May 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] Name spaces

by Toon Verwaest

On 05/20/2011 03:46 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > On May 20, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > >> On 05/20/2011 02:52 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: >>> On 20. 05. 2011 14:15, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>>>>> I'm wondering what is the status of the name spaces project developed last summer as part of GSoC. >>>>>> nowhere and do not expect it to be in pharo. >>>>> Why that? Is it because of the implementation or because you don't want >>>>> namespaces in Pharo? >>>> sorry guy I do not have the time for discussing that. >>> But it is certainly needed to be discussed and it would be nice if at >>> least a timeframe for this discussion is announced. If not put in a plan >>> for Pharo ... >> Yes, name spaces haven't yet been discussed enough. >> > Maybe we can establish a new tradition and have a 100+ discussion about namespaces > every year. It worked well for Squeak... Wasn't the whole idea of Pharo to turn every "discussion in Squeak" into a "do in pharo"? > Marcus > > > -- > Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. > >

May 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Name spaces

by Bernat Romagosa

Obviously, we don't have namespaces because squeaksource doesn't allow smalltalk to be popular enough. Sorry, I had to say it :D

May 20, 2011

[Pharo-project] Just in case ...

by Torsten Bergmann

Short mental exercise: What if ... diskpacks are burned and someone would come, give you enough time and resources to (re)implement the Pharo system and VM from scratch: Pharo Image/Sources - how would it look like - how would it differ from current design - what would be included - how would it be maintained - how would it be used/who would use it VM - how would it look like - how would it differ from current VM design - how would it be implemented/generated - how would it be maintained Even answers are welcome with ideas impossible to realize in the near future ... but it may help to find - possible next steps - features we havent thought about, yet Thx T. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

May 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Name spaces

by Philippe Marschall

On 05/20/2011 03:46 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On May 20, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > >> On 05/20/2011 02:52 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: >>> On 20. 05. 2011 14:15, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>>>>> I'm wondering what is the status of the name spaces project developed last summer as part of GSoC. >>>>>> >>>>>> nowhere and do not expect it to be in pharo. >>>>> >>>>> Why that? Is it because of the implementation or because you don't want >>>>> namespaces in Pharo? >>>> >>>> sorry guy I do not have the time for discussing that. >>> >>> But it is certainly needed to be discussed and it would be nice if at >>> least a timeframe for this discussion is announced. If not put in a plan >>> for Pharo ... >> >> Yes, name spaces haven't yet been discussed enough. >> > Maybe we can establish a new tradition and have a 100+ discussion about namespaces > every year. It worked well for Squeak... Like we already have for why Smalltalk is not more popular. That would be nice. Cheers Philippe

May 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Name spaces

by Marcus Denker

On May 20, 2011, at 3:43 PM, Philippe Marschall wrote: > On 05/20/2011 02:52 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: >> On 20. 05. 2011 14:15, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>>>>> I'm wondering what is the status of the name spaces project developed last summer as part of GSoC. >>>>> >>>>> nowhere and do not expect it to be in pharo. >>>> >>>> Why that? Is it because of the implementation or because you don't want >>>> namespaces in Pharo? >>> >>> sorry guy I do not have the time for discussing that. >> >> But it is certainly needed to be discussed and it would be nice if at >> least a timeframe for this discussion is announced. If not put in a plan >> for Pharo ... > > Yes, name spaces haven't yet been discussed enough. > Maybe we can establish a new tradition and have a 100+ discussion about namespaces every year. It worked well for Squeak... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

May 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Name spaces

by Philippe Marschall

On 05/20/2011 02:52 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > On 20. 05. 2011 14:15, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >>>>> I'm wondering what is the status of the name spaces project developed last summer as part of GSoC. >>>> >>>> nowhere and do not expect it to be in pharo. >>> >>> Why that? Is it because of the implementation or because you don't want >>> namespaces in Pharo? >> >> sorry guy I do not have the time for discussing that. > > But it is certainly needed to be discussed and it would be nice if at > least a timeframe for this discussion is announced. If not put in a plan > for Pharo ... Yes, name spaces haven't yet been discussed enough. Cheers Philippe

May 20, 2011

[Pharo-project] How to know 'real' extent of a PanelMorph

by Cyrille Delaunay

Hello, I have a panelMorph composed by several row/columns with different kind of morphs. What I would like to know is, what is the extent / size that I should use to FULLY display this panel (without scrollbars). Each time I ask for the extent of a panelMorph, it answers 50@40, whatever what is inside. If you openInWorld you will have something very very small. Is there a way to retrieve an extent with which the panel morph will be 'well' displayed (without having scrollbars everywhere)? In other words, what I really want to know is: Given two panelMorph, is there a way to say that one need more place than the other to be displayed?

May 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] Re: out of memory - cog on windows

by Tudor Girba

Hi, On 18 May 2011, at 18:07, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Wed, 18 May 2011, Tudor Girba wrote: > > snip > >> >> I tried with several versions of Cog including the latest ones (on both platforms) and I got the same result. I did not try with an interpreter VM because I only have Cog images around (based on Pharo 1.2) and they are not compatible. > > You can use this interpreter vm to open cog images: http://leves.web.elte.hu/squeak/SqueakVM-Win32-4.4.9-2358-non-official-bin.… I tried with this VM, but it crashes with the attached error. In any case, if someone wants to reproduce it, here is an image to play with: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/18323746/Tmp/moose-case-study-windows-problem.zip Cheers, Doru > > Levente > > snip -- www.tudorgirba.com "Being happy is a matter of choice."

May 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Name spaces

by Noury Bouraqadi

On 20 mai 2011, at 12:40, Nicolas Petton wrote: > Le vendredi 20 mai 2011 Ã 09:52 +0200, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >> On May 20, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Noury Bouraqadi wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm wondering what is the status of the name spaces project developed last summer as part of GSoC. >> >> nowhere and do not expect it to be in pharo. > > Why that? Is it because of the implementation or because you don't want > namespaces in Pharo? > What a question Nicolas ! Of course we want namespaces in Pharo! :-) But, we also want clean well designed stuff. Actually, what we want is a real module system. Now, we need to look on what is out there. I looked in SqueakSource and the last version dates back to last summer. So, I guess that the project is dead and for sure it won't load in 1.3. Noury > Nicolas >> >> Stef >> >>> >>> Noury >>> http://car.mines-douai.fr/noury >>> -- >>> -6th National Conference on >>> âControl Architecture of Robotsâ >>> 24-25 may 2011, Grenoble area, France >>> http://car2011.inrialpes.fr/ >>> >>> -19th ESUG International Smalltalk Conference >>> 22-26 August 2011, Edinburgh, UK >>> http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2011 >>> >>> -19Ã¨mes JournÃ©es Francophones sur les SystÃ¨mes Multi-Agents (JFSMAâ11) >>> http://www.univ-valenciennes.fr/congres/jfsma2011/ >>> 17-19 Octobre 2011, Valenciennes, France >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > Noury Bouraqadi http://car.mines-douai.fr/noury -- -6th National Conference on âControl Architecture of Robotsâ 24-25 may 2011, Grenoble area, France http://car2011.inrialpes.fr/ -19th ESUG International Smalltalk Conference 22-26 August 2011, Edinburgh, UK http://www.esug.org/Conferences/2011 -19Ã¨mes JournÃ©es Francophones sur les SystÃ¨mes Multi-Agents (JFSMAâ11) http://www.univ-valenciennes.fr/congres/jfsma2011/ 17-19 Octobre 2011, Valenciennes, France

May 20, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Name spaces

by Janko MivÅ¡ek

On 20. 05. 2011 14:15, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>>> I'm wondering what is the status of the name spaces project developed last summer as part of GSoC. >>> >>> nowhere and do not expect it to be in pharo. >> >> Why that? Is it because of the implementation or because you don't want >> namespaces in Pharo? > > sorry guy I do not have the time for discussing that. But it is certainly needed to be discussed and it would be nice if at least a timeframe for this discussion is announced. If not put in a plan for Pharo ... We namely need namespaces (or something similar), most other Smalltalks have them and those who work on those dialects we know how useful namespaces are, so it is a time to decide about namespaces in Pharo too. Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

May 20, 2011