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Re: [Pharo-project] documentation searchability (was "Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry")

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Craig Latta <craig(a)netjam.org> wrote: > > > ...we will convert our lovely books from pdf to html-crap. > > Please do keep the PDFs crawlable by search engines, though. I get > PDF hits in my search results all the time, and I appreciate being able > to see the layout the way the authors intended. My PDF viewer can search > through the text just fine, too. > > +1 > > thanks again for the books! > > -C > > -- > Craig Latta > www.netjam.org/resume > +31 06 2757 7177 > + 1 415 287 3547 > > > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 7, 2011

[Pharo-project] Fwd: [Esug-list] job opportunity

by Mariano Martinez Peck

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David West <davew(a)transcendencecorporation.com> Date: Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM Subject: [Esug-list] job opportunity To: esug-list(a)lists.esug.org My apologies for the short lead time, but I need a person that is very conversant with Squeak-Seaside-Pharo-Pier-GLASS plus an interest and ability to quickly learn and mentor others in web-mobile languages and tools. Will be working with English speakers, so facility in that language is essential. The person must be able to be in New Mexico, US, from May 23 to July 29. You will be working 6-8 hours a day, Monday through Thursday - teaching, mentoring, developing projects (list below) and overseeing my software Studio when I am in London Jun 4-19. Compensation: Approximately $10K USD plus health benefits for the two-months. If you like the work and are good at it, the position can be converted to a one-year, renewable annually, as a visiting professor (at least a Masters degree is required). The annual salary will be approximated $60K USD plus benefits. An ownership interest in the products being developed is also available - as a supplement to the academic salary. Applications we will be working on, priority order -- technology: 1) iPad app for the Bradbury Museum at Los Alamos National Labs -- XCode - cocoa based framework 2) an outcomes assessment app for Highlands University -- Web ecology (HTML, CSS, PHP, MySQL, Javascript) 3) itsYourRep - an achievement profile / portfolio Web App - very similar to #2 -- GLASS 4) confirmOwnership - for paying client, tracks ownership interests in investments, etc. -- Seaside or GLASS 5) ambientAgile -- an app using cameras and projectors to create a distributed 'agile wall' -- not sure, start with Squeak-Seaside 6) Web-based subset of Behavior! Seaside or GLASS 7) Infrastructure for Software Design Studios - content management plus Web presence - Seaside / Pier / GLASS I must find a person very quickly, so if you are interested, please email me and we can arrange a phone call to discuss the opportunity. David West New Mexico Highlands University dmwest(a)nmhu.edu profwest(a)fastmail.fm 01-505-231-7233 _______________________________________________ Esug-list mailing list Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry

by Toon Verwaest

> I do agree that we could do something in this regard. But given that > we could "do something" almost everywhere, it is hard to say if this > topic should take priority. Currently my plate is full. So, its not > about that there are someone says "no we don't want it ", > its mainly about lack of resources. And in addition, the whole OOPSLA world is working on it already so ... why bother ;P

May 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry

by Igor Stasenko

On 7 May 2011 14:34, Michael Haupt <mhaupt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Igor, > > Am 07.05.2011 um 13:37 schrieb Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >>> What market are you talking about? There are lots and lots of customers of >>> certain big database/appliance vendors that would loudly protest had the >>> stuff they bought no inherent support for parallel execution. >> >> So, where those customers to sponsor development of VM(s) they need so much? > > for the market you probably have in mind, I do not know. Perhaps that market is not so interesting after all. > i think that market of 'web-toys' is much wider than market of 'highly-parrallel supercomputing'. And its not my fault that web-toyers know little and usually don't care about parallelism.. until they grow too big to start considering it.. but it happens to 0.001% of them. Everyone prefer cheap and fast solutions. And making own program to exploit massive parallelism is not cheap nor fast :) It is definitely harder than writing program using plain sequential algorithms. >> I am not talking about hardware, i'm talking about software. It is >> largely not using parallelism, >> or using it wrong. > > That is precisely my point. > >> >>> Is it really *that* hard or is this just FUD? >> >> Its not that hard. But if you take the previous paragraph into account... > > So it is about fear. Which in turn means that it would take some fearless individuals (not necessarily leaders). I'm not afraid of parallelism, and think it would be an interesting and worthwhile experiment. Stefan would probably agree, and he has some experience with an older Squeak image. I'm sure you agree. How about it, guys? ;-) > I do agree that we could do something in this regard. But given that we could "do something" almost everywhere, it is hard to say if this topic should take priority. Currently my plate is full. So, its not about that there are someone says "no we don't want it ", its mainly about lack of resources. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry

by Igor Stasenko

On 7 May 2011 10:41, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > Too bad. The eclipse license is not for us. > I'm not a lawyer, but reading it, it looks like this license are compatible with MIT. > Now do you imply that Process should use your primitive? > > Stef > >> On 07 May 2011, at 09:19, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> when and where did you announce that? >>> Where is the code? >> >> http://forum.world.st/RoarVM-The-Manycore-SqueakVM-td3025321.html >> >> And here the MVC compatibility code: >> Â https://github.com/smarr/RoarVM/raw/master/image.st/RVM-multicore-support.m… >> >> And there is even a file for minimal Pharo compatibility: >> Â https://github.com/smarr/RoarVM/raw/master/image.st/RVM-multicore-support.p… >> >> >> -- >> Stefan Marr >> Software Languages Lab >> Vrije Universiteit Brussel >> Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium >> http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr >> Phone: +32 2 629 2974 >> Fax: Â +32 2 629 3525 >> >> > > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

May 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] PBE in HTML [was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry]

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 6:51 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 5:30 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> I installed pdf to html but I could not make it run :( > > > htlatex seems OK, we can start with this. Need to supply a nice CSS though. > I will try to find some time to play with (help always welcome :) > > Take into account that you have the CSS of the pbe website: http://pharobyexample.org/ Ok, it is not that much heheheh but something is better than nothing ;) > Laurent. > > > >> On May 6, 2011, at 2:05 PM, laurent laffont wrote: >> >> > On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:56 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> > Ok if some good souls want to give a try to generate html. >> > >> > >> > On OSX with MacTex-2010 installed, I've tried >> > >> > git clone --depth 1 >> https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoByExample-english.git >> > cd PharoByExample-english/ >> > htlatex PBE1.tex "html,2" >> > >> > Then open PBE1.html , one page per chapter. >> > >> > See http://www.tug.org/applications/tex4ht/mn-commands.html >> > >> > Laurent. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Stef >> > >> > >> > >> > > Probably we should find a way to generate HTML from PDF or Latex. >> > > Any ideas? >> > > >> > > I've used latex2html several years ago. >> > > >> > > +1 for html >> > > >> > > Laurent. >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help documentation >> for any part of the system? >> > > >>>> Or a bug fix? >> > > >>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We >> welcome comments/examples help. >> > > >>> No need to get into a cat-fight here :) >> > > >> >> > > >> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help? >> > > >> >> > > >>> I do agree with Stefan, as well as with you that we could help; >> but I'm unaware of a good documentation effort outside of the image to start >> with. Camillo's website project might be the best effort I've seen until >> now; but then I didn't really look either. Maybe I missed some great >> website? >> > > >> >> > > >> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call >> that a documentation. >> > > >> Now we can take the book contents and generate html >> > > >> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second one. >> > > >> People are free to join and write one or two chapters. >> > > > >> > > > StÃ©phane, >> > > > >> > > > Of course you are right: wining/complaining doesn't help, only >> action does. We need more people like Laurent focusing on documentation. >> > > > >> > > > I for one think that the well written, high quality books that exist >> (PBE, Seaside Book) are *very valuable*, much better than confusing wiki >> site (although these have their place as well). >> > > > >> > > > But the other point is: in most other popular languages, what >> current, young developers do, when they get an error that they don't >> understand is copy/paste the literal text in Google and in a surprisingly >> large number of cases you find some real answers in the first page. >> > > > >> > > > This is also related to popularity of course. >> > > > >> > > > Sven >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

May 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] documentation searchability (was "Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry")

by Craig Latta

> ...we will convert our lovely books from pdf to html-crap. Please do keep the PDFs crawlable by search engines, though. I get PDF hits in my search results all the time, and I appreciate being able to see the layout the way the authors intended. My PDF viewer can search through the text just fine, too. thanks again for the books! -C -- Craig Latta www.netjam.org/resume +31 06 2757 7177 + 1 415 287 3547

May 7, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry

by Michael Haupt

Hi Igor, Am 07.05.2011 um 13:37 schrieb Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com>: >> What market are you talking about? There are lots and lots of customers of >> certain big database/appliance vendors that would loudly protest had the >> stuff they bought no inherent support for parallel execution. > > So, where those customers to sponsor development of VM(s) they need so much? for the market you probably have in mind, I do not know. Perhaps that market is not so interesting after all. > I am not talking about hardware, i'm talking about software. It is > largely not using parallelism, > or using it wrong. That is precisely my point. > >> Is it really *that* hard or is this just FUD? > > Its not that hard. But if you take the previous paragraph into account... So it is about fear. Which in turn means that it would take some fearless individuals (not necessarily leaders). I'm not afraid of parallelism, and think it would be an interesting and worthwhile experiment. Stefan would probably agree, and he has some experience with an older Squeak image. I'm sure you agree. How about it, guys? ;-) > Best, Michael

May 7, 2011

[Pharo-project] RoarVM (Was: Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry)

by Stefan Marr

On 07 May 2011, at 10:41, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Too bad. The eclipse license is not for us. I know, other reason to 'steal' the ideas and integrate them into Cog. And I can't do that, because all code that is derived from what we do with the RoarVM will probably need to be EPL (as far as I understand, but I am not a lawyer...) However, I don't see a problem in guiding someone... > > Now do you imply that Process should use your primitive? The lengthy discussion is available here: (and in the mailing list archives) Multiprocessor Smalltalk: A Case Study of a Multiprocessor-Based Programming Environment by Joseph Pallas, and David Ungar, in Proceedings of the ACM SIGPLAN 1988 Conference on Programming Language Design and Implementation, ACM (1988), p. 268-277. http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=54017 The short version: There is exactly one important primitive in the VM: to determine the process that is locally executed. And the image needs to be adapted to get rid of the activeProcess semantic of being a singleton. Following Pallas, that is thisProcess in our code, and that needs to be used for getting the locally executing process. That requires some adaptations here and there like in the debugger. The other primitives are for greater flexibility. Best regards Stefan -- Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525

May 7, 2011

[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13184

by stephane ducasse

13184 ----- - Issue 4162: AbstractTool. Thanks Benjamin van Ryseghem. - Issue 4156: New widgets for senders/implementors. Thanks Benjamin van Ryseghem. - Issue 4163: RecentSubmission with Flat Browser. Thanks Benjamin van Ryseghem. One step more to get rid of StringHolder crap. We will get there. Stef

May 7, 2011