>>>> On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < >>>>> tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Just a ... >>>>> >>>>> Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething. >>>>> >>>>> We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We >>>>> will start with Seaside though. >>>>> >>>>> Laurent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > 2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact(a)romain-verduci.com> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> We actually have www.seasideho... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mariano >>> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >>> >>> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:41 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < > marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. >> It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there. >> > > Yes, good idea to have a look. > > I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box. > > Do it directly on top of Glass and you already have a lot of things for free, included that question ;) You only need to implement the logistic for the app (kind of seasidehosting). > Laurent. > > > >> BTW, cool project and congrats! >> >> mariano >> >> >> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont < >> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < >>> davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting! >>>> >>>> Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry? >>>> >>> >>> Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) >>> >>> 1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting >>> platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud >>> or on a real server should be a preference. >>> >>> Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... >>> for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to >>> learn). >>> >>> For example: >>> a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web >>> applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend >>> time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the >>> appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images. >>> >>> b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several >>> Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then >>> >>> apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / .... >>> >>> /etc/rc.d/smallharbour start >>> >>> and let's go ! >>> >>> >>> 2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for >>> commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly >>> fee related to the service you want, then either >>> >>> a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a >>> power user >>> >>> b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, >>> blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated >>> easily. >>> >>> >>> 3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't >>> need SmallHarbour :) >>> >>> >>> Laurent >>> >>> Davorin Rusevljan >>>> http://www.cloud208.com/ >>>> >>>> On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < >>>> tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Just a ... >>>> >>>> Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething. >>>> >>>> We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We >>>> will start with Seaside though. >>>> >>>> Laurent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > 2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact(a)romain-verduci.com> >>>> >> >>>> >> We actually have www.seasideho... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by laurent laffont

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:29 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck < marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. > It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there. > Yes, good idea to have a look. I actually wonder which database support should come out of the box. Laurent. > BTW, cool project and congrats! > > mariano > > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont < > laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < >> davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Interesting! >>> >>> Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry? >>> >> >> Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) >> >> 1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting >> platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud >> or on a real server should be a preference. >> >> Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be >> appreciated. >> >> We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... >> for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to >> learn). >> >> For example: >> a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web >> applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend >> time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the >> appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images. >> >> b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several >> Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then >> >> apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / .... >> >> /etc/rc.d/smallharbour start >> >> and let's go ! >> >> >> 2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for >> commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly >> fee related to the service you want, then either >> >> a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a >> power user >> >> b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, >> blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated >> easily. >> >> >> 3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need >> SmallHarbour :) >> >> >> Laurent >> >> Davorin Rusevljan >>> http://www.cloud208.com/ >>> >>> On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < >>> tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Just a ... >>> >>> Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething. >>> >>> We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We >>> will start with Seaside though. >>> >>> Laurent. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > 2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact(a)romain-verduci.com> >>> >> >>> >> We actually have www.seasideho... >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Esug-list mailing list >>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > >

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Hi Laurent. You should take a look to GLASS applicance. It is similar to what you want. You can take ideas from there. BTW, cool project and congrats! mariano On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:19 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < > davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Interesting! >> >> Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry? >> > > Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) > > 1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting > platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud > or on a real server should be a preference. > > Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be > appreciated. > > We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for > an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to > learn). > > For example: > a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web > applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend > time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the > appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images. > > b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several > Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then > > apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / .... > > /etc/rc.d/smallharbour start > > and let's go ! > > > 2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for > commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly > fee related to the service you want, then either > > a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power > user > > b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, > blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated > easily. > > > 3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need > SmallHarbour :) > > > Laurent > > Davorin Rusevljan >> http://www.cloud208.com/ >> >> On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < >> tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Just a ... >> >> Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething. >> >> We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will >> start with Seaside though. >> >> Laurent. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > 2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact(a)romain-verduci.com> >> >> >> >> We actually have www.seasideho... >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Esug-list mailing list >> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Esug-list] [ANN] SmallHarbour project

by laurent laffont

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Davorin Rusevljan < davorin.rusevljan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Interesting! > > Have you maybe considered to base it on the cloud foundry? > Actually we have several visions (nothing is final here, ideas welcome) 1/ SmallHarbour platform is meant to be a base for YOUR own hosting platform, like your own seaside hosting. So whether you put it on the cloud or on a real server should be a preference. Actually we don't have any experience with cloud, so help will be appreciated. We plan to have a virtual appliance based on virtual box / vmware /.... for an easy setup. Amazon VMI image should be a good idea too (we have to learn). For example: a / I work in an enterprise, I want to easily deploy Smalltalk web applications / tools on intranet for my co-workers and I don't want to spend time on setting up servers, apache, ...... So I could just get the appliance, start it and I'm ready to deploy several images. b / I want to set up a unique VPS (or cloud platform) to deploy several Smalltalk web apps / sites. I could just put my preferred Linux distro, then apt-get install smallharbour / pacman -s smallharbour / .... /etc/rc.d/smallharbour start and let's go ! 2/ SmallHarbour hosting service which be like SeasideHosting, but for commercial purposes. So you should create an account, pay a monthly / yearly fee related to the service you want, then either a/ upload your own image (like you do for SeasideHosting) if you're a power user b/ one-click deploy of pre-made image if you just want to setup a CMS, blog, write a new book, event planing, ... Pre-made images should be updated easily. 3/ People who need scalability, performance, deep customization don't need SmallHarbour :) Laurent Davorin Rusevljan > http://www.cloud208.com/ > > On May 17, 2011 6:26 PM, "laurent laffont" <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Bernat Romagosa < > tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Just a ... > > Yes, that's why we haven't called it SeasideSomething. > > We want the project to be open and support several web frameworks. We will > start with Seaside though. > > Laurent. > > > > > > > > > > 2011/5/17 Romain Verduci <contact(a)romain-verduci.com> > >> > >> We actually have www.seasideho... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Esug-list mailing list > Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org > http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org > >

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Filesystem-cwp.120 is broken

by Tudor Girba

Hi, A month ago I sent an email documenting the changes (including the update to the configuration): http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2011-April/046446.html Cheers, Doru On 17 May 2011, at 20:00, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > I have to check if we update the configurationOfFS. > Now I should say that I lost energy in the FS story so we will see how we sort that out. > > Stef > > On May 17, 2011, at 5:15 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > >> ouch! :) >> >> El 17/05/2011, a las 9:47a.m., Lukas Renggli escribiÃ³: >> >>>> I just downloaded Filesystem-cwp.120... it is empty, and that makes ConfigurationOfFilesystem to not load correctly. >>> >>> If you read the comment of Filesystem-cwp.120 you see that this is >>> intentional. The package was split quite some time ago into various >>> independent ones. >>> >>> Lukas >>> >>> -- >>> Lukas Renggli >>> www.lukas-renggli.ch >>> >> >> > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."

May 17, 2011

[Pharo-project] [COTDC] 66 - LogicalFont

by laurent laffont

Today: LogicalFont Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest Laurent

May 17, 2011

[Pharo-project] some news about the consortium

by stephane ducasse

Hi guys first thank for all the people/companies/research groups that signed the license support. Next week we will have a discussion with the INRIA responsible for consortium and we will write a report to you. Stef

May 17, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 65 - LogicalFontManager

by laurent laffont

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 8:24 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Today: LogicalFontManager > I reference all font families available in the system. For example: LogicalFontManager current allFamilies. FreeTypeFontSelectorDialogWindow new open. Laurent > > Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment > Rules: > #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment > will be integrated with name of the author(s). > #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. > Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest > > Laurent >

May 17, 2011