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[Pharo-project] [COTDC] 68#3 - SelectionBlock

by laurent laffont

Today: SelectionBlock (I feel ignorant) Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest Laurent

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 68#2 MultiTextComposer

by laurent laffont

Alain, you know this too :) ? Laurent On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:51 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com > wrote: > Today: MultiTextComposer > > > Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment > Rules: > #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment > will be integrated with name of the author(s). > #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. > Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest > > Laurent >

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Tiling windows

by laurent laffont

- Now loads in PharoCore - more tests - fill all space even if number of windows is not square. Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st 2011/5/26 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> > > 2011/5/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > >> 2011/5/26 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> >> >>> >>> >>> 2011/5/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> GastÃ²n, >>>> >>>> I've downloaded the new version - thanks a lot for contributing, it >>>> brings fun :) >>>> >>>> Some comment: >>>> >>>> - tiling browsers don't work any more with >>>> OB, WMWithAnOBBrowserAndDockingBarsTest does not create an OBBrowser anymore >>>> but a Browser >>>> >>> >>> In 1.3 core there's not OBBrowser, then, when trying to modify a method >>> with reference to OBBrowser obtained an error. So I remove their references. >>> >> >> >> I see. I will refactor this so it will be compatible with Core and still >> work with OB (quite easy). >> > > > This would be great, because now I think, in a core are never the most > useful tools (Seaside control panel, memory monitor), and TWM should know > about them in some way (you apply a pattern to solve this problem?). > > > >> >> >> >>> - you've changed TilingWM>>visibleWindows to TilingWM>>windows. The >>>> "visible" was not innocent, because tileVisibleWindows cares about windows >>>> that are not minimized. On the other side, tileWorkspaces tile all >>>> workspaces, minimized or not. So I think in final we may have: >>>> >>>> #tileVisibleWindows >>>> #tileWindows (maybe #tileAllWindows is a better name) >>>> #tileVisibleWorkspaces >>>> #tileWorkspaces / #tileAllWorkspaces >>>> ...... >>>> >>>> >>> Please, see you the comment in de versiÃ³n 5 of de package, "Now all >>> botton tile visibles windows.". I think it's better to just get organized >>> visible windows, even when done on a particular kind (such as workspaces). >>> For this is that the word was redundant now visible. >>> >> >> >> I will think about this. >> > > When you have many windows, minimizing them is the way to let them > "suspended", therefore I think it should be organized only visibles. > > > >> >> >> - I will add tests to TWMBar finally as it seems to grow >>>> >>>> - I want TilingWM to be 100% test coverage >>>> >>> >>> Sorry, give me some time for learn about this... >>> >> >> >> Don't hesitate to ask. >> >> > ok. > > >> >> - Balloon and spaces for TWMBar is a good idea - we need to make this work >>>> effectively :) >>>> >>>> >>> yes >>> >>> >>>> - Great to have all the buttons per type of applications ! >>>> >>> >>> it is still very rudimentary way to filter the windows, but it was >>> helpful to learn about the hierarchy of classes 1.3, in regard to the Models >>> for example. >>> >> >> >> Indeed I've disable TaskBarMorph in my image as it's useless now :) >> > > > Great!!! > > I'll be honest, this is my first serious development in Squeak / Pharo, so > it gives me much encouragement your comment, there is still much to learn > and improve, but it is very encouraging to devote time to something that > might be useful to others. > > > > >> >> >> Laurent. >> >> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I've merge some of your changes in TWM-LaurentLaffont.5 >>>> >>> >>> >>> :) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> >>>> >>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/5/26 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2011/5/25 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> 2011/5/25 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Excelent! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IMHO, it's better that's not integrated to TaskBarMorph, lets it free >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> For example, click in unused space of the TWMBar and you can move it >>>>>>> around you wish in the screen, similar to use DockingBarMorph>>beFloating. I >>>>>>> attach screenshot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laurent, I improved (or not? :)) your work, if you think that is bad >>>>>>> for TWM simply undo it ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Feel free to play. Just try to write tests for TilingWM please :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ok. I load a new version to ss. Now teh button tile visible windows >>>>> only. I fixed the test... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> For TWMBar I'm not sure this will be a final GUI. Ideally all will be >>>>>> keyboard driven, I have to play with KeyMapping. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> yes, sure. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I also think the UI theme Patrick has cleaned fits better with >>>>>> TilingWM: >>>>>> >>>>>> To try it: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gofer it >>>>>> squeaksource: 'PBASandbox'; >>>>>> package: 'PBSandbox'; >>>>>> load. >>>>>> StandardUITheme beCurrent. >>>>>> >>>>>> See screenshot. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I try, yes. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Patrick, could you push this with a nice package name ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Laurent. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011/5/25 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now there's a button to open the world menu. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>>>>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>>> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:20 AM, laurent laffont < >>>>>>>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>>>>>>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I do not understand. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> how can I get a browser? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey, this is just a start :) I will add a button to open the world >>>>>>>>> menu. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> once this is one is created I get the browser full screen >>>>>>>>>> but then how do I get a chance to create a new one if I want. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> dividing the browsers based on the screen size results in rather >>>>>>>>>> small browsers :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yes, but because browsers waste space IMHO. Maybe we could get rid >>>>>>>>> of windows borders when tiled. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laurent. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > TWMBar new open. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > The real manager is TilingWM. Try: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > (TilingWM forWorld: World) tileVisibleWindows. >>>>>>>>>> > (TilingWM forWorld: World) tileBrowsers. >>>>>>>>>> > (TilingWM forWorld: World) tileWorkspaces. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by merlyn＠stonehenge.com

>>>>> "Casimiro" == Casimiro de Almeida Barreto <casimiro.barreto(a)gmail.com> writes: Casimiro> Anyways, I just don't think that leaving Android aside is a Casimiro> good idea. And on that, we can agree. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Casimiro de Almeida Barreto

Em 26-05-2011 14:40, Randal L. Schwartz escreveu: > (...) > Toon> +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) > > As long as the UI designers in the open source camp are few and far > between (yes, "gimp", I'm looking at you), I don't think Apple has much > to worry about. Apple products will continue to interoperate better and > *look* better than anything the open source community can muster. > Agreed about "look&feel" and interoperability. But there are lots of things that go beyond that (otherwise Microsoft would be reigning souverain in the field of mobile and that's just not the case). Regarding Apple, long term is not all that safe for the company relies strongly in the ingeniousness of Mr. Jobs and everybody knows what happened when he left the company... Comparing platforms, iOS is a Kawasaki Ninja 1000cc of the mobile devices OS and Android is something between a Honda CG125/250cc. But there's a huge market for small Hondas :) Anyways, I just don't think that leaving Android aside is a good idea. CdAB

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain

by Alexandre Bergel

Excellent synergy! Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 13:48, Lorenzo Schiavina wrote: > Hi Stef, > > today I spoke to the dean of my faculty who was very positive about the posibility to create an ESUG Italy group. > > He told me to set it up inside our Universtity (UniversitÃ Cattolica di Brescia - FacoltÃ di fisica, matematica e Informatica). > > He will address you personally very soon for organizing a meeting with people from Pharo in the last quarter of the year. > > If you do not receive any mail from him within 15 - 30 days, please, keep me informed. > > Ciao > > Lorenzo > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain > > > >> Hi Stef, >> >> I am in contact with an university in Italy; I do not know what you are meaning with "host a lecture", but if I can help, please tell me. > > ESUG has a program to send teacher to teach Smalltalk in University or related places. We can use this program if people wants to get lectures on OOP and Smalltalk. > So if you have connection and people wants to get in touch with smalltalk but are afraid to do so, then we can do something :) > > Stef > >> >> Lorenzo >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> Cc: "NicolÃ¡s Paez" <nicopaez(a)gmail.com> >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:10 AM >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain >> >> >> Hi rafael >> >> >> Thanks for helping for the translation. are in the spanish speaking mailing-lists? >> I will probably do a lecture before the esug conference at edinburgh. Are you planning to attend ESUG? >> Tell us what could be done to help you. Do you have contact with any university where we could host a lecture? >> would remtote pair programming help you? >> >> Stef >> >> >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I'm a software developer with experience mainly based on Java EE and, in the last years, also Groovy and Grails. I'm interesed in Smalltalk and their related frameworks several years ago, so I'm trying to learn about Smalltalk, Pharo, Seaside, etc. by myself. I'm participating in the Pharo By Example translation to spanish and implementing the katas from 12meses12katas [1] chalenge in Pharo. >>> >>> In spite of my efforts I'm still far away to be fluent in Smalltalk and I think the interchange with other Smalltalkers could be of great help in my way of learning. For this reason I would like to meet other Smalltalkers in the Madrid area, and perhaps we could organize an Smalltalk User Group in Madrid. Please, anyone is interested? >>> >>> [1] http://www.12meses12katas.com/ >> >> >> >> > > > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain

by Lorenzo Schiavina

Hi Stef, today I spoke to the dean of my faculty who was very positive about the posibility to create an ESUG Italy group. He told me to set it up inside our Universtity (UniversitÃ Cattolica di Brescia - FacoltÃ di fisica, matematica e Informatica). He will address you personally very soon for organizing a meeting with people from Pharo in the last quarter of the year. If you do not receive any mail from him within 15 - 30 days, please, keep me informed. Ciao Lorenzo ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain > Hi Stef, > > I am in contact with an university in Italy; I do not know what you are > meaning with "host a lecture", but if I can help, please tell me. ESUG has a program to send teacher to teach Smalltalk in University or related places. We can use this program if people wants to get lectures on OOP and Smalltalk. So if you have connection and people wants to get in touch with smalltalk but are afraid to do so, then we can do something :) Stef > > Lorenzo > ----- Original Message ----- From: "StÃ©phane Ducasse" > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > To: <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Cc: "NicolÃ¡s Paez" <nicopaez(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 9:10 AM > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Smalltalk/Pharo User Group in Spain > > > Hi rafael > > > Thanks for helping for the translation. are in the spanish speaking > mailing-lists? > I will probably do a lecture before the esug conference at edinburgh. Are > you planning to attend ESUG? > Tell us what could be done to help you. Do you have contact with any > university where we could host a lecture? > would remtote pair programming help you? > > Stef > > >> >> Hi all, >> >> I'm a software developer with experience mainly based on Java EE and, in >> the last years, also Groovy and Grails. I'm interesed in Smalltalk and >> their related frameworks several years ago, so I'm trying to learn about >> Smalltalk, Pharo, Seaside, etc. by myself. I'm participating in the Pharo >> By Example translation to spanish and implementing the katas from >> 12meses12katas [1] chalenge in Pharo. >> >> In spite of my efforts I'm still far away to be fluent in Smalltalk and I >> think the interchange with other Smalltalkers could be of great help in >> my way of learning. For this reason I would like to meet other >> Smalltalkers in the Madrid area, and perhaps we could organize an >> Smalltalk User Group in Madrid. Please, anyone is interested? >> >> [1] http://www.12meses12katas.com/ > > > >

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by merlyn＠stonehenge.com

>>>>> "Toon" == Toon Verwaest <toon.verwaest(a)gmail.com> writes: >> In the long term I think Android will win this "championship". Toon> +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) As long as the UI designers in the open source camp are few and far between (yes, "gimp", I'm looking at you), I don't think Apple has much to worry about. Apple products will continue to interoperate better and *look* better than anything the open source community can muster. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Esteban Lorenzano

"In the long run we are all dead" ;) (sorry, I couldn't resist it) El 26/05/2011, a las 2:20p.m., Toon Verwaest escribiÃ³: > >> Clearly Apple has a restrictive police on development and >> commercialization of products for the iOS platform. It is not related >> only to development language/environment but also content. Apple censors >> and decides what can and what cannot be put in "their" (should be their >> customers) tablets/phones/iPods (kind: no porno, no political, no >> certain kinds of violence, etc). >> >> One thing that amazes me is that currently there are two contestants to >> the "Tablet& Smartphone World Grand Prix": iOS and Android but people >> in the SqueakVM/CogVM communities are centered only around a single >> "monopolist" manufacturer. IMHO it would be good to have SqueakVM/CogVM >> decently running in Android (>= 2.1). >> >> In the long term I think Android will win this "championship". > +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;) >

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Toon Verwaest

> Clearly Apple has a restrictive police on development and > commercialization of products for the iOS platform. It is not related > only to development language/environment but also content. Apple censors > and decides what can and what cannot be put in "their" (should be their > customers) tablets/phones/iPods (kind: no porno, no political, no > certain kinds of violence, etc). > > One thing that amazes me is that currently there are two contestants to > the "Tablet& Smartphone World Grand Prix": iOS and Android but people > in the SqueakVM/CogVM communities are centered only around a single > "monopolist" manufacturer. IMHO it would be good to have SqueakVM/CogVM > decently running in Android (>= 2.1). > > In the long term I think Android will win this "championship". +1... but don't say it too loudly; it might wake up the fanboys ;)

May 26, 2011