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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Mariano Martinez Peck

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 10:18 -0700, Geert Claes a Ã©crit : > > Great stuff! I realize it is still a work in progress so just a couple > of > > questions: > > - How about compare versions? > This is still missing, but planned. > > > - Non Smalltalk resource files? > That's a good question. I don't have an answer for that right now. > > Don't forget that this is a replacement for SqueakSource, not Monticello ;) > Cheers, > Nicolas > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] Re: [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Esteban Lorenzano

...and I suppose the final url won't be http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/ neither, but something like: http://smalltalkhub.st/ :) Nicolas, this is really great work!!!! Cheers, Esteban El 19/04/2011, a las 3:33p.m., Nicolas Petton escribiÃ³: > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : >> Great. >> >> Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most likely be deleted before the final release? >> > No, you should wait. 2 reasons: > 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should be up now ;) > 2. I can't assure you that the db won't be deleted > > Cheers, > Nicolas > >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> On 19 Apr 2011, at 20:20, laurent laffont wrote: >> >>> What I did to clone ProfStef SS repo to SH: >>> >>> Gofer it >>> squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; >>> package: 'ProfStef-Core'; >>> package: 'ProfStef-Help'; >>> package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; >>> fetch. >>> >>> Gofer it >>> url: 'http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/mc/user/laurent/ProfStef'; >>> package: 'ProfStef-Core'; >>> package: 'ProfStef-Help'; >>> package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; >>> push. >>> >>> >>> Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs >>> >>> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ >>> Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ >>> Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are happy to announce the first public demo of SmalltalkHub: >>> http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr >>> >>> You can explore SmalltalkHub at: >>> http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore >>> >>> This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing purposes only. >>> Several features that will be included in the final release are missing, >>> especially: >>> >>> - Team management >>> - Client-side scripting features >>> - Full commit lists >>> >>> Still incomplete features: >>> - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list of forks is >>> missing >>> - The issue tracker is only partly implemented >>> - Several admin tools are missing >>> - The explore page misses a few things >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nicolas >>> >>> -- >>> Objectfusion S.A.R.L. >>> >>> Web application development & design >>> http://www.objectfusion.fr/en >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> >> "Being happy is a matter of choice." >> >> >> >> > > -- > Nicolas Petton > http://www.nicolas-petton.fr > >

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Nicolas Petton

Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 20:28 +0200, Tudor Girba a Ã©crit : > Great. > > Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most likely be deleted before the final release? > No, you should wait. 2 reasons: 1. I just found a bug in the db connection (Dale it should be up now ;) 2. I can't assure you that the db won't be deleted Cheers, Nicolas > Cheers, > Doru > > > On 19 Apr 2011, at 20:20, laurent laffont wrote: > > > What I did to clone ProfStef SS repo to SH: > > > > Gofer it > > squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > > fetch. > > > > Gofer it > > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/mc/user/laurent/ProfStef'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > > push. > > > > > > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs > > > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > We are happy to announce the first public demo of SmalltalkHub: > > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr > > > > You can explore SmalltalkHub at: > > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore > > > > This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing purposes only. > > Several features that will be included in the final release are missing, > > especially: > > > > - Team management > > - Client-side scripting features > > - Full commit lists > > > > Still incomplete features: > > - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list of forks is > > missing > > - The issue tracker is only partly implemented > > - Several admin tools are missing > > - The explore page misses a few things > > > > Cheers, > > Nicolas > > > > -- > > Objectfusion S.A.R.L. > > > > Web application development & design > > http://www.objectfusion.fr/en > > > > > > > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > > "Being happy is a matter of choice." > > > > -- Nicolas Petton http://www.nicolas-petton.fr

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Tudor Girba

Great. Another question: Should we move the projects now, or will they most likely be deleted before the final release? Cheers, Doru On 19 Apr 2011, at 20:20, laurent laffont wrote: > What I did to clone ProfStef SS repo to SH: > > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > fetch. > > Gofer it > url: 'http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/mc/user/laurent/ProfStef'; > package: 'ProfStef-Core'; > package: 'ProfStef-Help'; > package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; > push. > > > Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs > > Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ > Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ > Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st > > > > On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We are happy to announce the first public demo of SmalltalkHub: > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr > > You can explore SmalltalkHub at: > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore > > This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing purposes only. > Several features that will be included in the final release are missing, > especially: > > - Team management > - Client-side scripting features > - Full commit lists > > Still incomplete features: > - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list of forks is > missing > - The issue tracker is only partly implemented > - Several admin tools are missing > - The explore page misses a few things > > Cheers, > Nicolas > > -- > Objectfusion S.A.R.L. > > Web application development & design > http://www.objectfusion.fr/en > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com "Being happy is a matter of choice."

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by laurent laffont

What I did to clone ProfStef SS repo to SH: Gofer it squeaksource: 'ProfStef'; package: 'ProfStef-Core'; package: 'ProfStef-Help'; package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; fetch. Gofer it url: 'http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/mc/user/laurent/ProfStef'; package: 'ProfStef-Core'; package: 'ProfStef-Help'; package: 'ProfStef-Tests'; push. Laurent Laffont - @lolgzs <http://twitter.com/#!/lolgzs> Pharo Smalltalk Screencasts: http://www.pharocasts.com/ Blog: http://magaloma.blogspot.com/ Developer group: http://cara74.seasidehosting.st On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Hi, > > We are happy to announce the first public demo of SmalltalkHub: > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr > > You can explore SmalltalkHub at: > http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore > > This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing purposes only. > Several features that will be included in the final release are missing, > especially: > > - Team management > - Client-side scripting features > - Full commit lists > > Still incomplete features: > - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list of forks is > missing > - The issue tracker is only partly implemented > - Several admin tools are missing > - The explore page misses a few things > > Cheers, > Nicolas > > -- > Objectfusion S.A.R.L. > > Web application development & design > http://www.objectfusion.fr/en > > >

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Networking change in Pharo 1.2?

by Eliot Miranda

Hi Henrik, On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 1:23 AM, Henrik Sperre Johansen < henrik.s.johansen(a)veloxit.no> wrote: > On 17.04.2011 22:48, Chris Muller wrote: > >> I was able to work on getting Magma 1.2 going in Pharo. It was quite >> easy to get the code loaded and functioning in Pharo 1.1.1, Pharo 1.2, >> and Pharo 1.3. >> >> But something seems to have changed in Pharo's networking from 1.1.1 >> to 1.2. All Magma functionality seems to work fine for low-volume >> activity. However, when the test-suite gets to the HA test cases (at >> the end), one of the images performing heavy networking activity, >> consistently gets very slow and bogged down for some reason; causing >> the clients to timeout and disrupting the test suite. Fortunately, it >> happens in the same place in the test-suite every time. >> >> The UI of the image in question becomes VERY sluggish, but >> MessageTally spyAllOn: didn't reveal anything useful. What is it >> doing? I did verify that the Magma server in that image is still >> functioning; clients were committing, but I had to increase their >> timeouts from 10 to 45 seconds to avoid timeouts.. >> >> Unfortunately, two days of wrangling in Pharo (because I'm an old >> Squeak dog) I could not nail the problem down; but I have one >> suspect.. A couple of times, I caught a process seemingly hung up in >> NetworkNameResolver; trying to resolve an IP from 'localhost'. >> >> This exact set of Magma packages is rock-solid on Pharo 1.1.1 and >> Squeak, but that doesn't mean the problem for sure lies in Pharo 1.2; >> maybe a networking bug in 1.1.1 is allowing Magma to "misuse" the >> network and get away with it and Pharo 1.2 is now more strict? I >> don't know, I would just like to ask the experts here for help who >> know all what went into Pharo 1.2 so hopefully we can get to the >> bottom of it. >> >> Thanks, >> Chris >> >> Which VM did you run these tests on? > IIRC, Cog has a hard limit on how many external semaphores are available, > and each Socket consumes 3 of those. > Not so. The limit is soft. It can be accessed using Smalltalk vmParameterAt: 49. It defaults to 256 entries. It maxes out it 64k entries because the value set via vmParameterAt: 49 put: X persists in a short in the image header. I expect 20k sockets to be sufficient for a while, right? So if you are running on Cog, the problem when under heavy load may be that > there simpy aren't enough free external semaphores to create enough > sockets... > > Cheers, > Henry > >

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] Announcer methods are bloated

by DougEdmunds

Further bloat: This same aliasing bloat is proliferated into WeakSubscriptionBuilder, which also has 5 methods where it only needs 2. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Announcer-methods-are-bloated-tp3461131p3461157.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 19, 2011

[Pharo-project] Announcer methods are bloated

by DougEdmunds

If Announcements are newly added to core (discussion at http://forum.world.st/Announcements-in-core-images-tc3188286.html) why not start with a trimmed down set of methods? Why start with bloat? Announcer has these two core methods: 1) subscribe:do 2) subscribe:send:to: are fine. There is no need for 3) on:do (just calls 1) 4) on:send:to: (just calls 2) 5) when:do (also justs calls 1) -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Announcer-methods-are-bloated-tp3461131p3461131.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Dale Henrichs

http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/ says it looks down as well... Dale On 04/19/2011 10:55 AM, Nicolas Petton wrote: > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 10:49 -0700, Dale Henrichs a Ã©crit : >> Nicolas, >> >> Very nice, but the site appears to be down now? I was pushing some mcz >> files up to the Metacello project ... I hope I didn't break it:) > > It works fine here. Weird. > I'll check if something strange happened. > > Nicolas >> >> Dale >> >> On 04/19/2011 09:23 AM, Nicolas Petton wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> We are happy to announce the first public demo of SmalltalkHub: >>> http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr >>> >>> You can explore SmalltalkHub at: >>> http://smalltalkhub.objectfusion.fr/explore >>> >>> This is an alpha quality demo, please use it for testing purposes only. >>> Several features that will be included in the final release are missing, >>> especially: >>> >>> - Team management >>> - Client-side scripting features >>> - Full commit lists >>> >>> Still incomplete features: >>> - the UI for cloning is incomplete, especially, the list of forks is >>> missing >>> - The issue tracker is only partly implemented >>> - Several admin tools are missing >>> - The explore page misses a few things >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Nicolas >>> >> >

April 19, 2011

Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] SmalltalkHub demo online

by Henrik Sperre Johansen

On 19.04.2011 19:57, Nicolas Petton wrote: > Le mardi 19 avril 2011 Ã 19:53 +0200, Henrik Sperre Johansen a Ã©crit : >> Slick interface and cool source browser! >> >> Though: >> - no ssh > Would you use SSH with Monticello? As with GIT? I don't have a personal user account for Monticello. For git I do, and yes, I very much want to use ssh with that. Cheers, Henry

April 19, 2011