May 2011 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] SVN vs Git for the cogvm

by Norbert Hartl

Am 03.05.2011 um 08:07 schrieb Sean Allen: > > > On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> wrote: > >>>>> "Igor" == Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Igor> Stef, you sound like you re some kind of standard to measure of > Igor> minimal capability to understand things :) > > The more I understand git, the more I grow to hate SVN. > > And I hate SVN quite a lot now. :) > > > There's a lot to hate but... it could be CVS. > Which I liked much better than SCCS. > That is what I always like to remind myself of. Exactly. There are features _and_ important features. The last ones you need really the former need grows just in your head :) Norbert

May 3, 2011

[Pharo-project] Just starting out

by Torsten Bergmann

http://omasko.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/just-starting-out "Ultimately, we ended up in Pharo, an environment I havenât really had the opportunity to spend much time with. After some bad experiences with Squeak a few years ago, Iâve tended to stick with the old standards, but I was pleasantly surprised with the current state of Pharo, and given that much of the current innovation in the Smalltalk world is coming from Pharo, itâs not a bad place to start a newcomer." -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SVN vs Git for the cogvm

by Sean Allen

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com>wrote: > >>>>> "Igor" == Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Igor> Stef, you sound like you re some kind of standard to measure of > Igor> minimal capability to understand things :) > > The more I understand git, the more I grow to hate SVN. > > And I hate SVN quite a lot now. :) > > There's a lot to hate but... it could be CVS. That is what I always like to remind myself of.

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SVN vs Git for the cogvm

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

LOL But I can tell that I hated when sbe changed under my feets from svn to git. And I hate learning stupid thing like 0 is true or false btw. stef > On 3 May 2011 00:46, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> +1 >> >> the difference of implications of the tool in terms of social and sharing is much more important than the tools. >> >> Eliot even me I can understand and use git > > Stef, you sound like you re some kind of standard to measure of > minimal capability to understand things :) > > IF so, then a complexity measure can be expressed as: > > C = K / stefs > > then if something has complexity C <= 1, it is guaranteed the anyone > could understand it (including Stef). > > And if C > 1 then depending of how much Stefs score you have, you will > be able to understand it or not, > and of course for anything with C > 1 , Stef won't be able to get it > without external help :). > > Now the problem is how to measure how much stefs score each person has :) > > >> git pull >> git commit -am >> git push >> >> stef >> >>>>> Since it is quite a hassle each time to merge the svn history to the git repos, which I think is a bit of useless repetitive work which could be avoided. >>>>> I think it would be nice if you could switch to git as well, actually there is not much difference to svn, and with some nice macros you can make behave almost the same... >>>> >>>> It's a hastle for me to change. >>> sure, but all of us changed as well, which is at least 10 to 1 ;). >>> >>>> Surely you can set-up some script that pings the Cog branch every ten minutes and does the replication to got automatically. >>> >>> Well merging does not work fully automated, so there is some human interaction involved. >>> And SVN is not really about collaboration, which is not so nice. >>> >>>> I don't want to change all my process just yet. >>> >>> so when do you intend to change your process yet? >>> You should get the basics in 5mins, most of the rest can be solved with compatibility configurations (which I will provide ;) free of charge), and the rest just works more stable than svn. >>> >>> So would be a cool step towards a more community based VM IMO. >>> >>> -(~_~)- >>> camillo >>> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Just starting out

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

We should continue doing :) Tx torsten for the mail Stef On May 3, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > http://omasko.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/just-starting-out > > > "Ultimately, we ended up in Pharo, an environment I havenât really had the opportunity to spend much time with. After some bad experiences with Squeak a few years ago, Iâve tended to stick with the old standards, but I was pleasantly surprised with the current state of Pharo, and given that much of the current innovation in the Smalltalk world is coming from Pharo, itâs not a bad place to start a newcomer." > -- > Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir > belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de >

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] add temp does not add the temp in 1.3 13179

by Lukas Renggli

This is already broken in Pharo 1.2. Lukas On Monday, 2 May 2011, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Hi guys > > I do not know how many of you are coding in 1.3 but when the system asks me to add > if I want to add a temp, the temp does not show up. > > Stef > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] add temp does not add the temp in 1.3 13179

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

strange I program a lot and I did not see it in 1.3 before recently Stef On May 3, 2011, at 7:53 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > This is already broken in Pharo 1.2. > > Lukas > > On Monday, 2 May 2011, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> Hi guys >> >> I do not know how many of you are coding in 1.3 but when the system asks me to add >> if I want to add a temp, the temp does not show up. >> >> Stef >> > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch >

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PharoCore 1.3 built stalled

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

excellent good night igor (or good day sleeping) On May 3, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 3 May 2011 00:49, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> it is my fault but I have no idea how to solve it. >> A package was loading over an already existing one and you get a pop up. >> > > i have a fix for it. > See #4075 > > it makes sure that no matter what current UI manager you using > (running image headless or not) > a system startup (all classes startup) is _always_ performed using > non-interactive UI manager. > > So, since CommandLine file-in scripts during startup, this will make > sure that it will run non-interactively. > > >> Stef >> >> On May 2, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >>> On 2 May 2011 23:26, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 2 May 2011 23:13, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Last built started more than 1 day ago and not finished .... >>>>> Laurent. >>>> >>>> This is not good. I killed the jobs. Lets see if it will repeat again. >>>> >>> >>> Okay the problem is that there is a warning and it is handled by >>> MorphicUIManager, >>> instead of NonInteractiveUIManager which just forcing it to always >>> proceed, while morphic one >>> expects user to press proceed or abandon. >>> >>> So, the problem is with an update of >>> progressTitle: 'Loading 13179-Pha-PlentyOfCleans...' >>> >>> >>> But i don't undestand why it not switched to NonInteractiveUIManager >>> at image startup. >>> Aha.. i guess i know why. >>> Is its not because command line stuff that are triggered at image >>> startup, which tries to evaluate some code >>> before full startup procedure completes? >>> >>> A command line , i think should be changed to start loading external >>> code only after >>> everything else is started (including UI manager). >>> Otherwise we will have problems like that. >>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >>> >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [COTDC] 57 - ColorMap

by Chris Cunningham

Is this the class that is responsible for white becoming not-white, and black not-black, when moving from a lower 16 to 32 bits? -Chris

May 3, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] SVN vs Git for the cogvm

by merlyn＠stonehenge.com

>>>>> "Igor" == Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> writes: Igor> Stef, you sound like you re some kind of standard to measure of Igor> minimal capability to understand things :) The more I understand git, the more I grow to hate SVN. And I hate SVN quite a lot now. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

May 3, 2011