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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] cog vm for iOS

by merlyn＠stonehenge.com

>>>>> "Chris" == Chris Cunnington <smalltalktelevision(a)gmail.com> writes: Chris> There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never Chris> be. I'm beyond caring at this point. That's a bit misleading. At last count, there were *four* iphone apps from John Mcintosh in the app store that are absolutely squeak. What you *can't* do in the app store is provide programmibility to the end user, especially being able to download apps that aren't from the app store for your interpreter. But you're more than welcome to use Squeak (leveraging from John's work) to build iPhone apps. I hope more come along. Please limit the FUD. Thank you. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

May 27, 2011

[Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Chris Cunnington

>About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) >made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any >information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this >might leverage smalltalk development on Android? http://code.google.com/p/squeak-android-vm/ I bought a Xoom on Monday and downloaded Squeak onto it from Android Market. It works. It's very small. And there's no keyboard. There is no Squeak on the Apple App Store and likely will never be. I'm beyond caring at this point. You need to download the Android SDK and then because you're building a non-Java app you need to download the NDK (N for Native.) All of this is built into Eclipse. Andreas provides all the files you load into the NDK/jni compiling suite. You get a set of vm C files for compiling. He wrote one that bridges to Android called squeakvm.c. Then you compile a file called libsqueakvm.so. He's included an image, which for reasons I haven't reached yet has been sliced into 12 1M pieces. He also wrote some Java files, which act as a wrapper between Android and Squeak. They handle the Android "Aspect" and "Intent" or something. I just got the books so it's a bit hazy. Oh, the Dalvik debugger is essential. And RFB is used for some reason I can't fathom yet. And development happens using an emulator provided by the Android SDK. Whether I'm supposed to build or find the device description (the AVD - for Android Virtual Device) at this point that describes the Xoom, I'm not sure. It's a pretty fun exploration. Now you know all I do. Really, I just want to make the screen bigger. That's related to this in squeakvm.c: sqInt ioScreenSize(void) { return ( 800<< 16 ) | (600) } I have no idea how a left bit shift produces a screen size near the 300x200 pixels that I get on my Xoom. But if I knew what I was doing I wouldn't do it. Chris

May 27, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Casimiro de Almeida Barreto

Em 26-05-2011 19:28, Markus Fritsche escreveu: > About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) > made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any > information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this > might leverage smalltalk development on Android? It is operational minus input methods and other things... I haven't tried many things since it's difficult to work without input methods working properly. Anyways Andreas did a lot of work (understood how to fit image to Android constraints, etc) and whoever upgrades what's already done must be thankful to him. > The poor man's android application in Pharo might be using a seaside > image and facilitating the android browser displaying content, the > bigger approach being a vm that provides a snappy interface to > something like Dr. Geo. Once the initial pain (once again, how was the > Android UI to Morphic done - polling java to a squeak image?) is > gotten over with, there is some potential - if we could keep the > memory footprint down a litte ;-) > > Talking about Andreas, unfortunately Balloon3D is not working on pharo... I'm developing some little stuff that's using B3D... :( Not portable at the moment.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Horizontal scrolling and mouse wheel

by Alexandre Bergel

I think it comes from an old VM I am using. It seems to not be supported by Cog, which is a good thing in my case. Sorry for bothering. Cheers, Alexandre On 26 May 2011, at 17:04, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Hi! > > Apparently, one can the horizontal wheel is taken into account in Pharo. Where this happen? > I see this when I am in a text pane. Moving the horizontal wheel moves the cursor caret. > > I would like to disable this since it is not really manageable with a magic mouse. > > Any idea? > > Cheers, > Alexandre > -- > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] cog vm for iOS

by Markus Fritsche

About Android: A Squeak version by Andreas Raab (proof of concept) made it to the market, but seems to be unmaintained. Is there any information, about how it was done, what the caveats are and how this might leverage smalltalk development on Android? The poor man's android application in Pharo might be using a seaside image and facilitating the android browser displaying content, the bigger approach being a vm that provides a snappy interface to something like Dr. Geo. Once the initial pain (once again, how was the Android UI to Morphic done - polling java to a squeak image?) is gotten over with, there is some potential - if we could keep the memory footprint down a litte ;-)

May 26, 2011

[Pharo-project] tab and OCompletion

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! When I press tab to complete a word, the cursor caret goes down of one line. This almost makes it unusable. Any rational why it changed recently? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Tiling windows

by GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio

:) 2011/5/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> > - Now loads in PharoCore > - more tests > - fill all space even if number of windows is not square. > > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > 2011/5/26 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> > >> >> 2011/5/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >> >>> 2011/5/26 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 2011/5/26 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>> >>>>> GastÃ²n, >>>>> >>>>> I've downloaded the new version - thanks a lot for contributing, it >>>>> brings fun :) >>>>> >>>>> Some comment: >>>>> >>>>> - tiling browsers don't work any more with >>>>> OB, WMWithAnOBBrowserAndDockingBarsTest does not create an OBBrowser anymore >>>>> but a Browser >>>>> >>>> >>>> In 1.3 core there's not OBBrowser, then, when trying to modify a method >>>> with reference to OBBrowser obtained an error. So I remove their references. >>>> >>> >>> >>> I see. I will refactor this so it will be compatible with Core and still >>> work with OB (quite easy). >>> >> >> >> This would be great, because now I think, in a core are never the most >> useful tools (Seaside control panel, memory monitor), and TWM should know >> about them in some way (you apply a pattern to solve this problem?). >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >>>> - you've changed TilingWM>>visibleWindows to TilingWM>>windows. The >>>>> "visible" was not innocent, because tileVisibleWindows cares about windows >>>>> that are not minimized. On the other side, tileWorkspaces tile all >>>>> workspaces, minimized or not. So I think in final we may have: >>>>> >>>>> #tileVisibleWindows >>>>> #tileWindows (maybe #tileAllWindows is a better name) >>>>> #tileVisibleWorkspaces >>>>> #tileWorkspaces / #tileAllWorkspaces >>>>> ...... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Please, see you the comment in de versiÃ³n 5 of de package, "Now all >>>> botton tile visibles windows.". I think it's better to just get organized >>>> visible windows, even when done on a particular kind (such as workspaces). >>>> For this is that the word was redundant now visible. >>>> >>> >>> >>> I will think about this. >>> >> >> When you have many windows, minimizing them is the way to let them >> "suspended", therefore I think it should be organized only visibles. >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> - I will add tests to TWMBar finally as it seems to grow >>>>> >>>>> - I want TilingWM to be 100% test coverage >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sorry, give me some time for learn about this... >>>> >>> >>> >>> Don't hesitate to ask. >>> >>> >> ok. >> >> >>> >>> - Balloon and spaces for TWMBar is a good idea - we need to make this >>>>> work effectively :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> yes >>>> >>>> >>>>> - Great to have all the buttons per type of applications ! >>>>> >>>> >>>> it is still very rudimentary way to filter the windows, but it was >>>> helpful to learn about the hierarchy of classes 1.3, in regard to the Models >>>> for example. >>>> >>> >>> >>> Indeed I've disable TaskBarMorph in my image as it's useless now :) >>> >> >> >> Great!!! >> >> I'll be honest, this is my first serious development in Squeak / Pharo, so >> it gives me much encouragement your comment, there is still much to learn >> and improve, but it is very encouraging to devote time to something that >> might be useful to others. >> >> >> >> >>> >>> >>> Laurent. >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've merge some of your changes in TWM-LaurentLaffont.5 >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> :) >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> >>>>> >>>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>>> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2011/5/26 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2011/5/25 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>> 2011/5/25 GastÃ³n Dall' Oglio <gaston.dalloglio(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Excelent! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> IMHO, it's better that's not integrated to TaskBarMorph, lets it >>>>>>>> free :) >>>>>>>> For example, click in unused space of the TWMBar and you can move it >>>>>>>> around you wish in the screen, similar to use DockingBarMorph>>beFloating. I >>>>>>>> attach screenshot. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laurent, I improved (or not? :)) your work, if you think that is bad >>>>>>>> for TWM simply undo it ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Feel free to play. Just try to write tests for TilingWM please :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> ok. I load a new version to ss. Now teh button tile visible windows >>>>>> only. I fixed the test... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> For TWMBar I'm not sure this will be a final GUI. Ideally all will be >>>>>>> keyboard driven, I have to play with KeyMapping. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> yes, sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I also think the UI theme Patrick has cleaned fits better with >>>>>>> TilingWM: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To try it: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gofer it >>>>>>> squeaksource: 'PBASandbox'; >>>>>>> package: 'PBSandbox'; >>>>>>> load. >>>>>>> StandardUITheme beCurrent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> See screenshot. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I try, yes. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Patrick, could you push this with a nice package name ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Laurent. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2011/5/25 laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now there's a button to open the world menu. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>>>>>>>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>>>>>>>> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:20 AM, laurent laffont < >>>>>>>>> laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >>>>>>>>>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I do not understand. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> how can I get a browser? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey, this is just a start :) I will add a button to open the >>>>>>>>>> world menu. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> once this is one is created I get the browser full screen >>>>>>>>>>> but then how do I get a chance to create a new one if I want. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dividing the browsers based on the screen size results in rather >>>>>>>>>>> small browsers :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> yes, but because browsers waste space IMHO. Maybe we could get rid >>>>>>>>>> of windows borders when tiled. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Laurent. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Stef >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> > TWMBar new open. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > The real manager is TilingWM. Try: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > (TilingWM forWorld: World) tileVisibleWindows. >>>>>>>>>>> > (TilingWM forWorld: World) tileBrowsers. >>>>>>>>>>> > (TilingWM forWorld: World) tileWorkspaces. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [update 1.3] #13216

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

marcus I can check the problem that stefan mentioned since I should change anyway the initialize method Stef On May 26, 2011, at 11:25 AM, Marcus Denker wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:15 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse > <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> 13216 >> ----- >> >> - Issue 4277: cleaning and fixing textMorph. >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4277 >> - Issue 4272: commandLineInput on Windows >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4272 >> - Issue 4276: Clean up ToolsBuilder a little... >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4276 >> - Issue 4233: to get stdout and others >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4233 >> >> you will get a popup but this is normal. There were some dirty packages and I did not see that >> when I started. > > I will retract this update as it is broken. We will add the issues > back later again in a new update > (13217 likely, as I want to do a quick update to check that retracting > was successful) > > -- > Marcus Denker -- denker(a)acm.org > http://www.marcusdenker.de >

May 26, 2011

[Pharo-project] Horizontal scrolling and mouse wheel

by Alexandre Bergel

Hi! Apparently, one can the horizontal wheel is taken into account in Pharo. Where this happen? I see this when I am in a text pane. Moving the horizontal wheel moves the cursor caret. I would like to disable this since it is not really manageable with a magic mouse. Any idea? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

May 26, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 68#2 MultiTextComposer

by Alain Plantec

Le 26/05/2011 22:34, laurent laffont a Ã©crit : > Alain, you know this too :) ? :) not so much but I will try Alain > > Laurent > > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:51 PM, laurent laffont > <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com <mailto:laurent.laffont@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Today: MultiTextComposer > > > Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment > Rules: > #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best > comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). > #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. > Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest > > Laurent > >

May 26, 2011